SoTier Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 8 hours ago, FireChans said: I see a lot of “building to win now and win in the future.” I’m sitting here thinking, WTF are you people talking about? so it’s time for the great poll. The Steelers were perennial playoff teams for the last decade. Sure one or two lost seasons where the QB got hurt but overall a successful decade of football. Zero Super Bowl wins. The Eagles had a much worse decade overall. A couple playoff berths but mostly not great. A couple different HC’s, QB’s, etc. but they won the big one. PS: if you pick the Steelers, you’re an insane person. Ahem. You conveniently ignored the KC Chiefs to create a false dichotomy that's reminiscent of arguments from back in the early 2000s when conventional "wisdom" claimed that the salary cap would prevent the development of dynasties. In the last 10 years (2012-2021), the Chiefs have had 8 double digit win seasons, 8 playoff appearances, 4 conference championship appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances, a Super Bowl win ... and they are still loaded to be a force in the AFC. Over the last decade, the Chiefs not only "built for the future" but they've strategically employed the "win now" concept, too. It's the same strategy that the Pats employed to dominate the AFC and the NFL for 2 decades. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: You are a terrible troll Name one person who says they'd rather lose all four then win one Everyone who picked the Steelers in this poll. 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Your analogy has basically nothing to do with your questions. The examples in your poll are completely irrelevant to the question you ask. Your whole first sentence is completely obscure. The whole thing is somewhere between missed the point and pointless. If I just ignore whatever your point is early on and just look at the question ... for a Bills fan it has to be about Super Bowls. If you look at the last ten years, the Eagles. If you look at the last twenty years, the Steelers. Of course. But that's got nothing to do with how good the teams were and for how long. It's purely about Super Bowl wins. Awesome, we agree. It’s the Eagles 10 minutes ago, SoTier said: Ahem. You conveniently ignored the KC Chiefs to create a false dichotomy that's reminiscent of arguments from back in the early 2000s when conventional "wisdom" claimed that the salary cap would prevent the development of dynasties. In the last 10 years (2012-2021), the Chiefs have had 8 double digit win seasons, 8 playoff appearances, 4 conference championship appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances, a Super Bowl win ... and they are still loaded to be a force in the AFC. Over the last decade, the Chiefs not only "built for the future" but they've strategically employed the "win now" concept, too. It's the same strategy that the Pats employed to dominate the AFC and the NFL for 2 decades. I didn’t conveniently forget anyone. You missed the point. I’d rather win one and then kinda suck than be good and never win one. of course I’d love to be the new Pats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, FireChans said: I didn’t conveniently forget anyone. You missed the point. I’d rather win one and then kinda suck than be good and never win one. of course I’d love to be the new Pats. Ignorance is bliss. Success is NOT a black/white scenario where a team either wins the Super Bowl or fails. In order to create that black/white scenario, you rank team building philosophy as an overriding factor, and then, you cherry picked teams and time period to fit your scenario, which in your ignorance, you think represent the far ends of the team building philosophical spectrum but really don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 9 hours ago, FireChans said: I see a lot of “building to win now and win in the future.” I’m sitting here thinking, WTF are you people talking about? so it’s time for the great poll. The Steelers were perennial playoff teams for the last decade. Sure one or two lost seasons where the QB got hurt but overall a successful decade of football. Zero Super Bowl wins. The Eagles had a much worse decade overall. A couple playoff berths but mostly not great. A couple different HC’s, QB’s, etc. but they won the big one. PS: if you pick the Steelers, you’re an insane person. So....draft a future journeyman QB in the 1st round, then plow through the playoffs to a SB win with another journeyman backup QB? Sounds like a plan! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) Considering I'm not 10 years old, I'd rather be the Steelers fan (not the Steelers since most of them weren't with the team for 10 years) because I know I'm not on the team. So, responding as a fan, I would have memories of multiple Super Bowl wins going back to the Bradshaw era as well as the Roethlisberger era. Meanwhile, as an Eagle fan, I'd only have 1 Super Bowl season. Anyone who picks the Eagles is either 10 years old or is thinking like one. PS: I'm a Yankees fan & even though the Yankees haven't won a World Series since 2009, I have a lot of great memories of many world championships. So because I'm not 10 years old I'd rather be a Yankee fan than of any other team. Edited February 14, 2022 by Albany,n.y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 9 hours ago, FireChans said: so it’s time for the great poll. That’s a major reach. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Ignorance is bliss. Success is NOT a black/white scenario where a team either wins the Super Bowl or fails. In order to create that black/white scenario, you rank team building philosophy as an overriding factor, and then, you cherry picked teams and time period to fit your scenario, which in your ignorance, you think represent the far ends of the team building philosophical spectrum but really don't. I mean 50% of Bills fans who voted in this poll would rather make the playoffs a bunch than win a Super Bowl. That’s pretty incredible don’t you think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 11 hours ago, FireChans said: Fair enough. I don’t agree and I don’t understand but hey different strokes. I personally don’t care about hope if it results in no championship. Had enough of that in Bills land. But you forget the Bills have AFC east Championships which those are championships no matter what way you look at it sure i do want a SB Championship in the end but i will take what i can get until then because the prior 17 years really sucked so i'm looking at the glass half full scenario . GO BILLS !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I think the real question here is would you rather be someone who says "youse guys" or someone who says "yinz?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 11 hours ago, FireChans said: I see a lot of “building to win now and win in the future.” I’m sitting here thinking, WTF are you people talking about? so it’s time for the great poll. The Steelers were perennial playoff teams for the last decade. Sure one or two lost seasons where the QB got hurt but overall a successful decade of football. Zero Super Bowl wins. The Eagles had a much worse decade overall. A couple playoff berths but mostly not great. A couple different HC’s, QB’s, etc. but they won the big one. PS: if you pick the Steelers, you’re an insane person. So Nick Foles was their win now at all cost plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Everyone who picked the Steelers in this poll. Awesome, we agree. It’s the Eagles I didn’t conveniently forget anyone. You missed the point. I’d rather win one and then kinda suck than be good and never win one. of course I’d love to be the new Pats. The Steelers won 2 Super Bowls using a long term strategy. The Eagles won one and imploded... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Eagles. I have seen some great Bills teams and some wannabees. I survived the seventies. I survived the playoff drought. I enjoyed the years they were competitive and I love them today. I have been waiting for an NFL Championship for a long time. IF the Bills win it all next year, it will be 57 years. What is the point of the question again?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 12 hours ago, FireChans said: I see a lot of “building to win now and win in the future.” I’m sitting here thinking, WTF are you people talking about? so it’s time for the great poll. The Steelers were perennial playoff teams for the last decade. Sure one or two lost seasons where the QB got hurt but overall a successful decade of football. Zero Super Bowl wins. The Eagles had a much worse decade overall. A couple playoff berths but mostly not great. A couple different HC’s, QB’s, etc. but they won the big one. PS: if you pick the Steelers, you’re an insane person. Would I rather be like the Steelers who have won 2/3 Super Bowls in the last 17 years or the Eagles that have won 1? Is this supposed to be a hard question? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: My guess is that if the Bills would have won the SB right before the 17 year drought started (or at any time), every one of us would have been just as miserable during that period as we were without a SB win - and this board would still have the complete meltdowns it has every time a game doesn't end the way we want. I made a post on here the day after the drought ended that basically said, don't hate the drought, it is part of what makes being a sports fan so rewarding. You suffer, you suffer more than you delight. You feel every one of your team's heartbreaks and it makes those glory moments all the sweeter and all the more special. Think about how you felt when Tyler Boyd scored. Would you have felt that same level of ecstasy if the Bills had only been out of the playoffs for 3 years at that point? Of course you wouldn't. There was 17 years worth of disappointment, hurt, regret that was suddenly released in that moment. Think about how you felt humiliating the Patriots in the playoffs. Don't tell me that didn't feel sweeter because of the years of suffering at the hands of that team. The same when the Bills finally get over the hump in the playoffs, and I remain certain that they will, it will feel so much better because of the image of Diggs watching the confetti fall and because of 13 seconds. @BADOLBILZ remind us a lot on here that supporting sports teams should be fun. And he is right. And that means enjoying the disappointments if that isn't a contradiction. It doesn't mean you should want you team to be bad, or not criticize them when they are but we watch sports because they are unpredictable. The best team does not always win, more often than not you end up disappointed. But there are few things in life that match those moments when you are not. You have to enjoy the ride. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 49 minutes ago, FireChans said: I mean 50% of Bills fans who voted in this poll would rather make the playoffs a bunch than win a Super Bowl. That’s pretty incredible don’t you think The first key is to make the playoffs. Make the playiffs 10 years in a row you set yourself up to go on a run and win one 10 times. If Perine catches that 4th down pass last night I believe the talk of today is that the Rams were fools for throwing everything away for 1 year. How the investment in OBJ backfired as soon in as he got hurt. Going all in is still not guaranteed. We have seen teams do this year after year and the end result is bad more than good. You toss your future into this year and suffer a few injuries. A few bad bounces of the ball or...hey how about a few bad calls by officials....and your major investment fizzles, you are mediocre at BEST for the next few years and your miss cashing in with a guy like Josh Allen. There really should be a nice mix. Invest in the draft. Also, sign a few key guys in the offseason that fit what you do. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Neither? Both? 😆 Seriously, the Eagles didn't go "all-in" "going for broke" "boom or bust." They were trying to employ a sustainable model but it fell apart. This question should pertain to the Steelers (also Packers, Ravens, Patriots) versus the Rams approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said: Both? 😆 Seriously, the Eagles didn't go "all-in" "going for broke" "boom or bust." They were trying to employ a sustainable model but it fell apart. Agree. This is correct in fact they only started making some boom or bust type cap decisions as it began to fall apart and they were trying to sticky plaster it together. Until then the roster management was decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Both? 😆 Seriously, the Eagles didn't go "all-in" "going for broke" "boom or bust." They were trying to employ a sustainable model but it fell apart. This question should pertain to the Steelers (also Packers, Ravens, Patriots) versus the Rams approach. and the Rams have been to the SB multiple times in that span, a superior example in every way, no clue what he's thinking with the Eagles besides they won 1 and became terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 This is such a badly contrived poll/question I’m not even sure if there’s a good answer to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I made a post on here the day after the drought ended that basically said, don't hate the drought, it is part of what makes being a sports fan so rewarding. You suffer, you suffer more than you delight. You feel every one of your team's heartbreaks and it makes those glory moments all the sweeter and all the more special. Think about how you felt when Tyler Boyd scored. Would you have felt that same level of ecstasy if the Bills had only been out of the playoffs for 3 years at that point? Of course you wouldn't. There was 17 years worth of disappointment, hurt, regret that was suddenly released in that moment. Think about how you felt humiliating the Patriots in the playoffs. Don't tell me that didn't feel sweeter because of the years of suffering at the hands of that team. The same when the Bills finally get over the hump in the playoffs, and I remain certain that they will, it will feel so much better because of the image of Diggs watching the confetti fall and because of 13 seconds. @BADOLBILZ remind us a lot on here that supporting sports teams should be fun. And he is right. And that means enjoying the disappointments if that isn't a contradiction. It doesn't mean you should want you team to be bad, or not criticize them when they are but we watch sports because they are unpredictable. The best team does not always win, more often than not you end up disappointed. But there are few things in life that match those moments when you are not. You have to enjoy the ride. Well said my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, FireChans said: I mean 50% of Bills fans who voted in this poll would rather make the playoffs a bunch than win a Super Bowl. That’s pretty incredible don’t you think Your analogy is garbage since the Steelers have won multiple Super Bowls while the Bills have won none. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I made a post on here the day after the drought ended that basically said, don't hate the drought, it is part of what makes being a sports fan so rewarding. You suffer, you suffer more than you delight. You feel every one of your team's heartbreaks and it makes those glory moments all the sweeter and all the more special. Think about how you felt when Tyler Boyd scored. Would you have felt that same level of ecstasy if the Bills had only been out of the playoffs for 3 years at that point? Of course you wouldn't. There was 17 years worth of disappointment, hurt, regret that was suddenly released in that moment. Think about how you felt humiliating the Patriots in the playoffs. Don't tell me that didn't feel sweeter because of the years of suffering at the hands of that team. The same when the Bills finally get over the hump in the playoffs, and I remain certain that they will, it will feel so much better because of the image of Diggs watching the confetti fall and because of 13 seconds. @BADOLBILZ remind us a lot on here that supporting sports teams should be fun. And he is right. And that means enjoying the disappointments if that isn't a contradiction. It doesn't mean you should want you team to be bad, or not criticize them when they are but we watch sports because they are unpredictable. The best team does not always win, more often than not you end up disappointed. But there are few things in life that match those moments when you are not. You have to enjoy the ride. For us older fans, what you are describing is exactly how we felt during the Kelly era. We had endured many seasons where we were not only bad, but a laughingstock. It was an incredible feeling watching the Bills of the early 1990s after all the heartbreak we had put up with for decades. I went to all 4 Super Bowls & I felt that I deserved to go for all the past suffering. If the Bills make the Super Bowl and I'm still physically able to go, I'll be there & it will be sweet, especially if on the 5th try I see them win one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 23 hours ago, HappyDays said: No. You chose an arbitrary timeline to make your argument stronger. Also the Eagles didn't go all-in in their Super Bowl year. They built their team the normal way. I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. good point. Rams (2SB appearances and one win) v. Steelers would make more sense. 11 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: For us older fans, what you are describing is exactly how we felt during the Kelly era. We had endured many seasons where we were not only bad, but a laughingstock. It was an incredible feeling watching the Bills of the early 1990s after all the heartbreak we had put up with for decades. I went to all 4 Super Bowls & I felt that I deserved to go for all the past suffering. If the Bills make the Super Bowl and I'm still physically able to go, I'll be there & it will be sweet, especially if on the 5th try I see them win one. perhaps you should not go to the next one, Mr. Jinx 😜. I kid. 12 hours ago, FireChans said: I mean 50% of Bills fans who voted in this poll would rather make the playoffs a bunch than win a Super Bowl. That’s pretty incredible don’t you think no, if the question was would you rather win a SB or have a consistently great team that never does everyone would take the SB winning team. But the Eagles are a bad choice. It should be “win now Rams” v. Steelers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Lethal injection or the Electric chair ? I can't decide 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: Lethal injection or the Electric chair ? I can't decide Allow these fine gentlemen to advise you: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repulsif Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) based of my understanding of the question which is for me : contender for years without a title or one run one win then done It's like either everyday you would walk next to the best bakery in town, seeing all these things, hoping, and everyday your mom next to you says "not today darling", and everyday is "not today". By the time passes you start to consider it will never be "today". Probably because you heard some day your familly isn't rich enough to buy you a cake or you are offered a cake, once, then you never see again the bakery One of the option is torture/sadomasochism Of course it would be great if you could see the bakery everday and have one cake from time to time. But let's go back into reality Honestly, some of you are crazy Edited February 15, 2022 by Repulsif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/13/2022 at 11:07 PM, FireChans said: I see a lot of “building to win now and win in the future.” I’m sitting here thinking, WTF are you people talking about? so it’s time for the great poll. The Steelers were perennial playoff teams for the last decade. Sure one or two lost seasons where the QB got hurt but overall a successful decade of football. Zero Super Bowl wins. The Eagles had a much worse decade overall. A couple playoff berths but mostly not great. A couple different HC’s, QB’s, etc. but they won the big one. PS: if you pick the Steelers, you’re an insane person. Give me the Lombardi. kick cans down the road I don’t care if I have a year like Saints are about to coming up to reset as long as their is at least one Lombardi at OBD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 The question should be rephrased to “Where” would you rather be? not “Who” would you rather be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 If cheering for my team meant I had to cheer for Roethlisberger or Brady, I would have switched to college ball. I can't cheer for slimenuggets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/13/2022 at 6:52 PM, HappyDays said: No. You chose an arbitrary timeline to make your argument stronger. Also the Eagles didn't go all-in in their Super Bowl year. They built their team the normal way. I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. Does he ever make a point? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/13/2022 at 11:19 PM, FireChans said: Answer the question as asked. make me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Either one would be better than the Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Why be a foundry worker working in some sweat box breathing in iron dust and chemical welding smoke when you can soar over the Rockies and dominate as a predator nobody messes with? Oh! Team wise? Neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 Looking a lot like the Steelers getting picked apart by Brady and Manning in the postseason for a decade. 6 more years to go. Would anyone like to change their answer to the Rams or Eagles or does "11 wins and a playoff exit" still scream excellence to TBD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Looking a lot like the Steelers getting picked apart by Brady and Manning in the postseason for a decade. 6 more years to go. Would anyone like to change their answer to the Rams or Eagles or does "11 wins and a playoff exit" still scream excellence to TBD? Obviously I take the SB win. As for the Iggles you can add that they’re still playing this season. It’s worth noting that the Bills really went for it with the Von Miller signing. Them taking that risk ended up hurting the team, but it did show their commitment to getting the championship. Now if they could just shift focus to doing something like that on offense……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 The more fitting comparison has to be the Rams who won the Super Bowl but completely crashed and burned this year. Would you take that one win if the very next season you didn’t even have a winning record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Obviously I take the SB win. As for the Iggles you can add that they’re still playing this season. It’s worth noting that the Bills really went for it with the Von Miller signing. Them taking that risk ended up hurting the team, but it did show their commitment to getting the championship. Now if they could just shift focus to doing something like that on offense……. Exactly, now is the time to be bold. Not win another 12 games next year and get our teeth kicked in again. 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The more fitting comparison has to be the Rams who won the Super Bowl but completely crashed and burned this year. Would you take that one win if the very next season you didn’t even have a winning record? 100x yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Get a Lombardi, just one, at any cost. Then worry about more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Exactly, now is the time to be bold. Not win another 12 games next year and get our teeth kicked in again. 100x yes. I think I’m with you there. The years go by, and start to add up. The drought now seems like a distant memory. But what has the team accomplished? They’ve made a lot of noise in the regular season and generated a lot of national attention and good will….but…I think that’s going to quickly turn into “not the Bills, again….yawn”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) On 2/14/2022 at 11:16 PM, RyanC883 said: good point. Rams (2SB appearances and one win) v. Steelers would make more sense. perhaps you should not go to the next one, Mr. Jinx 😜. I kid. no, if the question was would you rather win a SB or have a consistently great team that never does everyone would take the SB winning team. But the Eagles are a bad choice. It should be “win now Rams” v. Steelers. I agree, the Eagles aren’t a great example, because they’ve been better the last ten years than people give them credit for. It’s not like they’re in the championship talk every year, but they’ve mostly had winning seasons. Edited January 28, 2023 by SirAndrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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