Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Trogdor said:

He really only needs to get to discovery. If Washington is any indicator, they don't want what could be there out. The NFL owners are insulated somewhat with the Comish and GMs, but every scandal you find out there is a lot of stuff going on. The Kap lawsuit did damage as well. 

And Kaep got real money. There's obviously an NDA so we don't know for sure, but Kaep reportedly something a bit under $10 million. Chump change in a league where Chase Daniel makes that much in a season, but still ...

[BidsJr]

5 minutes ago, Rico said:

I think it could be more about due diligence than complying to a rule. Just because Daboll looked like a lock doesn’t mean that Flores couldn’t have knocked them out in the interview and stolen the job away.

 

Haha.  Knocked them out and stolen the job.  IDK if that was inadvertent or not, but.......   LOL

[wppete]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

While I can't agree with a lot of this, you do have a point: two of the teams he calls out (Denver and Miami) are, of course, two of a very small number of teams that have actually hired black head coaches in the last 5 years ....

Exactly. It really is insane. There is lot of this going on in the corporate world and seems like businesses are fighting back to these accusations. 

[kota]

So an assistant director of pro personal reached out to Flores before Joe Judge and the GM were fired asking if he was interested.  This guy wasn't elevated to GM.   This seems strange to me so anything he says about DAboll vs. McD is suspect at best. 

We have been subjected to so called insiders for days saying that it was a done deal, Dorsey to Giants as OC.

I don't doubt the claims by Flores especially if he is providing texts, etc...  Just goes to show how ***** up the Giants organization is.

 

[BuffaloRebound]

It’s a joke that there’s only 1 black head coach in the NFL.  The Rooney Rule clearly ain’t working and is just creating more problems with the appearance of sham interviews.  NFL has a race problem when it comes to hiring coaches but Rooney Rule seems to be making it worse.  

[notwoz]

2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

How long until we get sued for the two sham interviews we did for OC

"we"? Are you employed by the Bills?

 

[ToGoGo]

33 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

We’re going to get dangerously close into politics so I’ll leave it at this, I don’t believe that black people are not inferior in any way, I also don’t think there are people out to keep them from coaching. The Rooney rule is ridiculous to me for that reason. Treat them like your equals not inferiors. 
 

 

 

 

You should listen to Thomas Sowell. Brilliant man. Black man, for those who care.

 

He believes affirmative action leads to hiring unqualified people who struggle working above their pay grade. That it doesn't actually help anything and only looks good for the politicians who then refuse to take any blame. He calls them "self-annointed". 

 

He also believes that it affirmative action has a sub-text of treating minorities like they are inferior and need to be coddled. 

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

There’s a text from Belichick in the affidavit.

 

 

 

If any of this is true, especially being incentives to throw games that makes Miami look real bad.  The fact BB sent him a text 3 days before his interview that the Giants were hiring him makes the Giants look bad, and perhaps in violation of the Rooney rule?
 

Denver? So being hung over and unprofessional isn’t illegal and his own complaint doesn’t say they dismissed him out of hand.

 

this all said none of this is illegal, there is NO law stating you have to hire anyone for  reason or even interview in good faith. I have gone on more than one interview where they already decided on an internal person to fill the job.  

[Big Blitz]

He did this on Brady's day 

 

 

All I need to know about this guy

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

If Flores was so upset about the 100K tanking offer and the supposed yacht meeting with Brady, why did he not resign at either time and alert the NFL ? 

 

I have no idea if the claims Flores made are true. They may be. I am a little skeptical and I would like to hear his answers to a couple of questions:

 

1. You claim Ross offered you bribes to lose games on purpose and asked you to violate tampering rules. You also claimed you had enough backbone to stand up to him and refuse to comply. Those things happened 3 years ago. If you had the strength to stand up to Ross and flatly refuse, why did you not feel strongly enough to come forward then, or when you got fired - rather than now, when you did not get the job you wanted.

 

2. You have been employed by the NFL for 18 years. You have been promoted through the coaching ranks throughout those 18 years up through the coaching ranks. You eventually obtained the top coaching position, head coach, which you held for 3 years. Did you believe the NFL was a systemically racist organization during that entire time? If so, why did you not speak out in any way during your coaching career, or even when you got fired - rather than doing so only now after not getting the job you wanted.

 

He may have some very good answers to those questions, I don't know. I would like to hear them.

[RyanC883]

the lawsuit against the Dolphins might have merit.  The one against the Giants is a joke.  If Flores feels he didn't get a "real" interview he should blame the "Rooney rule."  Clearly Daboll was going to get that job.  Let's see, young QB that has tools similar to Josh Allen.  Sorry, Daboll was the most qualified.   

[ToGoGo]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

It hurts the Dolphins severely, to the point they may need to get a new owner. I don’t see how it hurts the Bills at all. 

 

The McD/Daboll thing is a distraction now. Schoen and Daboll are ex-Bills. The toxicity is on us a bit. Bills are a part of this story. 

[harryS]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

He's pulling his 'Kaepernick' move and the timing couldn't be more perfect as today is the beginning of black history month.

 

He'll never coach in the NFL again but is likely going to become a multimillionaire in the process anyway just like Kaepernick did.

 

This is a very bad take.  Kaepernick clearly had the support of the ruling class, of which Ross is a member.  Here, publicly going against Ross and exposing Ross' misconduct will certainly not enrich Flores.  The ruling class will view this as a black man biting that hand that feeds him.

 

 

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

I'm sure that all of this is nothing new. As someone mentioned above, Frazer interviewed with the NYG after Daboll too. But because Flores realized that he's not getting another HC job because of all the stuff that Ross and the Dolphins' GM is spreading around the league about him being difficult to work with, he decided to torch all the bridges to get one final NFL payday before going to college. That's my speculation. 

 

I think that's exactly right.  All the "Flores just ended his career" takes ignore that Ross was already doing that.  Flores must've felt that he had close to nothing to lose.

 

Look, usually I'm as "racist" as they come, but I have to admire what Flores is doing here.  Instead of going meekly into the night, he's taking some swings and trying to bring people down with him.   That the Dolphins might suffer at his hands is a very nice bonus.

[Rico]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

College isn't bringing him in. If he interviews and doesn't get it I wouldn't risk the lawsuit if I was the AD.

Whaley may have a job for him in the XFL.

[Matt_In_NH]

How would a “Rooney rule” lead to anything else?  There have been these sham interviews for years, it was obvious.     One black head coach does seem like an issue.  

[RyanC883]

16 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Either a remarkably well-timed piece, or the writer had been talking to Flores or his counsel - this ran yesterday:

 

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/will-nfl-be-sued-race-discrimination-against-black-coaches

 

A Fortune 500 company with the same hiring practices as many NFL teams would almost certainly already have had multiple major lawsuits against it under anti-discrimination laws such as Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. This begs the question then of what a potential race discrimination/glass ceiling case against an NFL team would look like.

Note: While a lawsuit against the entire NFL could be considered, a legal claim against an individual NFL team, as opposed to the league, is covered in this article.

 

This one was a head scratcher - am I forgetting about a black Bills coach, other than on an interim basis? I mean, Anthony Lynn counts? Perry Fewell?

 

And certain NFL teams have never hired a Black NFL coach. According to a study by USA Today, six NFL Teams have never hired a Black candidate (or any person of color) as their head coach or general manager on a full-time basis: the Atlanta Falcons, Dallas Cowboys, Jacksonville Jaguars, Los Angeles Rams, New England Patriot, New Orleans Saints, and Tennessee Titans

 

ridiculous article written by a plaintiff's firm trying to get attention.  There is no merit to anything in that article or Flores case.  The idea that NFL teams who are trying to win a Championship would hire African-Americans, etc. for every other position but coach is patently laughable. 

[Matt_In_NH]

The 100k per loss……that seems like an issue?

[Augie]

1 minute ago, ToGoGo said:

 

The McD/Daboll thing is a distraction now. Schoen and Daboll are ex-Bills. The toxicity is on us a bit. Bills are a part of this story. 

 

Not the way I see it. AT ALL. “Ex-Bills” is the key there. No stain on the Buffalo Bills. The Dolphins, Giants and even Belichick are part of the story. We are not. 

[CorkScrewHill]

22 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

They already interviews Leslie.  Flores wasn't even needed as a Rooney rule interview.

That is a great point

[Rico]

9 minutes ago, BidsJr said:

 

Haha.  Knocked them out and stolen the job.  IDK if that was inadvertent or not, but.......   LOL

Not intended that way! 

[Matt_In_NH]

24 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

If Flores was so upset about the 100K tanking offer and the supposed yacht meeting with Brady, why did he not resign at either time and alert the NFL ? 

Probably because he had a good financial deal and wanted to coach in the nfl even if the owner was a clown.  He ignored him and made did his thing.  He maintains HiS integrity

[HalftimeAdjustment]

24 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

True. That’s what you get when an EEO type lawsuit is filed - all your dirty laundry, relevant or not, is going to be aired. if nothing else it compels a settlement. 
 

 

Well, that may be. But his case is also undermined by the fact that the Dolphins did, in fact, hire him.

 

I read his statement about systemic racism etc and it does seem strange that he filed now before the end of the hiring cycle. If he got hired at HOU or NO... sure, he would not be blowing the whistle on things. But couldn't he use that position to hire a minority coordinator? Couldn't he lead by example, if he wins won't that also potentially help level the playing field for other minority coaches? Instead he takes what may be a very legitimate beef with MIA and drags the Giants and Broncos into it. Feels like the wrong strategy to me.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, WMDman said:

wow terrible look for the NFL

 

terrible look for Flores (who I think is a good coach, btw), really.  Looks like a total crybaby.  His accusations against the Dolphins are also suspect since he is only raising them once he was fired.  

Edited February 1, 2022 by RyanC883

[HalftimeAdjustment]

2 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

That is a great point

 

They need 2 for a HC.

[Sharky7337]

2 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

take em all down flores. expose these the nfl for what it is.

For employing a higher percentage of African Americans then white people? Lol

 

You realize the majority of players are black. ( multi millionaires)

 

If coaches need to be a better ratio so do players. Lets make a rule to fix that imbalance too then.

 

Either way of a team thinks the guy is gonna win the superbowl, it won't matter is he's painted purple. 

Edited February 1, 2022 by Sharky7337

[Seventeen]

How did Belichick know Daboll was the man for the Giants ? Mara call him for a reference ? 

[RiotAct]

53 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I don't know. Nothing has really cleared it up who it was. 

 

Hence the fake name.   Did you think I meant someone else?😉

it could have been ANYBODY.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Roy Hobbs said:

How did Belichick know Daboll was the man for the Giants ? Mara call him for a reference ? 

Agents chatter I would guess.

[BananaB]

1 minute ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

They need 2 for a HC.

They interviewed 3

[oldmanfan]

Guy has guts, got to give him that.  I just watched Ryan Clark and Damian Woody on ESPN and they have had it with what’s going on.  At some point it would not surprise me if African-American players walk out.

[MJS]

Flores comes across as a big baby to me. Boo hoo, you didn't get the job. Everyone must be racist. Teams are required to interview minorites, which is what you are Flores. What did you expect with such rules in place?

 

The Bills didn't even want to interview anyone and just wanted to promote from within, but they were forced to go out and perform 2 sham interviews. Does that make them racist? No, they are just following the rules, just like the Giants were. It's what you have to do if you happen to want to hire a white guy in the NFL. If you happen to want to hire a black guy, you STILL have to go out and interview another minority because the rules require two minority interviews now. Just insane logic and stupid that anyone would think this rule is effective at all.

 

Every organization is going to view certain candidates as frontrunners for the job, which is what Daboll was. Bill Belichick heard Daboll was the frontrunner and texted to congratulate him, but had a senior moment. But the Giants had more interviews to tie up before they gave the job to their frontrunner candidate.

 

Although, the Dolphins owner paying him to lose? THAT is the real story here. Just crazy. The NFL is NOT going to like that.

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Guy has guts, got to give him that.  I just watched Ryan Clark and Damian Woody on ESPN and they have had it with what’s going on.  At some point it would not surprise me if African-American players walk out.

 

I think he has got a lot of guts too.. 

 

Im not convinced that he will never get another HC coaching job in the NFL... he would be an inspiration to a lot of players ...

[HalftimeAdjustment]

2 minutes ago, BananaB said:

They interviewed 3

 

I'm just going to assume they actually wanted a sizable candidate pool before making such an impactful decision.

[WotAGuy]

Aren’t Flores’ claims of racism in hiring practices diminished by the fact he has already been hired as a head coach under that same system?  
 

I wonder if the racism claim is just window dressing for his intent to take down Ross by making claims of payment for losses and tampering with players, which have nothing to do with racism. 

[Coach Tuesday]

The Giants’ entire defense should just be Daboll’s offense’s record against Flores’s defense, no?

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

They need 2 for a HC.

Patrick Graham and Flores interview 1. 
 

 

[Chaos]

8 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Probably because he had a good financial deal and wanted to coach in the nfl even if the owner was a clown.  He ignored him and made did his thing.  He maintains HiS integrity

huh. He maintained integrity by making sure he got his?

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

Well, that may be. But his case is also undermined by the fact that the Dolphins did, in fact, hire him.

 

I read his statement about systemic racism etc and it does seem strange that he filed now before the end of the hiring cycle. If he got hired at HOU or NO... sure, he would not be blowing the whistle on things. But couldn't he use that position to hire a minority coordinator? Couldn't he lead by example, if he wins won't that also potentially help level the playing field for other minority coaches? Instead he takes what may be a very legitimate beef with MIA and drags the Giants and Broncos into it. Feels like the wrong strategy to me.

Seems the Dolphins issue is about ethics and character. If he was so principled he should have quit at that time. But that part of the suit has ethical merit. 

With respect to the Giants and Broncos he was a 24-25 HC at the age of 40. Each of the OC’s have high value based on strong  performance of offenses and QB’s- a huge trend in the NFL. Conversely he has struggled on that side of the ball. First in agreeing to select Tua over Herbert. Not being able to develop his agreed upon QB, and an inability to find the right OC to build continuity. By backstabbing Belli it doesn’t prove anything. Other black coaches had been interviewed. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

I think he has got a lot of guts too.. 

 

Im not convinced that he will never get another HC coaching job in the NFL... he would be an inspiration to a lot of players ...

Oh I don’t think he ever gets another NFL job.  That’s why it took a lot of guts.

[Rico]

1 hour ago, 947 said:

The Rooney Rule by definition forces teams to put a list together of the best "black candidates", separate from the "best candidates". And unless one of their top-3 guys is black, it will always result in a fake interview to satisfy the rule. The rule was never going to work. I wonder what happens when a black candidate asks in the interview "is this interview just to satisfy the Rooney Rule?". Teams obviously can't admit it, but both parties know that often times it is exactly that.

 

Frazier hasn't been looked over because of his skin color, it's because he wasn't good in previous HC experience, and his defensive philosophy is considered old school or antiquated by many.

 

Bienemy was a hot name for a while, but he reportedly has interviewed poorly when given a shot, and teams are wary of his actual involvement in Reid's offense. Nobody is passing on him based on race.

Worked fine for Mike Tomlin, I don’t think anyone predicted he’d get the Steelers job but he crushed the interviews.