Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[Malazan]

2 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said:

That $100K incentive per loss is amazing.  They should lose the team.

 

If it's true. To be clear, there is zero evidence this actually happened right now. 

[zow2]

This sure sucked the oxygen out of the Tom Brady- retirement story today.  

[wppete]

I suggest NE fire Bill Bilichick and give his job to Flores 😂. What insanity. People have had it with this stuff….. I believe Flores never coaches another down again. CFL time, maybe. 

[WotAGuy]

52 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

 

Thought I might save everyone some time reading. Here's the link to the complaint in case anyone is interested: https://www.wigdorlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Complaint-against-National-Football-League-et-al-Filed.pdf

 

Thanks, but I’ll wait for Chaos’ analysis 🥴

[RobbRiddick]

1 minute ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

I guess I am unclear on the specifics of his case. Offering him money to lose is terrible. But is it evidence of racial discrimination or just terrible behavior by Ross? Like, is there reason to believe he would not have offered $100k/loss to (insert white coach)?

 

And he's already being held up as a hero for exposing this. Why didn't he quit the moment Ross offered him such a deal? Would he have come out and talked about this if Ross extended his contract?

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

I guess I am unclear on the specifics of his case. Offering him money to lose is terrible. But is it evidence of racial discrimination or just terrible behavior by Ross? Like, is there reason to believe he would not have offered $100k/loss to (insert white coach)?

True. That’s what you get when an EEO type lawsuit is filed - all your dirty laundry, relevant or not, is going to be aired. if nothing else it compels a settlement. 
 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

FOOTNOTE 30:

 

"Ironically, during their January 11, 2022 text exchange, Mr. McDonnell also suggested that if Mr. Flores were hired as the Giants Head Coach, Brian Daboll might be interested in leaving Buffalo to serve as his Offensive Coordinator (“Heard Daboll isn’t happy with Sean [McDermott] in Buffalo . . . might be able to get out if he doesn’t get a head job... thoughts?”)."

 

😱

The benching of McK.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

I suggest NE fire Bill Bilichick and give his job to Flores 😂. What insanity. People have had it with this stuff….. I believe Flores never coaches another down again. CFL time, maybe. 

Or college. 

[HamSandwhich]

11 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

So don't get into politics and make it about the NFL and the rules they put in place.  That's all fair game.

I disagree with the rooney rule, the end.

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

I guess I am unclear on the specifics of his case. Offering him money to lose is terrible. But is it evidence of racial discrimination or just terrible behavior by Ross? Like, is there reason to believe he would not have offered $100k/loss to (insert white coach)?

It's filed under the same complaint but appears to be two or more separate issues that he is pointing out.

 

Owner paying him to lose

Owner setting up secret meetings with FA QB

Owner poisoning people against him because he didn't do what he wanted

Rooney rule interview when BB said they already had their guy in NJ

 

I'm sure there is more but I'm not gonna read it all.  I'm not a lawyer.

[nedboy7]

7 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said:

That $100K incentive per loss is amazing.  They should lose the team.

 

Not sure how you ask a proud coach and players to lose a game for draft position. 

I am pretty sure Flores has enough money.  He also has integrity.  F the Dolphins and Ross. 

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by nedboy7

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

Thank God, we did not get involved with Flores because The Bills would be getting sued and Schope and Bull-dog would have a field day with this.

[Seventeen]

If Flores was so upset about the 100K tanking offer and the supposed yacht meeting with Brady, why did he not resign at either time and alert the NFL ? 

[Reed83HOF]

m not searching through 19 pages,  so just in case I apologize for a duplicate post...

 

One would think this could be a big issue 

 

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[TheFunPolice]

Keep in mind: Flores needs to prove his claims. The accused don't have to prove anything. But they will strike back and poke holes in everything he says. 

 

He's dragging a lot of people into this mess with him, which (ironically) goes to support the point Ross made about him not being able to get along with people in the building and therefore needing to be let go. 

 

McDermott: so now he is driving away coaches? what's the point of that assertion about Daboll, exactly? McD stayed with the Bills because of his race, while Flores was fired from the Dolphins because of his, when they both are impossible to get along with? That's amateur hour lawyering, if so. Different teams, different management, just for starters. It's not a 1:1 situation. 

 

Schoen: So now his character is being called into question, as he is essentially being called a racist only 2 weeks into his new job. 

 

Belichick: His senior moment text is now going to drag him in. How did Bill have any inside knowledge? So the ex Bills executive told Bill who he was going to hire? Bill can just say he heard the reports that Daboll was the favorite for the job like we all did. Were any of us shocked when he went to NJ? Aren't there "sindiers" reporting on this stuff day and night? Bill can just say he was going on news reports and then there is ZERO proof that the Giants interview process was a sham. 

 

Also, having a lead candidate (if that's what happened) but casting a wide net and interviewing a larger group, but then ultimately coming back to that same lead candidate in the end is not a sham at all. Happens all the time and it's completely defensible. What if your lead person turns you down? You need to be able to quickly pivot, thus going through the process. 

 

Elway: so he is a drunk who is also a racist and totally unprofessional. Nice. 

 

Ross: Ross said Flores had issues getting along with people. Does any of this make him seem wrong? 

[OZBILLS]

Just now, Roy Hobbs said:

If Flores was so upset about the 100K tanking offer and the supposed yacht meeting with Brady, why did he not resign at either time and alert the NFL ? 

 

He wanted to try winning. He is a competitor. 

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said:

I disagree with the rooney rule, the end.

As do I.  It served a purpose at one point but every team knows how to get around it if they want to and it's wasting time because they team is going to do what they want.

[CoudyBills]

11 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

So while rightfully ticked .. this is not about race. It is about the thing that drives hirings in the NFL .. personal relationships. Mara may well have been interested in Flores on January 11, but then he hired his GM .. the GM did what seemingly most new GMs do .. they bring in somebody they know who they feel they can work with.  I have seen this in the workplace .. we are going to hire Sally but we need to interview 3 candidates to satisfy a rule by HR, so two people get interviewed when the hiring manager has no intention of offering them the job.

 

The NFL does have a nepotism / friend problem, how many Ryan's, Shanahan's, Shula's, Belichick's, Reid's ... have gotten into coaching and then their friends, who are in their circles (and friend groups often look like the person) get opportunities .... so I am not saying that black coaches have a harder time .. they do, but not because of their skin  .. but because of the relationships.  This I suspect will change over time and the Rooney rule I think has helped

 

Bottom-line the owner of the Dolphins didn't fire Flores because of his skin color, he fired him because the relationship wasn't working for the owner  and he had an under .500 winning percentage over three years (I am just guessing if he had taken the team to the playoffs this year .. he would still be the coach). The Giants didn't hire Daboll because he is white and Flores is black.. they hired Daboll because Schoen was comfortable with him based on their working relationship .. and they were only going to interview Flores to avoid a penalty from the league.

 

They already interviews Leslie.  Flores wasn't even needed as a Rooney rule interview.

[KDIGGZ]

The Giants hired the Bills Asst GM (who has absolutely no ties to Brian Flores).  And then the Bills Asst GM hires the Bills OC.  Wow, shocker.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were already decided on Daboll and that's why they went with Schoen.  They want to be the Bills and they want Daniel Jones to be Allen, who wouldn't?  Flores should have saved his race card and not used it up on this one.  Just because a new GM brings in his guy doesn't mean it has anything to do with racism.  It was the Bills package deal they were looking for.

[HamSandwhich]

Just now, CoudyBills said:

They already interviews Leslie.  Flores wasn't even needed as a Rooney rule interview.

Good point, that’s damming for his case

[jlgarsh]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

Anyone with any common sense knew this would happen eventually.  The NFL screwed the pooch by putting the Rooney Rule in place to start with.    You dont fight racism but putting a rule in place that judges someones interview worthiness by the color of their skin.  The racist and unfair NFL with 75% minority employment.  

What percentage of head coaches and GMs are minorities? Agree with the rule or not, it has led to some coaches and executives getting their names out there, and getting jobs down the line. I interviewed hundreds of people for promotions in a previous career, and occasionally the person you thought was the probably best fit before you started, definitely isn't once you sit down and meet with everyone. It's a good learning experience for the interviewer, and you tend to get more perspectives when you interview from a diverse pool of candidates, as long as they take the process seriously. Look at the Bills with Dorsey. Yes, he was an internal promotion. But they still interviewed other people, and had a backup plan if he decided to follow Daboll to the Giants. The problem comes if/when the entire thing is just a sham.

[The Frankish Reich]

Either a remarkably well-timed piece, or the writer had been talking to Flores or his counsel - this ran yesterday:

 

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/will-nfl-be-sued-race-discrimination-against-black-coaches

 

A Fortune 500 company with the same hiring practices as many NFL teams would almost certainly already have had multiple major lawsuits against it under anti-discrimination laws such as Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. This begs the question then of what a potential race discrimination/glass ceiling case against an NFL team would look like.

Note: While a lawsuit against the entire NFL could be considered, a legal claim against an individual NFL team, as opposed to the league, is covered in this article.

 

This one was a head scratcher - am I forgetting about a black Bills coach, other than on an interim basis? I mean, Anthony Lynn counts? Perry Fewell?

 

And certain NFL teams have never hired a Black NFL coach. According to a study by USA Today, six NFL Teams have never hired a Black candidate (or any person of color) as their head coach or general manager on a full-time basis: the Atlanta Falcons, Dallas Cowboys, Jacksonville Jaguars, Los Angeles Rams, New England Patriot, New Orleans Saints, and Tennessee Titans

[Augie]

2 hours ago, teef said:

holy smokes!

 

This could get spicy! 

 

I thought he got a raw deal in Miami. It also sounds like he’s got a fairly solid case if he can prove the allegations. An owner paying a coach to lose sounds like they need a new owner down there. Hard to escape that unscathed!  A different twist on the Donald Sterling situation. 

 

My favorite part is Belichick getting the wrong Brian to text! How priceless is THAT? You slipping old man? Bet you wish you could have a do-over because you added to one giant stink! 

[wppete]

I’m happy to read in Flores statement that he knows this will risk his future in the game. He’s done. This is insane. Everyone is racist to him. Miami Dolphins the team that hired him for 3 years as a head coach is racist. Denver and Miami who considered him as a head coach and Interviewed him are racist. Complete insanity. People won’t stand for this stuff anymore. I wonder who else he will accuse next. 

[Bill from NYC]

10 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

If it's true. To be clear, there is zero evidence this actually happened right now. 

It would seem that way, unless he taped him.

[Seventeen]

3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

The Giants hired the Bills Asst GM (who has absolutely no ties to Brian Flores).  And then the Bills Asst GM hires the Bills OC.  Wow, shocker.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were already decided on Daboll and that's why they went with Schoen.  They want to be the Bills and they want Daniel Jones to be Allen, who wouldn't?  Flores should have saved his race card and not used it up on this one.  Just because a new GM brings in his guy doesn't mean it has anything to do with racism.  It was the Bills package deal they were looking for.

 

Will be interesting to see if the teams with vacant HC positions still consider him

[TheFunPolice]

So now all of these people will need to defend their reputations and names...

 

Suddenly Leslie Frazier is going to be called out. Was your interview with NJ a sham in your view?

Elway: Are you really a drunk racist?

Brady: You met with the Dolphins while under contract with NE?

McD: Are you really a total tool who nobody likes?

Schoen: Are you really a racist?

 

Giants owners have a very good reputation in league circles. That won't go over well. 

[wppete]

8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Or college. 

I can’t see any legitimate colleges hiring this headcase. Don’t see it. 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Exactly. It could be as simple as “

Daboll really wowed everyone in the interview and we think he’s a perfect fit! We still have to interview another candidate to comply x rule” Can’t tell me a decision isn’t already made in 99% of situations. The last interviewed isn’t necessarily getting the job. The league rule said they had to do one more , so they did. 

I think it could be more about due diligence than complying to a rule. Just because Daboll looked like a lock doesn’t mean that Flores couldn’t have knocked them out in the interview and stolen the job away.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

I’m happy to read in Flores statement that he knows this will risk his future in the game. He’s done. This is insane. Everyone is racist to him. Miami Dolphins the team that hired him for 3 years as a head coach is racist. Denver and Miami who considered him as a head coach and Interviewed him are racist. Complete insanity. People won’t stand for this stuff anymore. I wonder who else he will accuse next. 

While I can't agree with a lot of this, you do have a point: two of the teams he calls out (Denver and Miami) are, of course, two of a very small number of teams that have actually hired black head coaches in the last 5 years ....

[ToGoGo]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

This could get spicy! 

 

I thought he got a raw deal in Miami. It also sounds like he’s got a fairly solid case if he can prove the allegations. An owner paying a coach to lose sounds like they need a new owner down there. Hard to escape that unscathed!  A different twist on the Donald Sterling situation. 

 

My favorite part is Belichick getting the wrong Brian to text! How priceless is THAT? You slipping old man? Bet you wish you could have a do-over because you added to one giant stink! 

 

I suspect Belichick didn't make a mistake. This toxic disaster hurts the Bills and Dolphins (his biggest rivals) much more than the Pats. 

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

So now all of these people will need to defend their reputations and names...

 

Suddenly Leslie Frazier is going to be called out. Was your interview with NJ a sham in your view?

Elway: Are you really a drunk racist?

Brady: You met with the Dolphins while under contract with NE?

McD: Are you really a total tool who nobody likes?

Schoen: Are you really a racist?

 

Giants owners have a very good reputation in league circles. That won't go over well. 

NFL:

[TheFunPolice]

Sometimes, people are just impossible to get along with and have real issues working with others. 

 

Many of these allegations read like dirty laundry that is impossible to prove. 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

The Giants hired the Bills Asst GM (who has absolutely no ties to Brian Flores).  And then the Bills Asst GM hires the Bills OC.  Wow, shocker.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were already decided on Daboll and that's why they went with Schoen.  They want to be the Bills and they want Daniel Jones to be Allen, who wouldn't?  Flores should have saved his race card and not used it up on this one.  Just because a new GM brings in his guy doesn't mean it has anything to do with racism.  It was the Bills package deal they were looking for.

 

We had a friend who sued her employer, one of the biggest banks in the country. They have very deep pockets, and all the time in the world. It did not end well for her. It didn’t matter if she might have been right, it was career suicide.

 

Playing the race card sounds iffy because the Bills connection makes it easy to see coming. Not sure I would have gone there unless there is more I don’t know (which I’m sure IS the case, but still). 

[JoPoy88]

9 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

They already interviews Leslie.  Flores wasn't even needed as a Rooney rule interview.

They have to interview two external minority candidates for a HC opening though.

[Trogdor]

7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Keep in mind: Flores needs to prove his claims. The accused don't have to prove anything. But they will strike back and poke holes in everything he says. 

 

He really only needs to get to discovery. If Washington is any indicator, they don't want what could be there out. The NFL owners are insulated somewhat with the Comish and GMs, but every scandal you find out there is a lot of stuff going on. The Kap lawsuit did damage as well. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, ToGoGo said:

 

I suspect Belichick didn't make a mistake. This toxic disaster hurts the Bills and Dolphins (his biggest rivals) much more than the Pats. 

 

It hurts the Dolphins severely, to the point they may need to get a new owner. I don’t see how it hurts the Bills at all. 

[The Wiz]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

Sometimes, people are just impossible to get along with and have real issues working with others. 

 

Many of these allegations read like dirty laundry that is impossible to prove. 

Not impossible to prove but unless Flores kept a recording of every meeting with Ross and whoever else it will be hard.  Unless he has bank statements of 100k increments that were deposited to him.

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

They have to interview two external minority candidates for a HC opening though.

Only if the other person they are interviewing is from within and not a minority.

 

Daboll was external.

[MJS]

Well, since teams are required to interview minority candidates, sham interviews are going to happen. It's the rule.

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

He really only needs to get to discovery. If Washington is any indicator, they don't want what could be there out. The NFL owners are insulated somewhat with the Comish and GMs, but every scandal you find out there is a lot of stuff going on. The Kap lawsuit did damage as well. 

Dolphins owner Stephen Ross may well find himself on the outside here, being forced to sell the team.  Depends on how it plays out.

 

Lots of people are going to get dragged through the mud, and rightly so!