Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[Reed83HOF]

 

 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

4 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

In my opinion frazier hasn't been hired because of his personality. Its too quiet too relaxed too calm for a lot of peoples stereotypical coach. Kind of similar to people questioning mike McDaniel being a legit head coach 

 

I personally think its stupid

 

Maybe age too? Frazier will be 63 in April. I did think he would get more of a look this off season.

 

Just read the NFL story and a bunch of Tweets/ Social Media. Wow Flores went full nuclear.

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, harryS said:

 

We can all agree that the 58% doesn't mean there is pro-black racism or anti-white racism in hiring NFL players, right?  There are probably advantages -- whether genetic or cultural or both -- for blacks to be better athletes.  For that matter, asians are very underrepresented in the NFL.  Again, we are mature enough to understand that there are probably genetic or cultural reasons for the lack of asian players, not incredible anti-asian racism.

You can figure out where I'm going with this.

Thanks yes I know where you’re going with that so you can stop now.

[PolishPrince]

36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You are getting confused............Flores is the local NYC guy not Daboll..........Flores is from Brooklyn.   Buffalo is like 380 miles from the Meadowlands.   Pittsburgh is closer.

 

And Flores has had back to back winning seasons as an NFL HC.........just finished last season 8-1 over the last 9.    Daboll has been fired 3x as an NFL OC and never been a HC at any level.

 

On paper.........it's no contest who is the more "deserving candidate".

 

It simply comes down to the GM hiring who he's most comfortable with.     Which is reality and everyone knows that this is usually how it works,  regardless of race.   But when some f*cking HC on another team,  who is also white,  knows who the HC of the Giants is going to be before they've even had interviews that is a really, really bad look...........even if it ultimately is just a longtime friend in Mara consulting with Belichick.    It just looks like:

 

 

I just want to make it clear I never said Daboll was more qualified than Flores. Hell as sucky as it is this situation, I’m selfishly glad he’s out of Miami he had me worried they were going to be a powerhouse soon. 
 

im saying like you mentioned before hand. Daboll was a hot candidate (so it’s not some random head scratcher) I’d still call decently local compared to others…. But most importantly once the bills assistant GM was hired, at least in my opinion it was pretty clear Daboll would be going there too…

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, PolishPrince said:

I just want to make it clear I never said Daboll was more qualified than Flores. Hell as sucky as it is this situation, I’m selfishly glad he’s out of Miami he had me worried they were going to be a powerhouse soon. 
 

im saying like you mentioned before hand. Daboll was a hot candidate (so it’s not some random head scratcher) I’d still call decently local compared to others…. But most importantly once the bills assistant GM was hired, at least in my opinion it was pretty clear Daboll would be going there too…

IF the text from BB was 3 days before Flores was to interview, at best it was a violation of the Rooney rule.. I am more concerned with the allegations he levied against the Dolphins Owner.

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Maybe he wasn't prepared to end his career before this.  If he resigned after one season of his first HC job, do you think he gets another chance?

 

Who knows?  He says he was asked to do unsavory things as coach, yet he never mentioned them or quit over them.

[hemma]

He’s pissed and I don’t blame him, but he might be making it worse on himself near - and long term.

Edited February 2, 2022 by hemma

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Who knows?  He says he was asked to do unsavory things as coach, yet he never mentioned them or quit over them.

If he quit the Owner probably would have made sure he never got another NFL job, as it appears now it seems he did that after firing him anyways.  He was the best HC candidate out there and yet hardly a sniff.. it does smell rather off..

[JoPoy88]

Just now, hemma said:

He’s pissed and I don’t blame him, but he might be making it worse on himself near - and long term.

He’s well aware of what he’s doing and what it’ll likely cost him. He said as much today.

[Seventeen]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

IF the text from BB was 3 days before Flores was to interview, at best it was a violation of the Rooney rule.. I am more concerned with the allegations he levied against the Dolphins Owner.

 

His word against Ross - no way Ross went to Fitz and asked him to tank games. 

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, hemma said:

He’s pissed and I don’t blame him, but he might be making it worse on himself near - and long term.

Am I the only one thinks maybe BB told him more and maybe stated he bring him back as a coordinator. (I’m sure BB wouldn’t mind seeing the shield being tarnished)

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 hours ago, teef said:

if the story about ross is true, i wonder what it does to their coaching search.

probably narrows them down to Joe Judge or Matt Patricia.

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

I like the comment about how McDermott probably ripped him after the Jax game. Rightly so. 

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, Roy Hobbs said:

 

His word against Ross - no way Ross went to Fitz and asked him to tank games. 

Fitz magic usually last a few games.. besides that, he wasn’t in Miami for year one where Flores won 5 games at the end of the season with a JV Team. 

[sullim4]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

IF the text from BB was 3 days before Flores was to interview, at best it was a violation of the Rooney rule.. I am more concerned with the allegations he levied against the Dolphins Owner.

I tend to agree with this take.

 

Both my wife and I have been “sham” interviewees in the past. It sucks to go through the prep for a job you have 0% chance of landing, but it’s how life works.

 

Throwing games intentionally though is huge if it’s actually true. It’d get the owner kicked out of the league and if anyone had knowledge of this and placed a bet… it’d be the NFL’s version of the Black Sox. This is the much bigger news imo.

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

probably narrows them down to Joe Judge or Matt Patricia.

Please take Patricia.. pretty please! Lol

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

probably narrows them down to Joe Judge or Matt Patricia.

Noooo Leslie Frazier. Think about it😏

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

1 minute ago, PolishPrince said:

I just want to make it clear I never said Daboll was more qualified than Flores. Hell as sucky as it is this situation, I’m selfishly glad he’s out of Miami he had me worried they were going to be a powerhouse soon. 
 

im saying like you mentioned before hand. Daboll was a hot candidate (so it’s not some random head scratcher) I’d still call decently local compared to others…. But most importantly once the bills assistant GM was hired, at least in my opinion it was pretty clear Daboll would be going there too…

 

It makes sense why the Giants wanted Daboll. They think they are getting the guy that developed Josh Allen (even though we all know a lot has gone into that). They want to see if Jones has anything, and if not, have a guy who can develop their next QB.

 

Flores botched Tua. Swapping Fitzpatrick and Tua in and out in 2020 was a mess, and people called it then.

If I am a team trying to solve the QB situation to complete, then it's Daboll all the way.

 

To Flores point, no one wants to be a token candidate and I understand his anger with the Giants in that regard.

 

The Miami and Denver stuff is pretty mind blowing if true.

The swipe at Buffalo (McDermott and Daboll not getting along) was petty and unnecessary.

 

There are a lot of staffs that need DCs and he is one of the best. Going nuclear isn't going to help.

I guess if all the above is true, it was just too much to handle.

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

IF the text from BB was 3 days before Flores was to interview, at best it was a violation of the Rooney rule.. I am more concerned with the allegations he levied against the Dolphins Owner.

Checked the Dolphins board, a lot of them are annoyed at Florez for not tanking.

[klos63]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Who knows?  He says he was asked to do unsavory things as coach, yet he never mentioned them or quit over them.

he obviously ignored those requests. I'm sure it's a difficult situation for a first year HC. Let's not get confused over who the bad guy in this is. It's the guy offering money to lose, not the guy that refused to go along with it

Edited February 2, 2022 by klos63

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Checked the Dolphins board, a lot of them are annoyed at Florez for not tanking.

That’s not his job to do, as HC it’s his job to win games.. fans may want a tank, I know I did the first year Brady left.. but by no means should a coach or owner try to tank.

[Seventeen]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Fitz magic usually last a few games.. besides that, he wasn’t in Miami for year one where Flores won 5 games at the end of the season with a JV Team. 

 

Fitz was the QB during the 5-4 run at then end of the 2019 season when Ross asked Flores to tank games for 100K.

[BrainwashedBillsFan]

Idk but I would take Flores over Frazier at DC any day. I don’t think Flores is fibbing about any of this, just my opinion

 

wait so does this make Flores not a process guy?

Edited February 2, 2022 by BrainwashedBillsFan

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

That’s not his job to do, as HC it’s his job to win games.. fans may want a tank, I know I did the first year Brady left.. but by no means should a coach or owner try to tank.

Oh yeah I agree, GMs tank, players and coaches don't.

[Reed83HOF]

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

Fitz was the QB during the 5-4 run at then end of the 2019 season when Ross asked Flores to tank games for 100K.

I stand corrected, but again the owner never ask him! He knew what he was getting and he probably felt with retreads he would have no chance. 

[Reed83HOF]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I like the comment about how McDermott probably ripped him after the Jax game. Rightly so. 

A lot of blame to go around in that game, a dumpster fire for the offense 

[klos63]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

I must have dozed off, last I heard he was heading to Miami. Wonder if he heard about Ross while deciding?

12 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

He’s well aware of what he’s doing and what it’ll likely cost him. He said as much today.

Would be really crappy if his career ends and he is proven right in his accusations.  Bad look for the league.

[Mikie2times]

Couple things. I think BB has an interesting relationship with the Giants. On one hand he spent a lot of time there. On another, he never was never offered HC as Parcells largely ruined the chance at that happening. He was also beat by Eli, NYG, and TC in many critical moments during is Patriots dynasty, including his undefeated season. His texts also throw a bit of chaos into a divisional  opponent. Not as if they needed anymore to begin with but it certainly doesn't hurt New England for Miami to become a dumpster fire. I also highly doubt BB likes Roger Goodell given the way he and NE have always been investigated and even if us fans feel punishment was light, I'm certain BB does not feel the same. The long story short, did BB "screw up" this text on purpose? 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You are getting confused............Flores is the local NYC guy not Daboll..........Flores is from Brooklyn.   Buffalo is like 380 miles from the Meadowlands.   Pittsburgh is closer.

 

And Flores has had back to back winning seasons as an NFL HC.........just finished last season 8-1 over the last 9.    Daboll has been fired 3x as an NFL OC and never been a HC at any level.

 

On paper.........it's no contest who is the more "deserving candidate".

 

It simply comes down to the GM hiring who he's most comfortable with.     Which is reality and everyone knows that this is usually how it works,  regardless of race.   But when some f*cking HC on another team,  who is also white,  knows who the HC of the Giants is going to be before they've even had interviews that is a really, really bad look...........even if it ultimately is just a longtime friend in Mara consulting with Belichick.    It just looks like:

 

 

Exactly.  Brian Daboll.

 

Top 5 offense twice in his final two seasons. Helped turn a physically talented polarizing QB prospect into arguably the best in the NFL.  Beloved by said QB who said he would beg him to stay. By most accounts, loved by his players. Groomed by a great, well-respected, leader of men in McDermott, and previously, Saban/BB.

 

Compared to, Brian Flores. Oversaw a offense in the bottom 10 3 years in a row. Fired OC after OC. Attempted to shatter his young talented QB prospect's confidence over and over again, whether with words or constant benchings. Got all of "his" defenses pieces and oversaw an above average defense once as an HC. Oversaw a 7 game losing streak after starting 1-0, (he gets tremendous credit for a turnaround, but they wouldn't need a turnaround without an equally horrendous collapse). Had his team completely unprepared in a do-or-die week 17 game with a playoff berth on the line.

 

Flores star faded. Daboll's has only shone brighter. That's how it goes.  How many other coaches have gotten their number 1 HC job one month after being fired from their last job?

Edited February 2, 2022 by FireChans

[klos63]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

A lot of blame to go around in that game, a dumpster fire for the offense 

RB's had 9 carries vs 47 pass attempts by Allen, and the Jax defense was teeing off on Allen. Daboll should have been called out.

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I must have dozed off, last I heard he was heading to Miami. Wonder if he heard about Ross while deciding?

Would be really crappy if his career ends and he is proven right in his accusations.  Bad look for the league.

 

Report came out saying Harbaugh is signing with Minnesota about 20 mins later a report from nfln reporter said they just completed a 9 hour interview with Patrick Graham and that Harbaugh was interviewing tomorrow

[Jeffbigalls]

Daboll will be out of NY in a year or 2 he is not head coach material, he's another macadoo

[JoPoy88]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

 

Report came out saying Harbaugh is signing with Minnesota about 20 mins later a report from nfln reporter said they just completed a 9 hour interview with Patrick Graham and that Harbaugh was interviewing tomorrow

Another great look for the league.

[klos63]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Report came out saying Harbaugh is signing with Minnesota about 20 mins later a report from nfln reporter said they just completed a 9 hour interview with Patrick Graham and that Harbaugh was interviewing tomorrow

So Harbaugh hasn't even interviewed yet?  Yikes!

[Big Blitz]

21 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

 

 

That's where this lost me.  Ok it lost me in a lot of ways.  

 

 

When has that EVER happened?? An OC thats a leader in the clubhouse for a HC job leaves (and leaves Josh Allen) to make a lateral move to a worse offense??

 

When?  In what universe does that scenario play out?  

 

And great reporting there Mike.  Speculation from who?  And "would" leave?  Fake news central.  "Might be interested" and "heard he might not not be happy in Buffalo" is not exactly solid evidence to roll with "Speculation Daboll would leave" if Flores got the job.  Gtfo with that.   

 

This stinks of Flores just trying to stir ***t with Daboll, the Giants, and maybe the Bills.

 

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, klos63 said:

RB's had 9 carries vs 47 pass attempts by Allen, and the Jax defense was teeing off on Allen. Daboll should have been called out.

OL wasn't good, Allen has the ability to audible out of any play. The entire offense was flat and played like *****. 

 

S. Griffin even commented after the game how it looked like we didn't care during the game, that is on players...

[Coach Tuesday]

Craziest part is that the Dolphins still could’ve just drafted Herbert…

[BuffaloBills1998]

I think this is all a sham on Flores part. There’s a video of him shaking hands with Ross after the victory against the giants in December. Also why do this while your interviewing for the Saints and Texans HC spots?? This just screams sour grapes and I can see why Miami fired him

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

So Harbaugh hasn't even interviewed yet?  Yikes!

This hit first

 

And then this like 20 mins later