Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

If he quit the Owner probably would have made sure he never got another NFL job, as it appears now it seems he did that after firing him anyways.  He was the best HC candidate out there and yet hardly a sniff.. it does smell rather off..

 

How did Ross convince 8 other owners not to hire Flores?  

 

Flores didn't the his firing graciously a few weeks ago.  People took notice.  In fact even here posters felt he was poisoning his chances at another job.

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

OL wasn't good, Allen has the ability to audible out of any play. The entire offense was flat and played like *****. 

 

S. Griffin even commented after the game how it looked like we didn't care during the game, that is on players...

There were a lot of issues with the offense the first 2/3 of the season. I really believe McD pushing Daboll to run more, combined with a little luck on the line with Bates and Brown, led to a much better offense.

[Mr. WEO]

16 minutes ago, klos63 said:

he obviously ignored those requests. I'm sure it's a difficult situation for a first year HC. Let's not get confused over who the bad guy in this is. It's the guy offering money to lose, not the guy that refused to go along with it

 

Let's not forget that Flores has only made these claims a few years later, after he was fired, and without (so far) proof.

[freddyjj]

Flores now claiming Giants did not validate his parking.  

And made him use vending machine for a drink during interview.  

 

Get over yourself.  

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, klos63 said:

There were a lot of issues with the offense the first 2/3 of the season. I really believe McD pushing Daboll to run more, combined with a little luck on the line with Bates and Brown, led to a much better offense.

Oh I agree, not using the jet sweeps etc., it felt like trying to force a different offense on the team, along with an abysmal OL.

[zow2]

Pretty crazy how this story hits the fan the day of Brady’s retirement.  That’s now second page news, and of course Super Bowl festivities with all the NFL parties, etc..  what amazing timing for this sordid story to hit.

And all this interview stuff rubbed me the wrong way when the Bills coaches were being interviewed in the middle of their playoff game preparations. 

 

Josh picked a great week to blow off NFL Pro Bowl stuff and go golfing .

[FireChans]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Let's not forget that Flores has only made these claims a few years later, after he was fired, and without (so far) proof.

It's very very rare for an HC to get fired from his current job and immediately walk into another HC job.

 

Even BB had to wait 5 years in-between Cleveland and NE. Caroll had to go to USC. Harbaugh went to Michigan.

 

Andy Reid did. But Andy went to the playoff 9 times, went to the Superbowl, 4 straight conference championships. etc.

 

Flores couldn't hold a candle to Andy Reid.

 

[PatsFanNH]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

How did Ross convince 8 other owners not to hire Flores?  

 

Flores didn't the his firing graciously a few weeks ago.  People took notice.  In fact even here posters felt he was poisoning his chances at another job.

Gracefully? Only a moron owner like Ross would fire a HC that had the team going in the right direction.  Mind you I’m glad I want Miami to join the Jets in futility and just be my Pats and the Bills fighting for the division.. but Flores was hosed and everyone knew it.

[Sharky7337]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

Gracefully? Only a moron owner like Ross would fire a HC that had the team going in the right direction.  Mind you I’m glad I want Miami to join the Jets in futility and just be my Pats and the Bills fighting for the division.. but Flores was hosed and everyone knew it.

Cause starting a season 0 and 7 and losing out of the playoffs last year is all unicorns and rainbows?

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

It's very very rare for an HC to get fired from his current job and immediately walk into another HC job.

 

Even BB had to wait 5 years in-between Cleveland and NE. Caroll had to go to USC. Harbaugh went to Michigan.

 

Andy Reid did. But Andy went to the playoff 9 times, went to the Superbowl, 4 straight conference championships. etc.

 

Flores couldn't hold a candle to Andy Reid.

 

Can you name 1 HC who was ever fired after having back to back winning seasons? I know the Lions fired a coach after 1 winning season and replaced him with Patricia.. (dumbest move ever.. and to Flores point a black coach who never got another chance )

[SCBills]

Should there be more than 1 black HC, absolutely.  There are absolutely more than 1 qualified black HC out there.  
 

That being said, I keep seeing the 70% black statistic.  While valid… what position typically dictates if a HC is successful or not?…. Quarterback.   And what percentage of league’s QB’s are white?  
 

If we’re going to play that game, and we should not, it’s a QB driven league.  Your HC better be able to work with your QB and/or hire the requisite coaches to do so.  

[HalftimeAdjustment]

22 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

 

How did they "make" him sit through a nine-hour interview... what, no eating was involved? When you fly in anyhow for an interview, why would they limit it to an hour? Wouldn't a shorter interview be more of a sham interview?

 

Is the GM of the Vikings (see below) intent on not hiring a Black coach who he has a relationship with, but he thought he'd make it look good? I guess we will be watching, but for what exactly... 

https://vikingsterritory.com/2022/general-news/what-to-expect-from-kwesi-adofo-mensah

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, Sharky7337 said:

Cause starting a season 0 and 7 and losing out of the playoffs last year is all unicorns and rainbows?

You finished 8-1 and missed the playoffs by a game.. and the season at 9-8.  Again I can’t think of 1 coach fired after 3 winning seasons.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Gracefully? Only a moron owner like Ross would fire a HC that had the team going in the right direction.  Mind you I’m glad I want Miami to join the Jets in futility and just be my Pats and the Bills fighting for the division.. but Flores was hosed and everyone knew it.

 

I thought Flores did a great job his first season and said so here at the time.  COTY candidate.

 

For the purposes of this discussion, it doesn't matter.   Owners fire decent  coaches and hire predictably bad coaches (looking at you Rex).  Lots of owner are football morons.  None of that comes into play.  

 

Flores could have more convincingly filed a suit against Ross for firing him after he wouldn't take money to tank.  That would have been a chip shot.  My guess is he didn't because he can't prove that.  So he stuck it in his Bill of Particulars for the clicks.

[section122]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Can you name 1 HC who was ever fired after having back to back winning seasons? I know the Lions fired a coach after 1 winning season and replaced him with Patricia.. (dumbest move ever.. and to Flores point a black coach who never got another chance )

Marty schottenheimer was let go after 3 straight, going 14-2, and winning the division 2 out of 3 years.  Flores didn't make the playoffs either year he had a winning record.

[harryS]

Michael Silver is a disgusting human being and should be ignored.  He and all his ilk.

 

I also don't think Flores' career is over.  If we replaced Frazier with him, many people here would jump for joy, me included.  (I'd replace McDermott with him, too, but that's more controversial).

[section122]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

You finished 8-1 and missed the playoffs by a game.. and the season at 9-8.  Again I can’t think of 1 coach fired after 3 winning seasons.

He only had 2 winning seasons and the team got blown out both years when they had a chance to make the playoffs.  Week 16 to the titans this year and week 17 to the bills the year before.  Neither game was even close.

[somnus00]

5 hours ago, teef said:

if the story about ross is true, i wonder what it does to their coaching search.

I believe there would be serious legal ramifications if that is true. Purposely losing?

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It's very very rare for an HC to get fired from his current job and immediately walk into another HC job.

 

Even BB had to wait 5 years in-between Cleveland and NE. Caroll had to go to USC. Harbaugh went to Michigan.

 

Andy Reid did. But Andy went to the playoff 9 times, went to the Superbowl, 4 straight conference championships. etc.

 

Flores couldn't hold a candle to Andy Reid.

 

 

That is what is perplexing. He would have been a hot DC commodity with all these staff changes

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I think an admission that your team went through the motions simply to comply with the rules should still come with a penalty; regardless of how one feels about the rule.

 

But it doesn't.  The rule is the rule.  It calls for what it calls for.  It does not call for a penalty.

 

Now.  If someone with HC hiring authority on the Giants called or emailed or texted or sent a FedEx packet to Daboll offering him the job AFTER he interviewed on Tuesday Jan 25 but BEFORE Flores interviewed on Thursday Jan 27, then yes, it was a sham interview, and possibly violated the Rooney Rule requiring at least 1 in-person interview of a minority HC candidate from outside the organization

 

But if someone who is somewhere down in the chain of command told Belichick that they were really wowed by his interview and it looks like Daboll's their guy, then Belichick reacted to congratulate Daboll, that leaves Schoen and Mara and whoever else the final decision makers are with "plausible deniability".

 

It happens all the time that the guy or gal you interview early blows you away, but if there are other interviews already set up, you may go ahead with them because, you never know, the next interviewee may be even better and change your mind!!!!  You might drop a few breadcrumbs to keep the first fish on the hook though...

 

In this case, there's an NFL requirement that you go ahead with the interview you've set up.

 

But still, unless whoever has the hiring authority actually told Daboll "congratulations, you got the job!" before Flores interviewed 🤷‍♂️, and Bill Belichick's premature (and misdirected) ejaculations of "sounds like you've landed, congrats!" and "I hear you're their guy, hope it works out if you want it to" don't really amount to much

 

 

 

 

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yep, no guarantee that Flores would be the better coach for the job.

 

But he was more qualified.

 

And for that he at least deserved a legitimate chance if he was being interviewed.

 

Sham-interviewing him after what had happened in Miami was ugly.

 

If you are going to just hire your guy either way..........interview some people who know they are just getting Rooney Rule looks.........not the more proven, local guy.

 

There were plenty of excuses to hire Daboll without doing that.

 

More qualified based on his 24-25 record and inability to develop a competitive offense? In a league being dominated by offensive play. A coach who agreed with the front office that Tua was a better option than Herbert. Who was given a chance by the Dolphins owner and black GM Grier. 

The Giants have stated he was in serious consideration. They chose instead an OC that was highly sought after. Who built an offensive and developed a QB who crushed the more qualified Flores. More proven ?

Leftwich has demanded he bring in his own GM with the Jags. His colleague who happens to be black. Smart move but similar to JS & BD they have a great relationship. Isn’t that just smart all around. No matter ethnicity? 
 

[SCBills]

Bill Belichick really “texted the wrong person” to ruin Tom Brady’s retirement announcement.  
 

Chess, not Checkers. 

[Tenhigh]

10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

You finished 8-1 and missed the playoffs by a game.. and the season at 9-8.  Again I can’t think of 1 coach fired after 3 winning seasons.

No, but it he also hasn't made the playoffs over that same stretch either. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It's very very rare for an HC to get fired from his current job and immediately walk into another HC job.

 

Even BB had to wait 5 years in-between Cleveland and NE. Caroll had to go to USC. Harbaugh went to Michigan.

 

Andy Reid did. But Andy went to the playoff 9 times, went to the Superbowl, 4 straight conference championships. etc.

 

Flores couldn't hold a candle to Andy Reid.

 

Adam Gase did most recently unless I'm forgetting someone. Gase can't hold a candle to Flores.🤷🏻‍♂️

[QLBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

That is what is perplexing. He would have been a hot DC commodity with all these staff changes

Yes a very respected DC at age 40. Who clearly would have gotten another chance fairly soon. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

While it does kind of seem like the guy has been getting ***** over here lately, I don't know if he can really prove discrimination with the Giants hiring Daboll, the guy was one of the hottest picks to get HC job the last two years.

Because they picked him before they even gave Flores a chance

[BuffaloRebound]

Belichik ain’t congratulating Daboll unless he got the job.  That’s a pretty damning text in regards to a sham interview.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Wah wah, my boss didn't like me because i didn't do what i was told. Guess what , thats jobs everywhere, you piss off the boss and you want be around long.

 

 

[JaCrispy]

54 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

IF the text from BB was 3 days before Flores was to interview, at best it was a violation of the Rooney rule.. I am more concerned with the allegations he levied against the Dolphins Owner.

I’m not sure BB sending a text message violates anything...People can feel any way they wanna feel about that disclosure...But the Rooney Rule only requires that a team interviews two minority candidates...The Giants met that obligation, regardless of when they settled on their final decision...

 

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by JaCrispy

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

16 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Gracefully? Only a moron owner like Ross would fire a HC that had the team going in the right direction.  Mind you I’m glad I want Miami to join the Jets in futility and just be my Pats and the Bills fighting for the division.. but Flores was hosed and everyone knew it.

 

I have a feeling Ross and the Dolphins brain trust really think Tua is the answer at QB. Flores and most people who know football know he is not.

It was pretty clear Flores was not all aboard the Tua train.

 

Winning in the division is also key. I know Flores bedeviled the Pats (I'll miss that) but he was awful against the Bills (I'll miss that too). Haven't looked up Dolphins v Jets

 

So if I am an owner and think you can't beat the lead team in the division, can't coach up all the high draft picks my GM keeps drafting, and screwed up developing my QB then yeah, I would make a change. Sounds a lot like the Owner and GM are in cahoots and the coach was not on board, even though I agree with Flores.

[FireChans]

18 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Can you name 1 HC who was ever fired after having back to back winning seasons? I know the Lions fired a coach after 1 winning season and replaced him with Patricia.. (dumbest move ever.. and to Flores point a black coach who never got another chance )

Bro they started out the season 1-7 and he basically treated their young QB and top 5 pick like *****.  They also were woeful in their do-or-die games. The legend of Brian Flores continues to grow.

 

AFAIK, Flores isn't claiming he was fired because of racism anyway, so who cares?

9 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

That is what is perplexing. He would have been a hot DC commodity with all these staff changes

He's mad he didn't get the job he wanted. Vance Joseph went back to coaching defenses. Gary Kubiak went back to OC. McDaniels crawled back to OC and didn't get another chance at HC for 10 years.

[harryS]

6 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

More qualified based on his 24-25 record and inability to develop a competitive offense? In a league being dominated by offensive play. A coach who agreed with the front office that Tua was a better option than Herbert. Who was given a chance by the Dolphins owner and black GM Grier. 
 

 

Yes, Flores is more qualified for head coach.  He's had decent success as a head coach relative to his team's talent level.  Daboll has no head coaching experience, and the coordinator skillset is different from the head coach skillset.  Additionally, even Daboll's coordinator resume is a mixed bag, as he's been fired a few times from offensive coordinator after producing lowly-ranked offenses before finally landing in Buffalo with Josh Allen.

 

To be clear, I do think Daboll is a good coordinator and I would've given him the head coaching job after 13 seconds happened to McDermott.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

It simply comes down to the GM hiring who he's most comfortable with.     Which is reality and everyone knows that this is usually how it works,  regardless of race.   But when some f*cking HC on another team,  who is also white,  knows who the HC of the Giants is going to be before they've even had interviews that is a really, really bad look...........even if it ultimately is just a longtime friend in Mara consulting with Belichick.

 

If Belichick actually heard from Mara himself that they intended to offer the job to Daboll before they interviewed Flores, that's a horrible look

 

If Mara called Belichick and said "we interviewed Daboll today and we think he might be our guy, what can you tell us about his (something something)?" and Belichick is over-enthusiastic in how he interprets that and runs off to congratulate Daboll (but gets lost in the electrons along the way), 🤷‍♂️

[QLBillsFan]

24 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Gracefully? Only a moron owner like Ross would fire a HC that had the team going in the right direction.  Mind you I’m glad I want Miami to join the Jets in futility and just be my Pats and the Bills fighting for the division.. but Flores was hosed and everyone knew it.

That’s all true except he could not get along with his GM. Or keep offensive coordinators or develop his QB of choice Tua. D Culley got screwed, Flores not so much. 

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Because they picked him before they even gave Flores a chance

There's plenty of people that didn't get hired because someone else was picked before them that doesn't = discrimination.

[BillnutinHouston]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Bills didn't interview a minority candidate for OC?

 

Yes they did, but to our knowledge, neither were notified that Dorsey got the job before they interviewed.

[Sharky7337]

20 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

You finished 8-1 and missed the playoffs by a game.. and the season at 9-8.  Again I can’t think of 1 coach fired after 3 winning seasons.

They had a worse record then they did the year prior though. 

[harryS]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Wah wah, my boss didn't like me because i didn't do what i was told. Guess what , thats jobs everywhere, you piss off the boss and you want be around long.

 

 

What if your boss asked you to cheat or steal?

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Yes they did, but to our knowledge, neither were notified that Dorsey got the job before they interviewed.

 

So if they had offered him the job beforehand but the Bills kept it secret, all good--no lawsuit?

[QLBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

I have a feeling Ross and the Dolphins brain trust really think Tua is the answer at QB. Flores and most people who know football know he is not.

It was pretty clear Flores was not all aboard the Tua train.

 

Winning in the division is also key. I know Flores bedeviled the Pats (I'll miss that) but he was awful against the Bills (I'll miss that too). Haven't looked up Dolphins v Jets

 

So if I am an owner and think you can't beat the lead team in the division, can't coach up all the high draft picks my GM keeps drafting, and screwed up developing my QB then yeah, I would make a change. Sounds a lot like the Owner and GM are in cahoots and the coach was not on board, even though I agree with Flores.

It has been documented that Flores agreed to Tua over Herbert. Then soured on him because he’s not very good and prefers golfing on days he could be working on his game.