Jester Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 It’s time to put Dane on Diggs at every practice. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Frez said: A star is about to be born. Dane Jackson will be a stand out CB for the Buffalo Bills all the way to the SB. Let's hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/5-things-about-dane-jackson-the-bills-next-man-up-after-tredavious-whites-injury/article_a77bd452-4ef6-11ec-aab9-3f0a8db79f0c.html Here are five things to know about Buffalo Bills cornerback Dane Jackson, who is the likely replacement for injured All-Pro Tre'Davious White. White is out for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 11 hours ago, HardyBoy said: Or he was not letting himself get beat deep on a double move. For all you know he sniffed out the shot call and let him take the first. Jackson got beat badly on a double move vs Jax that should have ended the game, but Lawrence overthrew the wide open receiver who had a clear path to the end zone. It would have made it 16-6 with two minutes left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Didn't realize people drank so much on Black Friday! Will say him getting regular game and practice action should help him improve some. That and scheming, may be OK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 50 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Jackson got beat badly on a double move vs Jax that should have ended the game, but Lawrence overthrew the wide open receiver who had a clear path to the end zone. It would have made it 16-6 with two minutes left. not for nothing but every player gets beat on plays every now and then. Tre, Poyer, Hyde, Milano … Lets just hope he isn’t a total bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Guys. You're still trying to replace White. I told you we can't do it. What we can do is recreate him in the aggregate. I understand how a team can do that if they lose a pass rusher, but I don’t see how it could work when you lose a CB like Tre. We are not a blitz heavy team so he should have help. But that’s still something that Tre doesn’t need a lot of. I think it limits our scheme because we no longer have a CB we can leave on an island. It’ll be interesting to see how we adapt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Rc2catch said: We obviously want to see him perform well. But let’s be completely honest here……… We need Dane to play at Levis level right now and that’s enough to ask of him. yeah, the whole "next man up" is a bunch of garbage. with the salary cap what it is, the "next man up" is as often as not some league minimum salary guy and a steep dropoff from the high paid starter. Also, this is a reality we will need to get used to once Josh's cap hit kicks in. time for McD to pick his best pass rushers and keep them on the field longer than he does now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Jackson got beat badly on a double move vs Jax that should have ended the game, but Lawrence overthrew the wide open receiver who had a clear path to the end zone. It would have made it 16-6 with two minutes left. So he's making progress potentially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Murdock Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 12 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Ima say this as nice as can.....WE ARE SCREWED AT CB. Thanks for adding these insightful comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 It's not all on Dane Jackson, Leslie Frazier has experience dealing with injuries. He may need more blitz packages & playing more zone. Will the Patriots test Dane Jackson, of course they will but safety help MIGHT minimize the loss of Tre White. I think the doom and gloom is out of control here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, HOUSE said: It's not all on Dane Jackson, Leslie Frazier has experience dealing with injuries. He may need more blitz packages & playing more zone. Will the Patriots test Dane Jackson, of course they will but safety help MIGHT minimize the loss of Tre White. I think the doom and gloom is out of control here. I realize you're an intelligent fella, but I have you pegged as comic relief. If you're going to provide analysis as well, I'll have to adjust my strategy accordingly. I'm classifying this post as zone coverage, though maybe now you're mixing in some individual interlocutor interaction. Still think the meme blitz ought to be part of your overall package, don't care what the coaches say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Call up Nick Mccloud. He’s a future star. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Bills will be a new D next Monday...But that does not have to be a bad thing...If Oliver continues his upward progression, Star comes back, and the DE's do their part it could solve a ton of the fallout from Tre's injury...The Bills have plenty...PLENTY of talent on D...And realistically, it's going to be on the Offense more than the Defense anyway...We've always known that... I have no idea what to expect from Dane, but the Bills Secondary is one of the most talented units in the NFL...And talented units thrive on competition...So I'm guessing Jackson will be OK...Not Tre of course...But OK... 1 minute ago, wppete said: Call up Nick Mccloud. He’s a future star. I really don't know what they are going to do, but as soon as I heard Tre was gone my guess was McCloud would eventually be the #3... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 12 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Dane has fallen for every double move he’s ever seen. Somehow he bit AGAIN on Thursday night. I’ve never seen a corner fall for the fake so many times without adapting. THIS. This right here is my main concern. Not only does he bite on double moves but when he gets behind in coverage he holds onto the WR’s causing a flag. These types of plays can change games. Guaranteed that Josh McDaniels is going to break tendencies and dial up a few deep shots to Bourne or Agolor to test Jackson and Wallace deep 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Jackson got beat badly on a double move vs Jax that should have ended the game, but Lawrence overthrew the wide open receiver who had a clear path to the end zone. It would have made it 16-6 with two minutes left. Yes and he also got beat last Thursday as well and nearly was flagged for PI. As a CB he seems to be hit or miss depending on the play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I realize you're an intelligent fella, but I have you pegged as comic relief. If you're going to provide analysis as well, I'll have to adjust my strategy accordingly. I'm classifying this post as zone coverage, though maybe now you're mixing in some individual interlocutor interaction. Still think the meme blitz ought to be part of your overall package, don't care what the coaches say. Of course he could suck and then we are screwed 😬 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Just now, HOUSE said: Of course he could suck and then we are screwed 😬 Several folks have mentioned Nick McCloud who I liked in PS. Hopefully one of these fellas can step up. McD seems to have a knack for developing dbs. Time to work some magic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 14 hours ago, Frez said: A star is about to be born. Dane Jackson will be a stand out CB for the Buffalo Bills all the way to the SB. let’s goooooooooooooooo! I agree, I think White is a good CB but not top 10 good. Jackson will step in and do a good job. Our amazing FS, SS and nickel will help cover the lose of White. I will let the numbers do the talking for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 vs the Pats power run game, Dane will be an asset. He's in the same league as Taron/Poyer in terms of hitting. There will be times we'll miss Tre but not this Monday night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 We’re all expecting to go heavy zone and ask Levi/Dane to cover their areas. Much easier to do than asking them to man up. As other have said, this isn’t about next man up replacing Tre, it’s about Oliver, Edmunds, Milano, Hyde, Poyer, Johnson, Hughes, Addison, Rousseau, Epenesa, Star etc.. elevating their play to replace Tre. If Oliver has turned the corner to become a top flight penetrating DT, I’d argue that’s more important in modern football than any shut down corner. It seems like every Titans game, we’re told how bad their secondary is, and every Titans game, their pressure scheme makes it so that narrative doesn’t matter. Look no further than Josh Allen vs the Chiefs in the AFCCG to see what pressure can mask. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 13 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Dane has fallen for every double move he’s ever seen. Somehow he bit AGAIN on Thursday night. I’ve never seen a corner fall for the fake so many times without adapting. It's uncanny, actually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Sabres used to have a player (briefly) named Dane Jackson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 14 hours ago, White Linen said: Big difference between being special and surviving this, don't you think? two different responses. One was in reply to a poster who implied that since White was special, Jackson couldn't be. That's total nonsense. They could both be special. The second was in response to the "our season is over" type of posts. That is nonsense. Even if Jackson is average, our season isn't over if we are a well-constructed and coached team. 1 hour ago, SCBills said: We’re all expecting to go heavy zone and ask Levi/Dane to cover their areas. Much easier to do than asking them to man up. As other have said, this isn’t about next man up replacing Tre, it’s about Oliver, Edmunds, Milano, Hyde, Poyer, Johnson, Hughes, Addison, Rousseau, Epenesa, Star etc.. elevating their play to replace Tre. If Oliver has turned the corner to become a top flight penetrating DT, I’d argue that’s more important in modern football than any shut down corner. It seems like every Titans game, we’re told how bad their secondary is, and every Titans game, their pressure scheme makes it so that narrative doesn’t matter. Look no further than Josh Allen vs the Chiefs in the AFCCG to see what pressure can mask. Yep, if we actually had a DL that could generate pressure. We'll find out what we are made of soon, if this creates a failure, it's on Bean's terrible job fixing the DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bills Fan Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Too small for today's bigger receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 20 hours ago, White Linen said: I don't know. White is damn special. Saving grace here is that Tre will be in Danes ear every second imparting his pro bowl wisdom so there’s that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 20 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Just don't get beat deep. That's all he needs to do. The SuperBowl is solely dependent on Allen. Honestly, this is about right. Tre is awesome and can't be replaced, but our D is still above average. If Allen and the O can get it going with our real o-line, we'll be fine. If not, it probably wasn't happening anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 3 hours ago, TN Bills Fan said: Too small for today's bigger receivers. isn’t he almost exactly the same size as Tre White? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 20 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: Some of the games left: NE twice, Tampa Bay, Falcons, Panthers and Jets. Except for Bucs, no truly elite WRs Buffalo would need to lock down to finish the season. Of course, playoffs will be different (assuming the Bills make the playoffs and no I’m not being pessimistic, just nothing guaranteed) but at that point who knows what happens. Somewhat ironically, the run game now plays an even bigger role for the Bills to be able to continue to win. If we somehow do miss the playoffs I’m sure we can all agree that we have a bigger problem then just not having Tre White on the field 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 23 hours ago, Da webster guy said: vs the Pats power run game, Dane will be an asset. He's in the same league as Taron/Poyer in terms of hitting. There will be times we'll miss Tre but not this Monday night. I think this is a highly overlooked point. Tre White, while being superlative in all aspects of coverage and instinct, is a statistically poor tackler. The thing we need most against NE--which is, coincidentally our ticket into or out of the playoffs--is players who can tackle RBs and TEs. I'm not saying it's good that we've lost Tre; that's balderdash. What I am saying is that Jackson's skill set is more valuable against NE than some might lead us to believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 11/26/2021 at 7:22 PM, Green Lightning said: He couldn't beat out Levi Wallace, so now he's going to be a star? Maybe a comet or an asteroid? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 11/26/2021 at 10:42 PM, MasterStrategist said: Dane will be fine, he's not Tre but few are. I've seen Dane play high school, where he was an excellent dual threat QB (recruited by some schools at that position) and then go on to play at Pitt. He's a team first, great kid. Polite, quiet and hard working. Thought he was going to beat out Levi for the #2 spot this offseason, but anyone saying we don't have depth is crazy. He will step in and do solid for us. I agree. I think Dane's future is bright. Smart hard working and instinctive. Big fan He and Cam Lewis will be steady enough , and likely make plays. Good post MS and ty Go Bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 11/26/2021 at 8:12 PM, Frez said: A star is about to be born. Dane Jackson will be a stand out CB for the Buffalo Bills all the way to the SB. let’s goooooooooooooooo! If he had superstar potential, he would have been drafted higher than the seventh round. I would be satisfied with “serviceable”, and “not the reason the Bills lose”.🤞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 11/26/2021 at 8:12 PM, Frez said: A star is about to be born. Dane Jackson will be a stand out CB for the Buffalo Bills all the way to the SB. let’s goooooooooooooooo! A star? I'm just hoping he can be average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: A star? I'm just hoping he can be average. I’m picturing guy who is going to give up some plays But is gonna be awesome in run support for a corner Edited November 29, 2021 by John from Riverside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) On 11/27/2021 at 10:50 AM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I agree, I think White is a good CB but not top 10 good. Jackson will step in and do a good job. Our amazing FS, SS and nickel will help cover the lose of White. I will let the numbers do the talking for me. And you are taking into consideration, I hope, that teams don't throw Tre's way very often as you view the numbers? Edited November 29, 2021 by ChasBB clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I’m picturing guy who is going to give up some plays But is gonna be awesome in run support for a corner I mean that's a good attribute to have like a good run-blocking WR. You never know how he'll perform. This is a once in a lifetime chance so maybe he'll play w a little heart. We shall see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 11/26/2021 at 8:24 PM, Ethan in Portland said: Just don't get beat deep. That's all he needs to do. The SuperBowl is solely dependent on Allen. He is important but he has shown he is still young and needs help as a running game would allow Josh to be his best. He doesn’t do well, nor do the Bills when everyone knows Josh is dropping back 40 plus times in a game. Look at the division leaders , they all have balanced attacks. Look at the defending SB Bucs, Brady is getting help from strong running from fournette. Can’t ignore our offensive issues just because we took a big hit on our D. I get your intended point , if Josh can play flawlessly , quit doing things he keeps reiterating he can’t do, we do have a chance to offset tres loss. Without Josh at his best , not throwing ints, not fumbling, not looking confident , not having any game winning drives, etc, we just don’t look like we can overcome the Tre loss. Best hope is Josh at his best with help. I hate to say this, but I hope we see a Josh as willing to be patient running the O as jones has been doing that with the Pats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I think it will come down to coaching. Of course, we are not going to get anywhere near the same level of speed, experience, or coverage abilities from Dane as we did from Tre. But Dane IS a stud tackler (seriously, like Antoine Winfield, Sr. level of tackling). So, as long as the coaches don't ask Dane (or Levi) to do what Tre did and instead play to the strengths of the two guys now starting, I think we'll be ok. Kind of like last year with A.J. Klein. When they put him in to replicate what either Milano or Edmunds did, he failed. But when they played to his strengths (when he was in the game), he played well. Dane has strengths, they just aren't the same as Tre's. Play to his strengths, give him help in certain situations, etc. Maybe they won't be able to take as many chances on D, have to play it a bit safer, but they could still be very solid. Will Dane get targeted, picked on, and burned sometimes...sure, but I think it's still too early to label Dane's level of coverage ability. He is still very young (2nd-year player, 126 total snaps---or a 4.5 snaps/game average). Young guys get burned by vets, just the way it is. It takes time to learn any position in the league. How many rookie QBs throw tons of INTs their first year, but then go on to be very good QBs in the future. It's because they haven't seen enough looks or different style defenses yet. Once they've seen it a couple of times, they aren't fooled by it, and react better. Similar with CBs seeing different routes, moves, speeds of receivers, etc. Even if he doesn't become a star as the OP suggests, he will improve the more reps he gets. It's just a matter of how fast can he do that, what his true ceiling is, and how the coaches can cover for him a bit until he gets there. But, either way, I know three things, Dane is going to play physical, tackle like a beast, and give it his all (play his tail off)...and I'm good with that. Hopefully his coverage abilities will continue to improve and not turn out to be a liability. But I think that is up to the coaching staff to put him in situations where he can succeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 20 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I mean that's a good attribute to have like a good run-blocking WR. You never know how he'll perform. This is a once in a lifetime chance so maybe he'll play w a little heart. We shall see... He seems to play with heart. Some of us recall his 1st series on the field. he got beat. Next throw at him he blew up the receiver with confidence. Oh he got heart and he can hit. not sure he can run one on one with a deep out called just yet Frazier will likely adjust with Poyer or Hyde helping call out to Jackson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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