Is it Zero Depth or Bad Coaching?

[BuffaloBaumer]

Can you imagine if Buffalo had injuries like Ravens, Niners  or Cleveland?? These teams lose starters time and time again and the coaching still finds a way to figure it out. We lose a RT and 1 DT and it's like we just lost our QB and top 3 receivers. The excuses from this organization is beyond pathetic. How is this team clinging to the 6th spot??!!

Edited November 22, 2021 by BuffaloBaumer

[bigduke6]

probably a bit of both tbh.

[fasteddie]

Yes.

[BringBackFergy]

We have a bunch of pre-Madonnas. 

[BuffaloRebound]

It’s about their football philosophy.  If you’re the more physical team, you always have a chance.  We are rarely the more physical team.  

[Evian]

This team is soft. That is all on the coaching staff and GM. How do you build a soft team to play in Buffalo? It looks like a Miami or Los Angeles team, not a Buffalo team. This team looked like a team that wanted no part of playing in the cold  with wind and rain.

[SirAndrew]

 

7 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

We have a bunch of pre-Madonnas. 

So you’re telling me Debbie Harry plays for this team. 😆 

[Rico]

I tend to blame coaching for the O, and bad depth for the D.

 

Get a great OL coach like Dante Scarnecchia, and you can plug and play scrubs all year. Bobby Johnson is not a great OL coach.

 

On D, scrubs like Jag Harry and Butler should never have been kept. They would've been better served filling the bottom of the roster with aggressive, physical,hungry players

[Rc2catch]

It’s 100% on the coaching. 
I think Mcdermott is a great coach. I expected so much more from Daboll this year though. Adding sanders and Breida to what we already had there’s no excuses other than scheme and play call why this offense is sputtering so badly. Injuries or not the offense has not looked overly good all year long even in games we are playing really good. There are weaknesses and injuries and all teams have those. The good coaches scheme to help cover those issues. The defense had a bad game, their worst of the season. But they’ve played how the coaches have wanted imo outside of today and maybe Tennessee. 

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

 

So you’re telling me Debbie Harry plays for this team. 😆 

I thought posting a snarky reply like this, but I couldn't come up with the right pop culture late 1970s reference. I thought Donna Summer, but that just didn't seem to capture it. Debbie Harry is ... perfect. Congratulations, Sir Andrew - your mind is just a tiny bit more cluttered with pointless knowledge than mine.

Edited November 22, 2021 by The Frankish Reich

[jkeerie]

13 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Can you imagine if Buffalo had injuries like Ravens, Niners  or Cleveland?? These teams lose starters time and time again and the coaching still finds a way to figure it out. We lose a RT and 1 DT and it's like we just lost our QB and top 3 receivers. The excuses from this organization is beyond pathetic. How is this team clinging to the 6th spot??!!

It all depends on the timing of those player losses as well.  Against the Colts...a good, hot team, we needed to be as close to 100% as possible.  Instead we're down 2 starters on the o line, our starting MLB and 2 on the D line (don't forget we're missing Zimmer as well).  That said, a better game plan on both sides of the ball was needed to overcome those losses.

[BillMafia716ix]

We’re one dimensional on offense that’s basically due to our pass heavy approach which has been our MO going on 3 seasons now. 
 

We can’t stop the run. Case in point the Bills are soft. Too much finesse 

[Chaos]

My concern is that Daboll and the team has lost Josh.  The constant parade of jail break pass rushes, holding penalties, stuffed running plays and dropped passes has to take a toll.  Josh no longer seems confident in anyone other than Diggs. Maybe Knox. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Its definitely poor depth but coaches aren't adapting to the players we have. When ford is in there we need to run more and go with more 22 personnel, like we did last week.

 

Defense should go more 43 against physical teams or 52 if you dont have the LBs, lord knows we have enough Dlineman.

 

 

[ngbills]

I do think McD has benefited from some low expectations initially and good players including Allen playing out of his mind last year for a stretch. 

[billsfan714]

I cant say I really see much of our young talent on the OL and DL being coached up.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

20 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

We have a bunch of pre-Madonnas. 

So we have a bunch of Cher’s?  She was pre-Madonna 😂

[SCBills]

‘19 Eagles

 

’20 Titans

 

’21 Colts

 

This year seems worse due to the expectations and season long lingering issues carried over from last year, but every year under McDermott, we seem to have one game that we get our brains bashed in. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

‘19 Eagles

 

’20 Titans

 

’21 Colts

 

This year seems worse due to the expectations and season long lingering issues carried over from last year, but every year under McDermott, we seem to have one game that we get our brains bashed in. 

 

Thats every year , even during the Superbowl era we had crushing losses in season.

 

 

[Ya Digg?]

33 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Can you imagine if Buffalo had injuries like Ravens, Niners  or Cleveland?? These teams lose starters time and time again and the coaching still finds a way to figure it out. We lose a RT and 1 DT and it's like we just lost our QB and top 3 receivers. The excuses from this organization is beyond pathetic. How is this team clinging to the 6th spot??!!

Which 49ers team are you talking about? The one that went 2-14 a couple of years ago? The one that had a losing record last year? The one that has a worse record than the Bills this year? And the Browns team that got blown out last week and barely beat the Lions today?

[BuffaloRebound]

I think McDermott has gone overboard on the analytics and it’s resulted in a soft finesse team that others have figured out.  Not figuring out how to use a

soon-to-be All Pro Guard, asking your 2nd round Defensive End to lose 25 pounds and now he gets rag dolled when teams run at him.  We’ve gone so overboard on finesse.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Been stating it for a while now.  Physically soft on both lines and mentally weak.  They don't seem to deal with adversity well at all.  Don't clap after a mistake. Get in their grill and make them go out and make a play to make up for the mistake.  

Edited November 22, 2021 by Ethan in Portland

[SirAndrew]

26 minutes ago, Chaos said:

My concern is that Daboll and the team has lost Josh.  The constant parade of jail break pass rushes, holding penalties, stuffed running plays and dropped passes has to take a toll.  Josh no longer seems confident in anyone other than Diggs. Maybe Knox. 

Yeah, I think Josh is great, and he’ll be fine, but I wonder how much the O line chaos is in his head right now. I don’t want to get into the “sugar high Josh” nonsense, but his play does look hectic at times. Nothing is coming very easily, including routine plays. This offense makes everything look very difficult, even when they succeed. 

Edited November 22, 2021 by SirAndrew

[DCofNC]

It’s the coaching, plain and simple.  They refuse to bend when it’s obvious they don’t have the personnel to do it their preferred way.  I’m cool with them losing out this year and hopefully getting at least the coordinators fired.

[Big Blitz]

Omg.

 

Yea the Steelers D looks exactly the same tonight.  Just another next man up by another team in the NFL.  They happen all the time.   

 

 

*rolls eyes*

[Mr. WEO]

Coaching.  Bills most penalized team.  They lack discipline.  That’s deficient coaching and deficient player leadership 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Today I feel the players didn't give the coaches the opportunity to screw game day decisions 

 

Ive never liked McDermott's in game coaching, but he has steadily improved each year with it until this season where he has stagnated so far when compared to last season

[RyanC883]

Zero Depth.  Bean has stacked average picks upon average picks.    The D line rotation scares no one, and the OL is awful.  

Edited November 22, 2021 by RyanC883

[Solomon Grundy]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Its definitely poor depth but coaches aren't adapting to the players we have. When ford is in there we need to run more and go with more 22 personnel, like we did last week.

 

Defense should go more 43 against physical teams or 52 if you dont have the LBs, lord knows we have enough Dlineman.

 

 

They don't adapt!! That's why I call McDermott "Marv 2.0". Marv refused to adapt to what the Giants were doing in SBXXV. Jimmy Johnson said basically the same in the SB we were winning at halftime. A good coach adapt to what teams are doing to prevent you from excelling

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Zero Depth.  Bean has stacked average pocks upon average picks.    The D line rotation scares no one, and the OL is awful.  

We have depth in certain areas but it’s alarming in others.  
 

We can withstand injuries/covid to Hyde or Poyer, to Edmunds or Milano, to any other DL other than Star… to any other corner other than Tre.  
 

We can withstand injuries/covid to any of the RB’s, even to any of the WR’s (including Diggs).   We can withstand the loss of one OL, but not two… thus the devastating impact of losing Brown while Feliciano is already out.   We have six playable OL and then we drop off a cliff. 
 

Edited November 22, 2021 by SCBills

[Vod Kanockers]

47 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

We have a bunch of pre-Madonnas. 

One could argue that we also have a bunch of post-Madonnas on the team as well. 

[BhamBillsFan]

38 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

It’s about their football philosophy.  If you’re the more physical team, you always have a chance.  We are rarely the more physical team.  

I couldn't agree more! The players play like their coaches personality, and that appears to be even keel, take what you give me. They just don't seem to have any fight in them. I was at the Jacksonville game and I thought for sure that they'd come out of the tunnel the second half, and take the game over. There does not seem to be any urgency in the way they play either!! They try to be a finesse team, and it's rare that that works in the NFL.

[Trogdor]

Just now, BhamBillsFan said:

I couldn't agree more! The players play like their coaches personality, and that appears to be even keel, take what you give me. They just don't seem to have any fight in them. I was at the Jacksonville game and I thought for sure that they'd come out of the tunnel the second half, and take the game over. There does not seem to be any urgency in the way they play either!! They try to be a finesse team, and it's rare that that works in the NFL.

Time for a slightly less homicidal Incognito. Those types of guys set a tone. A defensive thumper helps too. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

The depth may be due to false sense of confidence as last two seasons had very few injuries, certainly not major ones so our depth wasn't tested very much.

 

Will say too, the two positions I was most worried about today was Star being out and two offensive lineman out.  Depth there is an issue, but still can't understand why the same top 7 looked so much better last year. 

 

Admittedly drafting two tackles hurt as they were drafted high enough 3rd and 5th, that couldn't risk cutting them, so had to place on 53.  Add five starters, not much room left for depth players.  They like Bates as he can play every position, so that only leaves one more slot.  Factor in limited money and you got what we got.

 

So now we have Doyle drafted high enough couldn't risk cutting him, but not good enough and experienced enough to play him either.  I really thought they'd have found a way to stash him on IR all year, maybe do a Tonya Harding on him or something.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

They just aren't playing good, complementary team football.

 

That's technically on McDermott but it's possible that the roster composition..........perhaps a tendency to select players with backgrounds and personalities that looked ideal for blind process following two years ago........NOW aren't responding well to a league with two different standards for handling Covid protocol.

 

They aren't playing like a team that trusts each other out on the field.

 

Undisciplined and selfish.

 

Not sure how McD is going to flip the switch..........but if I am playing this team my goal is to pull out all the stops early and watch them implode. 

   

[george c]

It’s pretty much key players choosing to not get vaxxed, therefore accountability/availability.

It can’t be very uplifting knowing some guys are out for relying on scientific research from TikTok..

[GETTOTHE50]

Coaching.

 

1. Sticking with the nickel defense works when the Bills are ahead. But they need to go to 3 linebackers to make sure to stop the run.

2. Special teams mistakes

3. Not establishing a ground game. Please start breida and get him involved early against the Saints.

 

All these are on McD. He hasnt adjusted the game plan all year and its painful to watch.

Edited November 22, 2021 by GETTOTHE50

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Players need to execute and hold onto to the ball. The coaches can only do so much.

 

I think you're right on the depth perspective. We need better space eaters at DT. The offensive line needs to revamped and I hope they address it in free agency. We need someone who can play NOW. 

The trenches of this team are lacking. I fully expect Beane to go all out this off-season.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[SoCal Deek]

This team is incredibly flawed as constructed. It’s done. Don’t get overly invested.

Edited November 22, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[Buffalo Barbarian]

9 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

They don't adapt!! That's why I call McDermott "Marv 2.0". Marv refused to adapt to what the Giants were doing in SBXXV. Jimmy Johnson said basically the same in the SB we were winning at halftime. A good coach adapt to what teams are doing to prevent you from excelling

 

They seem to take a few games to adapt, i dont know why. We actually adapted last week against the jets but then we abandoned it this week, made no sense. Its like Dabol want to play Air-raid  all the time.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Time for a slightly less homicidal Incognito. Those types of guys set a tone. A defensive thumper helps too. 

 

Ill take Ritchie back and Wyatt Teller