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Jon Gruden suing the NFL, Roger Goodell


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Imagine a world where all people who were fired or resigned, because they did something that other employees did, but didn't get in trouble for, are given huge settlements.  First, it creates a zero tolerance policy for ALL work policies/practices, and then requires the employer to fully disclose all misdeeds by all employees equally in a timely manner.  I hope there's a ton of money in that infrastructure for courthouses and law schools.  If his own union didn't stick up for him, and he admitted to the wrong-doing, then this is just sour grapes to get a settlement.  If I were him, I'd be mad, but this kinda stuff happens to people every day, and I don't think the court system untintentionally setting some kind of impossible to manage equal justice for fired employees policies is the answer.  There was no slander or libel here.  These were his own words, so there's no defamation.

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Pretty sure the rest of the 650,000 emails contain some incriminating statements involving owners in the NFL. What a blunder by Goodell. Regardless of what Chucky said or did, it's pretty obvious the NFL is hiding something. I don't imagine Chuck is going for money, he's going for the jugular. No closed door settlement coming. Have fun Roger. 

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41 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

Pretty sure the rest of the 650,000 emails contain some incriminating statements involving owners in the NFL. What a blunder by Goodell. Regardless of what Chucky said or did, it's pretty obvious the NFL is hiding something. I don't imagine Chuck is going for money, he's going for the jugular. No closed door settlement coming. Have fun Roger. 

Does Chucky have the emails?  Does he have a legal right to them?  Would he be able to subpeona them?  These are all important questions.  One would think that, because he filed suit he has them, but the NFL lawyers aren't going to go down easy if he wants to play hardball.  I'm guessing he may have some, and wants settlement money.

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13 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Doesn't change anything about Chuckie, just pulls more people including Goodell down into the sewer.

Sounds like somebody must fall on their sword and money will change hands.

 

It's amazing some people are ok with calling Gruden "Chuckie".

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5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

You mean other than negotiate the largest TV contracts in history?  

Or made the NFL the most lucrative in sports in history, or taken over for the nightmare of the CTE scandal that Tags was all too happy to let Goodell clean up his mess, and so on.  Goodell is not exactly warm and fuzzy, but he works for the owners, not us and has made them achieve their #1 goal, make a profit (you know like every other corporation on the world).

 

Gruden may be right he was selectively targeted, but none of us know how this stuff came out.  For all we know it could be someone in the FBI as they were leading this investigation.

 

im sure there are a lot of bad guys not outed to date, and maybe they will never know.  I am not a fan of Gruden at all, but people had to see these claims coming.

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1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

the whole thing teaches an important lesson:  be careful what you say in an email as emails can be out there and accessible for a very long time once sent.  

Not just emails but texts, phone calls and even open air conversations are now being secretly recorded a lot of the time. There are cameras in businesses, residences, cars and on public streets. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if people started reading your minds and publishing your thoughts in a few years.

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19 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Good for him. The precedent this type of thing sets is extremely dangerous. Nobody is perfect. 

You can't go ruining peoples livelihood for saying naughty words. 

Corrective action? Yes. Canceling? Unjust. What an overcorrective, hyper judgemental society we've become. 

You are a wise man and I share your feelings exactly. I think there is a lot more to the story here, Roger Goodell appears to be plugging a few leaks before the dam breaks.

 

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32 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Well. The NFL has been trying to increase fan interest, during the off season.

:flirt:

 

If this was to go to court I have a feeling alot of fans and players will be shocked at the e-mail. This is a different time now.

Its best to settle with Gruden and move on....The guy was a bit of a jerk both on camera and off

 

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18 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Good for Chucky

Goodell has done nothing good for the NFL. He can’t leave the commissioner’s office soon enough for me!

Well, there's always this:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193457/total-league-revenue-of-the-nfl-since-2005/

 

It's a business, not a public service. I have to assume the owners love the bottom line results or they wouldn't keep re-upping him.

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2 hours ago, nucci said:

Soviets don't do character assassinations...they do real ones

 

You know, that was exactly my thought.  I don't think the Soviets ever troubled to assassinate character.

1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Good for him. The precedent this type of thing sets is extremely dangerous. Nobody is perfect. 

You can't go ruining peoples livelihood for saying naughty words. 

Corrective action? Yes. Canceling? Unjust. What an overcorrective, hyper judgemental society we've become. 

 

I don't think it's the "naughty words" that did it for Gruden.

 

It was what he said about Goodell.

 

Show me a business, anywhere, anytime, where it was acceptable to "piss in the Boss's Wheaties" like that.

 

I'll hang up and wait. 

 

No, I lie; I won't wait, because you can't.

 

It's never been acceptable, any time, any where, and it's a "fairy story" that it has anything to do with "society we've become".  If anything, we're now more tolerant of disrespect towards authority.

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1 hour ago, White Linen said:

 

So it's not inappropriate to comment on how someone looks?  

No it is not inappropriate only to the new woke culture. 

Paul Rudd, sexiest man of the year

Whitey Ford

Moose Skowron

Jerry Mathers as "the Beaver" Cleaver.

Popeye Jones

Bucky Dent

 

Look, I am not oblivious to names used in 2021, and I could gave said

Mr. Gruden and been quite respectful of a guy who clearly is undeserving of the respect. He has always been over the top, exaggerates and ridicules frequently. 

My apology if I offended you, and your principles. 

 

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46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You know, that was exactly my thought.  I don't think the Soviets ever troubled to assassinate character.

 

I don't think it's the "naughty words" that did it for Gruden.

 

It was what he said about Goodell.

 

Show me a business, anywhere, anytime, where it was acceptable to "piss in the Boss's Wheaties" like that.

 

I'll hang up and wait. 

 

No, I lie; I won't wait, because you can't.

 

It's never been acceptable, any time, any where, and it's a "fairy story" that it has anything to do with "society we've become".  If anything, we're now more tolerant of disrespect towards authority.

Also it'd be a legit question how he could possibly work with the female refs that are now in the league or with his own locker room that has rallied around their gay teammate.

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If the NFL releases any emails, or actually pursues any legal action against the team they supposedly targeted, this lawsuit doesn’t happen. 

 

The fact that they won’t release any emails even to assist the sexual abuse cases makes it even more suspicious.

 

Chucky most likely can’t prove that it was an intentional leak though but it definitely looks shady. And, as most people have asked, why Gruden of all people? Because he resisted Demaurice Smith and the NFLPU?

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This hits on what I was wondering about from the beginning of all this...around a week or 2 before Gruden got fired from the Raiders...

 

Namely, why?  Why this?  Why now?  Why Gruden?  Why not anyone else?

 

The whole thing absolutely wreaks of some type of personal vengeance plot against Gruden.

 

The fact of the matter is Gruden is a cocky, egotistical maniac and I think he made a lot of enemies around the league for a long time when he was a coach in the old days.

 

He spent most of his time on the MNF broadcasts kissing ass around the league and trying to get back on good terms so he could re-enter the coaching ranks.

 

I assume he has a lot of enemies.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You know, that was exactly my thought.  I don't think the Soviets ever troubled to assassinate character.

 

I don't think it's the "naughty words" that did it for Gruden.

 

It was what he said about Goodell.

 

Show me a business, anywhere, anytime, where it was acceptable to "piss in the Boss's Wheaties" like that.

 

I'll hang up and wait. 

 

No, I lie; I won't wait, because you can't.

 

It's never been acceptable, any time, any where, and it's a "fairy story" that it has anything to do with "society we've become".  If anything, we're now more tolerant of disrespect towards authority.

Gruden did not work for Goddell or the NFL. He was employed by the Raiders.  So he didn’t “piss in the boss’s Wheaties…”

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19 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 None of this changes the fact that Chucks wrote emails that were misogynistic , homophobic , and racist .   And to make it even more awesome , he wrote them on systems where there is no expectation of privacy .   

What Chucky did was wrong for multiple reasons, but he’s probably getting a settlement because I’m willing to bet there is a lot more dirty out there. I doubt the NFL wants that in the light. 

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