Warcodered Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Ruggs has a 1 year old daughter. Just an awful situation for him, the victim and their family and now his young family. Call an uber everyone There are no winners just an awful situation all around. 1 minute ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Your right, Ruggs is not you or I and in this world money does the talking…the guy you know is an everyday “Joe” and he did 2 1/2…then Ruggs probably gets probation and a fine(that’s what I’m expecting anyway,) and a year from now we will hear Chris Collinsworth giving him verbal BJs on Sunday Night Football telling people how rehabilitated he is and that it’s just a huge success story. It’s just gross and this man should be out of football for life, just as the family of the individual he killed will suffer….for life. That can also work against him to an extent, nobody is going to hear about Joe Nobody, not true for Ruggs the Judge is going to be aware of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Levy Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 https://www.ktnv.com/sports/raiders/metro-pd-raiders-henry-ruggs-iii-to-face-charges-for-deadly-dui-crash-in-west-las-vegas My coworker lives right off Rainbow Blvd. Said the car was still on fire at 5:30am. Speculating that he rear ended the Rav4 at a high rate of speed. Dude is screwed... jail for years I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 It's only 2 to 20 years in sentence range. Can you imagine he gets 2 years and is out? That would be crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Blainorama5 said: If he stayed on scene - how 'bout trying to get the other drive OUT?? Boy o boy, this is gonna get really rough for this kid - no matter how it turns out. Let alone the friends and family of the driver who died. Just awful! He broke his hip I thought it said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Leanard Little...anyone remember him, killed someone on DUI then came back to the NFL and got more DUI's. Donte Stallworth is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) Absolutely tragic. Im curious about the investigation though. I would have to assume that if he showed signs of impairment at the scene that police would’ve secured his blood at the hospital to determine its drug or alcohol content. Edited November 2, 2021 by Bangarang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, appoo said: we'll have to see what "showed signs of impairment" means He went to the hospital for treatment. The cops probably got a warrant and requested blood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Years in jail, likely millions in a civil suit and he has to reconcile the fact he erased someone from the planet through his own negligent actions. Please take an uber when you drink guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: He went to the hospital for treatment. The cops probably got a warrant and requested blood. They would have said that and not "showed signs of impairment". They wouldn't hide a blood test which showed he was legally drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Absolutely tragic. Im curios about the investigation though. I would have to assume that if he showed signs of impairment at the scene that police would’ve secured his blood at the hospital to determine its drug or alcohol content. Correct. Somehow it takes months to get results back and complete an investigation in MO when the Superbowl winning HC's son is involved, but 6-7 hrs is enough in Nevada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Driving drunk is an intentional act. I hope he spends years in prison. he has more resources to avoid this than the average person. That poor family…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, appoo said: They would have said that and not "showed signs of impairment". They wouldn't hide a blood test which showed he was legally drunk Results for blood tests aren’t an immediate thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, Bangarang said: Results for blood tests aren’t an immediate thing. Right, but in a hospital the results are pretty fast depending on the test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Herc11 said: Right, but in a hospital the results are pretty fast depending on the test. The hospital typically wouldn’t be in charge of doing the test. The investigating agency likely has its own forensic lab that will handle it. Edited November 2, 2021 by Bangarang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: It's only 2 to 20 years in sentence range. Can you imagine he gets 2 years and is out? That would be crazy This may sound cruel but I don't like the idea of two young lives being ruined. Hence the 20 years max prison sentence. Regardless, Ruggs will have to live with this the rest of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Correct. Somehow it takes months to get results back and complete an investigation in MO when the Superbowl winning HC's son is involved, but 6-7 hrs is enough in Nevada. In accidents involving death or serious physical injury, the handling agency could also have an accident investigation unit involved. There’s usually a lot of moving parts when putting cases like this together and it’s usually not as simple as “Vehicle A was rear ended by Vehicle B”. If it’s anything like where I work, the accident investigation unit will get Ruggs’ cell phone as well as the vehicles electronics. Those reports can take some time. Edited November 2, 2021 by Bangarang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: In accidents involving death or serious physical injury, the handling agency could also have an accident investigation unit involved. There’s usually a lot of moving parts when putting cases like this together and it’s usually not as simple as “Vehicle A was rear ended by Vehicle B”. If it’s anything like where I work, the accident investigation unit will get Ruggs’ cell phone as well as the vehicles electronics. Those reports can take some time. I agree, my point is to compare the lengthy investigation and reluctance to discuss charges in KC vs. hearing the very next day that DUI resulting in death charges are expected against Ruggs. It seems rushed. It could be the difference between states and cities of course. Perhaps LV has learned to handle DUI investigations more expeditiously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The hospital typically wouldn’t be in charge of doing the test. The investigating agency likely has its own forensic lab that will handle it. If Ruggs is in the hospital due to the broken hip, they absolutely would use the hospital to draw and result the lab test. Of course they would require a warrant before the hospital can take the labs. BTW, I am an RN in the ICU 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But he's 22yo. It's a sad situation all around. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, Process said: What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But it's a sad situation all around. That's why I think the best post on the whole thread has been the guy pointing out that it's a problem DUI is treated so very differently whether it does or doesn't result in a serious accident with injuries/death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) I’m not defending Ruggs, but this thread is judge, jury and executioner all in one thread a 1/2 day after the accident. Funny, when one of our own was caught drag racing on Milestrip Rd(and luckily hit a tree instead of another car), there was a whole bunch of chalking it up to being a “troubled youth” who had to deal with much adversity growing up. Edited November 2, 2021 by BTB 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 If they get rid of Gruden over emails, they have to get rid of the guy who killed someone 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 42 minutes ago, Process said: What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But he's 22yo. It's a sad situation all around. Totally agree. I wonder what % of people would fail a breathalyzer test leaving a Bills home game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Herc11 said: If Ruggs is in the hospital due to the broken hip, they absolutely would use the hospital to draw and result the lab test. Of course they would require a warrant before the hospital can take the labs. BTW, I am an RN in the ICU The police would definitely get his blood from the hospital, either voluntarily or with a warrant. In my experience though, the blood work is done by the department’s forensic lab, especially if it’s an agency with those kind of resources. Edited November 2, 2021 by Bangarang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: If they get rid of Gruden over emails, they have to get rid of the guy who killed someone K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Process said: What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But he's 22yo. It's a sad situation all around. Very sad. My heart breaks for everyone involved. Someone just driving and then bam, life over. Family loses a loved one in an instant I can’t imagine what Ruggs must be feeling and everyone else involved. He has a young daughter, his career is likely over and he now has to live with the fact a person is dead because of his actions. It’s an awful awful situation He deserves to be punished and harshly, but I do think of the human in him during this. He is just 22. It’s just awful everything from every angle 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Process said: What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But he's 22yo. It's a sad situation all around. lots of people commit crimes that are never caught. Doesn’t mean that you give lesser sentences to the people who get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Process said: What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But he's 22yo. It's a sad situation all around. The Drunk Driving defense force here is really gross. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, BTB said: I’m not defending Ruggs, but this thread is judge, jury and executioner all in one thread a 1/2 day after the accident. Funny, when one of our own was caught drag racing on Milestrip Rd(and luckily hit a tree instead of another car), there was a whole bunch of chalking it up to being a “troubled youth” who had to deal with much adversity growing up. Funny? Did he kill another human being while drag racing? Apples & Oranges. 2 hours ago, Process said: What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But he's 22yo. It's a sad situation all around. What percentage of those same people have killed another human being while driving under the influence? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Process said: What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But he's 22yo. It's a sad situation all around. How many people have you killed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Your right, Ruggs is not you or I and in this world money does the talking…the guy you know is an everyday “Joe” and he did 2 1/2…then Ruggs probably gets probation and a fine(that’s what I’m expecting anyway,) and a year from now we will hear Chris Collinsworth giving him verbal BJs on Sunday Night Football telling people how rehabilitated he is and that it’s just a huge success story. It’s just gross and this man should be out of football for life, just as the family of the individual he killed will suffer….for life. Probation isn't an option for this charge. He does 2-20. His lawyer isn't getting him off and there's likely little reason for the DA to plead it down. He's done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 hours ago, mattynh said: Leanard Little...anyone remember him, killed someone on DUI then came back to the NFL and got more DUI's. Donte Stallworth is another. I remember, just looked him up. He got 4 years probation & 1000 hrs community service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Little#Manslaughter_conviction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Process said: What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But he's 22yo. It's a sad situation all around. What percentage of those same people have killed another human being while driving under the influence? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Probation isn't an option for this charge. He does 2-20. His lawyer isn't getting him off and there's likely little reason for the DA to plead it down. He's done. realistically, if shooting in the dark completely… somewhat viable odds he gets 2 years- reduced with good behavior. Misses this year and next… and then maybe he comes back. For tryouts for the 2023 season. but it’s too early to say how likely it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Will the Raiders release him or is he going to be in limbo like Deshaun Watson? His trial might not be until next year. Realistically speaking, he'll be a Patriot, Chief, or Cowboy in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Throw the book at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, BTB said: I’m not defending Ruggs, but this thread is judge, jury and executioner all in one thread a 1/2 day after the accident. Funny, when one of our own was caught drag racing on Milestrip Rd(and luckily hit a tree instead of another car), there was a whole bunch of chalking it up to being a “troubled youth” who had to deal with much adversity growing up. I’m honestly asking, because I don’t know - was this some kind of (for lack of a better phrase) “ordinary accident”? Or was this a wild act of stupidity (beyond drinking and driving)? The hour alone tells you bad judgment was involved beyond just drinking and driving. I know someone who got plastered on St Patricks Day and drove the wrong way up a divided highway and killed a guy. Yep, REALLY bad. Should that be viewed differently than a guy who blew a .082 and tried to get thru a yellow light hurting or killing someone? The act could be less egregious, with a more horrific outcome. There has to be some way to balance the act and the outcome, and I honestly don’t know how that should work. There are comments about viewing it differently because someone died. Drag racing could be inherently more dangerous than what was going on in this situation, but they just got luckier. I guess luck is a huge factor in our lives. The smarter you are, the luckier you tend to be. I know of two cases where pedestrians died and nobody was charged (no alcohol involved). There is always a rush to judgment when I think we should be looking for more information before having any firm opinion regarding events we know so little about. . Edited November 3, 2021 by Augie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Process said: What % of people calling for a maximum sentence and for him to rot in prison do you think have driven when they shouldn't have at least once in their life? 90%+? Yes he messed up. Yes he should be punished and spend time in jail. But he's 22yo. It's a sad situation all around. He killed someone. Big difference than being buzzed and getting pulled over for a broken taillight etc. he hit that car so hard he caused it to catch fire. Did you see the pictures. Wasn’t a love tap will be dependent on “ how much above” he was even though over is over. I do agree that many if not most have driven that shouldn’t have. Been there myself but not to the point I’m driving fast and reckless. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: The police would definitely get his blood from the hospital, either voluntarily or with a warrant. In my experience though, the blood work is done by the department’s forensic lab, especially if it’s an agency with those kind of resources. In California, the police sometimes supply a kit that its drawn with that meets the specific requirements for chain of custody etc. Sometimes its pulled with that kit and passed on to the police, but often is run by the hospital lab to prevent it from hemolyzing before its able to get tested. If they wait to long and it does hemolyze then they'd have to draw again. Time is crucial since the body is actively metabolizing the alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m honestly asking, because I don’t know - was this some kind of (for lack of a better phrase) “ordinary accident”? Or was this a wild act of stupidity (beyond drinking and driving)? The hour alone tells you bad judgment was involved beyond just drinking and driving. I know someone who got plastered on St Patricks Day and drove the wrong way up a divided highway and killed a guy. Yep, REALLY bad. Should that be viewed differently than a guy who blew a .082 and tried to get thru a yellow light hurting or killing someone? The act could be less egregious, with a more horrific outcome. There has to be some way to balance the act and the outcome, and I honestly don’t know how that should work. I know of two cases where pedestrians died and nobody was charged (no alcohol involved). There are comments about viewing it differently because someone died. Drag racing could be inherently more dangerous than what was going on in this situation, but they just got luckier. I guess luck is a huge factor in our lives. The smarter you are, the luckier you tend to be. There is always a rush to judgment when I think we should be looking for more information before having any firm opinion regarding events we know so little about. Doubt we'll get any more information than what has already been released. The philosophical questions of just how bad this is will be argued between lawyers from now on. The rest of us will just have to wrestle with our own scale of criminality on this one. Personally, I have no perspective since I've been lucky enough not to know anyone who has experienced either side of this tragedy, so my first reaction was football related... Edited November 3, 2021 by unbillievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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