MarlinTheMagician Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I ain't complaining, but he has to be one of the best values on the team. Give the man a little green and keep him next to Johnson and White for three years. Might not take too much. He gives up a little, but almost always is doing the right thing. Love the guy. 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 It's going to get to the point where you can't pay everyone. You dont pay Robin. You pay Batman. Wallace is Robin. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 if we can get Wallace on a good deal that would be fantastic. The secondary was all on the same page last night. Playing together for about 3 years now and were able to contain all the KC weapons even on a play where Mahomes had 8 seconds to throw. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 This is not going to be a popular take. Half the people here thinks he stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 People on this board always expect a CB2 to play like a CB1 which is just not realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 Half the people are crazy 80% of the time. Doing my best Yogi Berra. He has held off like 4 or 5 competitors, including a former first round pick, a former Pro Bowler and one of our own draft picks. Pay the man. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I wouldnt mind them giving him a 1-2 year deal. However, if the Bills think Dane Jackson can play his role next year and possibly work in a rookie the year after, it wouldnt make sense to offer him right now. For someone like Wallace who is good, but not great you wait and see what the open market brings him because right now you're only competing against yourself. You gamble on a player like Levi, bet he isnt going to get what he is worth on the market and bring him back at a lower price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: This is not going to be a popular take. Half the people here thinks he stinks. He's having a good year but I think he's still one of our most upgradeable starters. It'd be great if we could resign him to a cheap 2 year deal and then draft and develop a corner with higher upside. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I think he's definitely valuable, but you can't pay everyone. If he's willing to take a cheap deal, go for it. We need to do a better job of investing in the CB position in the draft though, soon. Not enough quality depth. Rounds 3-7 would love to see at least another 1-2. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: if we can get Wallace on a good deal that would be fantastic. The secondary was all on the same page last night. Playing together for about 3 years now and were able to contain all the KC weapons even on a play where Mahomes had 8 seconds to throw. Yes, but according to Collinsoworthless, those 8 seconds of throwing time were all about great protection from his OLine and had little to do with fine secondary play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 We were able to get him back dirt cheap this year for a reason and pretty sure we can do the same next year if need be. Either way I still think CB is a position that needs to be upgraded in the offseason, likely in the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I’m on board with a reasonable extension. 3 years worth $12m maybe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Move Ford to CB2. Easy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I kind of want to draft a CB2 next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: I’m on board with a reasonable extension. 3 years worth $12m maybe. I believe that is his worth on the FA market as of now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 And pay Knox and Sanders and Diggs and Star and Edmunds and Singletary and McKenzie and yeah. We can’t pay everyone. Levi has been great this season. The improved DL has made a positive impact on his play. If he’d be happy with 3-4M a year and Beane is ok paying him that much, I could see it working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 We just have a DB 8 million a year......we are about to start paying a franchise QB Cant keep everyone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Anybody know what the projected salary cap will be next year? I know the Bills can’t pay everyone but isn’t supposed to go up like $25m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: This is not going to be a popular take. Half the people here thinks he stinks. Well when they cut him and Edmunds most of the excellent GM’s here will be ecstatic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 good debate - paying Levi a FA market value, versus say drafting a CB in the first or second round and saving x amt ??? can we pay two starting boundry CBs that much as well as what we are going to pay Taron as the NCB...hey its a passing league so why not can you pay the DBs all that much and all those DLs that we rotate as well as Milano and Tremaine's big contract...and thats only the D !?!?! there has to be a limit and someone is going to walk at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I think of it this way, how do the Bills draft next year? Is (fairly) expensive first round CB a better investment than low dollar Levi? Second round? I would say G or C are more valuable late first and/or second. Most likely any FA CB2 would be expensive. I think it would make sense to extend Levi. Just now, Max Fischer said: I think of it this way, how do the Bills draft next year? Is a (fairly) expensive first round CB a better investment than low dollar Levi? Second round? I would say G or C are more valuable late first and/or second. Most likely any FA CB2 would be expensive. I think it would make sense to extend Levi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: Anybody know what the projected salary cap will be next year? I know the Bills can’t pay everyone but isn’t supposed to go up like $25m. The NFL/NFLPA have agreed to a $208.2M 2022 Salary Cap. Spotrac is already using that number for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 49 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said: I ain't complaining, but he has to be one of the best values on the team. Give the man a little green and keep him next to Johnson and White for three years. Might not take too much. He gives up a little, but almost always is doing the right thing. Love the guy. Not until he becomes a better tackler😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I wouldn't re-sign him. He's a valuable starter for us because he is cheap and tackles well. You don't have to pay that type of player, you pay your playmakers. Draft replacement for CB2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 The better our pass rush, the better the Secondary looks because it causes QB's to make rushed decisions, throw off balance, and not be comfortable with what they are doing in the pocket. We don't have big sack numbers this year, but our guys have been way more disruptive than in 2019/2020. The Secondary is the biggest beneficiary of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I'm expecting the Bills to take a cb with the 32nd pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I kind of want to draft a CB2 next year. As much as I’d like to do this, I think we are two more draft from seeing a high pick at DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I think Levi knows his value is higher on the bills than in other defensive schemes and the Bills know that as well. Keep in mind he will have a tough time against teams with a big time Qb and multiple great WRs like Tampa. I think he’s having a good year so far though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, without a drought said: I'm expecting the Bills to take a cb with the 32nd pick. So am I—it would be a good compliment age and cap-wise with Tre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said: I ain't complaining, but he has to be one of the best values on the team. Give the man a little green and keep him next to Johnson and White for three years. Might not take too much. He gives up a little, but almost always is doing the right thing. Love the guy. Not opposed to extending him, but I’d prefer Beane continue to look for an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Draft one in first 3 rounds - look at affordable UFAs - and give Jackson a shot. For me the needs are G/C, LB, CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: As much as I’d like to do this, I think we are two more draft from seeing a high pick at DB. I would bet money on them drafting a CB in the 1st 2 rounds next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 At the right price yes. But at some point they need to make choices on who gets paid. I think Taron was more important to sign. Also think Diggs needs a pay raise and they should bring back Sanders. Hughes and Addison will probably be let go so there will be some cap savings there. H. Phillips and Ford are probably on their way out too. Who knows what happens with Beasley. They have Davis, Bass, Brown, and Knox on cheap deals. Edmunds will want top 3 LInebacker money if he makes another ProBowl. If Star keeps playing as he has they will bring him back too. Levi might be odd man out. Some team may overpay for him and net the Bills a 4th or 5th round comp pick. Just like they did with Spencer Brown they will need to find a guy each draft that can be a starter somewhere to maintain cap flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, without a drought said: I'm expecting the Bills to take a cb with the 32nd pick. Hard pass. McD is a secondary guru. If Levi isn't back, draft a mid-round guy 3rd/4th/5th to compete with Dane. Pick 32 should be IOL, WR (depending on Sanders/Beasley) or DL (A guy like Jordan Davis would be a monster on this front). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I think instead you'll see a CB drafted in one of first two rounds and have Jackson as backup and T Johnson for nickel. To me CB, DT, and interior line are their biggest draft needs. Could draft DT and CB in 1st two, then guard/center. They way Star is playing it probably makes sense to bring him back for another season, but could draft his replacement in 2nd or 3rd and let him sit a year as sub. Not sure you could sign someone for better value when you ad in the dead cap money you'd be paying Star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Levi knows his value is higher on the bills than in other defensive schemes and the Bills know that as well. Keep in mind he will have a tough time against teams with a big time Qb and multiple great WRs like Tampa. I think he’s having a good year so far though. Teams do dumb stuff in free agency every year. Some zone team will throw silly money at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I would bet money on them drafting a CB in the 1st 2 rounds next year. If you look at McD’s history this doesn’t seem like the approach the Bills will take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, That's No Moon said: Teams do dumb stuff in free agency every year. Some zone team will throw silly money at him. Agree, especially starters from top level teams. If that happens it happens and maybe Beane gets a 5th round comp pick. Then again who really knows what will happen next March? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Levi knows his value is higher on the bills than in other defensive schemes and the Bills know that as well. Keep in mind he will have a tough time against teams with a big time Qb and multiple great WRs like Tampa. I think he’s having a good year so far though. I've been a big critic of him (especially after week one) but he's done fine since, albeit against mostly poor QBs/WR's until last night but he held his own. But at the end of the day you can't keep everyone and i'd gladly let him walk vs paying him a lot more. What little money we do have next year in FA will likely be allocated to resign other key veterans to cap friendly deals for what might be another SB run depending on what happens this year. Guys like Sanders, Hughes, Addison, Star L, all come to mind given their expiring contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I thought it was more important to keep Johnson but if they can find a way to keep Wallace I am fine with it. In the end the Bills will eventually have let players walk but let’s see how this season plays out before worrying about who to keep. 9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Agree, especially starters from top level teams. If that happens it happens and maybe Beane gets a 5th round comp pick. Then again who really knows what will happen next March? Who also knows how Levi finishes the season or if he gets hurt. Love to keep him but there are just so many variables with 12 regular season games to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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