Scott7975 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 I love Jim Kelly and I was fortunate enough to watch him play his entire career here. He was a great QB. Brady is better than Kelly was. I hate saying that but its true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 I'd go as far as to say Warren Moon was every bit as talented as JK, but played on worse teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Mikey152 said: Here’s what I struggle with when it comes to Brady…He is not and never has been the most impressive QB in any one specific trait amongst his peers. He wasn’t the most cerebral (manning), athletic (just about anybody), accurate (Brees), strongest armed (Rodgers, Flacco, Big Ben etc). You never really watching and just think “wow” So it’s really hard to accept him as the GOAT, for many of the same reasons he fell to the 6th round in the first place. So many guys SHOULD be better than him (and are certainly more gifted). But at the end of the day you can’t argue with results. He might not have huge strengths, but he doesn’t really have any glaring weakness either, and the one most people would agree he has (athleticism) isn’t really a prerequisite for the position in the right offense. I guess what I am trying to say is, he has easily had the greatest career of any qb ever…maybe any football player ever. But if you were building an all time fantasy league, I’m not sure he even gets drafted. He’s a Honda Accord. When you account for styling, fit and finish, reliability and cost, probably the greatest car in history. But nobody talks about how they’re gonna but one when they get rich. Emotional intelligence on the field I think is his strong suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 I think there is a sinister alternative motive for this post. Which is to get Bills fans to admit Brady was better. Shame on you sir. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Brady hands down and it's not even close. I'm just hoping Allen can top Brady at this phase in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I might have thought Manning was better at the point Brady won his first ring but after that I pretty much always thought Tom was better than Peyton. Manning might have been the greatest football brain to ever play behind center but I don't think all those 1 and done in the playoffs experiences can just be dismissed. When the pressure was highest Manning often struggled to produce his best play whereas Brady got better in those moments. Who would I take to beat a 3-7 team in week 11 by a handsome margin? Peyton Manning. Who would I take to beat an 11-5 team in the Divisional playoff round? Tom Brady. Every time. As time went on, Manning went downhill like almost everyone does. Brady hasn't yet, which is remarkable. Your observation that Brady was better than Manning after a certain point is accurate, but take into account that Manning is older and reached his peak before that time. That's a good point about winning regular season games vs playoff games, and which guy would be better in each situation. Most QBs struggle in the playoffs compared to their regular season performances (ref: Allen, Josh so far) and Manning was not an exception. Again, here's a point where Brady is clearly better than anyone else I can think of. Brady is just as effective in the playoffs as in the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: Admittedly I'm a huge Bills fan. My happiness is dependent upon them winning or losing a game. I will get that out of the way. And no...Kelly isn't close to Brady's accomplishments. But it's a team game. But...I have Kelly ahead of him all time. Why? Kelly faced fierce defenders and wasn't bailed out by refs. Kelly was innovative. The K gun offense changed football. And lastly, Kelly didn't cheat. No spygate or deflategate. I know I am going to be laughed at by some. But are there any of you that put Kelly>Brady all time? My top 5 QB's ever: Montana Manning Kelly Elway Marino It’s really hard to compare because of the era’s they played in. If Kelly played in 2021 he’d put up crazy numbers but then again, so would his contemporaries like Marino, Montana, Moon etc I will say this - if you can stomach Super Bowl there was so much pass interference and roughing the passer plays which weren’t called. At the time the non-calls were extremely questionable, today they would be egregious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Utah John said: As time went on, Manning went downhill like almost everyone does. Brady hasn't yet, which is remarkable. Your observation that Brady was better than Manning after a certain point is accurate, but take into account that Manning is older and reached his peak before that time. That's a good point about winning regular season games vs playoff games, and which guy would be better in each situation. Most QBs struggle in the playoffs compared to their regular season performances (ref: Allen, Josh so far) and Manning was not an exception. Again, here's a point where Brady is clearly better than anyone else I can think of. Brady is just as effective in the playoffs as in the regular season. Actually Manning only had one bad downhill season, his final season. He fell off a cliff...he was elite every year up to that final season...ironically, he won his 2nd SB that year behind the Broncos D and Run game, and he was the lowest rated passer for a winning SB QB in history and was ranked I believe 31st in the NFL in passing that year as well during the regular season. Year before, they were a dominant arial attack still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Just some eye candy for the debate. The amazing accuracy of Jim Kelly he reminds me of ..wait for it.. Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: Admittedly I'm a huge Bills fan. My happiness is dependent upon them winning or losing a game. I will get that out of the way. And no...Kelly isn't close to Brady's accomplishments. But it's a team game. But...I have Kelly ahead of him all time. Why? Kelly faced fierce defenders and wasn't bailed out by refs. Kelly was innovative. The K gun offense changed football. And lastly, Kelly didn't cheat. No spygate or deflategate. I know I am going to be laughed at by some. But are there any of you that put Kelly>Brady all time? My top 5 QB's ever: Montana Manning Kelly Elway Marino Don't think I can edit the title of a post, if I could I'd change it to Kelly was tougher than Brady. That would be the one thing that's true, the rest is just wishful thinking or dreaming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I love Jim Kelly but honestly not a chance, I could honestly understand people who would say he’s one of the most overrated QBs of all time. Couldn’t win the big game, injured a lot. Team had a lot of success with Reich in there which doesn’t help his cause either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 As someone who is old enough to have seen Kelly play...I think he was a very good QB, on a very good team. Certainly, he was unquestionably, one of the best of his era...but like many posters here....I don't think he cracks a top 10 all time. That isn't an indictment on Kelly....its just that there were guys better than him. Personally, I HATE the Denver Broncos...HATE them....but I still rank John Elway No.1 All time. He was a combo of cannon arm, mobility, escapability, CLUTCH, and charismatic all in one. His first 3 super bowl teams were bad rosters that he shouldered to title games. If he played today, he'd be in a Mahomes/Allen category of the do it all, face of the franchise, faced of the leauge type QB. Brady....his one super premium trait...and I've never seen anyone better at it....hanging in a pocket, working and moving around in a closet, while keeping his eyes downfield and executing....other than that...his traits are all average....he's been clutch, and he's also benefited from some 50/50 situations, wierd calls etc...more frequently than the averages say he should have. Results are results....he's the most "accomplished" QB ever. My top 5 1. Elway - The best I ever saw who combined cannon arm, charisma, mobility, escapability and CLUTCH all in one. 2. Marino - Lit it up in the air in an era where the NFL was still a RB driven leauge. Quickest release I've ever seen. 3. Mahomes (yeah, call me biased) The current version of an Elway type. 4. Fran Tarkenton - The original Elway....a guy who was mobile, had a great arm and was the whole package...never won a SB or he'd be talked about alot more. 5. Steve Young - Another guy who combined the entire set of traits into one....great runner, strong arm, and efficient. Josh Allen is right in the groove here ready to move into my top 5...he's right in that Elway/Steve Young/Tarkenton/Mahomes type....the guy that has elite traits, and does it all....has charisma...etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 7 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: Admittedly I'm a huge Bills fan. My happiness is dependent upon them winning or losing a game. I will get that out of the way. And no...Kelly isn't close to Brady's accomplishments. But it's a team game. But...I have Kelly ahead of him all time. Why? Kelly faced fierce defenders and wasn't bailed out by refs. Kelly was innovative. The K gun offense changed football. And lastly, Kelly didn't cheat. No spygate or deflategate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ghost_002! Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) It's untrue to say Brady, Manning..etc did not play in a "tough era" of football. The rule changes to QBs started in 06. They were already playing and winning then. 5 hours ago, Mikey152 said: Here’s what I struggle with when it comes to Brady…He is not and never has been the most impressive QB in any one specific trait amongst his peers. He wasn’t the most cerebral (manning), athletic (just about anybody), accurate (Brees), strongest armed (Rodgers, Flacco, Big Ben etc). You never really watching and just think “wow” So it’s really hard to accept him as the GOAT, for many of the same reasons he fell to the 6th round in the first place. So many guys SHOULD be better than him (and are certainly more gifted). But at the end of the day you can’t argue with results. He might not have huge strengths, but he doesn’t really have any glaring weakness either, and the one most people would agree he has (athleticism) isn’t really a prerequisite for the position in the right offense. I guess what I am trying to say is, he has easily had the greatest career of any qb ever…maybe any football player ever. But if you were building an all time fantasy league, I’m not sure he even gets drafted. He’s a Honda Accord. When you account for styling, fit and finish, reliability and cost, probably the greatest car in history. But nobody talks about how they’re gonna but one when they get rich. That's the thing. To play as a QB in the NFL what matters most is that thing between your ears. The ability is a small part of the equation. As cerebral as Manning was...he didnt perform as great in the playoffs as he did in the regular season. Edited September 6, 2021 by Ghost_002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: As someone who is old enough to have seen Kelly play...I think he was a very good QB, on a very good team. Certainly, he was unquestionably, one of the best of his era...but like many posters here....I don't think he cracks a top 10 all time. That isn't an indictment on Kelly....its just that there were guys better than him. Personally, I HATE the Denver Broncos...HATE them....but I still rank John Elway No.1 All time. He was a combo of cannon arm, mobility, escapability, CLUTCH, and charismatic all in one. His first 3 super bowl teams were bad rosters that he shouldered to title games. If he played today, he'd be in a Mahomes/Allen category of the do it all, face of the franchise, faced of the leauge type QB. Brady....his one super premium trait...and I've never seen anyone better at it....hanging in a pocket, working and moving around in a closet, while keeping his eyes downfield and executing....other than that...his traits are all average....he's been clutch, and he's also benefited from some 50/50 situations, wierd calls etc...more frequently than the averages say he should have. Results are results....he's the most "accomplished" QB ever. My top 5 1. Elway - The best I ever saw who combined cannon arm, charisma, mobility, escapability and CLUTCH all in one. 2. Marino - Lit it up in the air in an era where the NFL was still a RB driven leauge. Quickest release I've ever seen. 3. Mahomes (yeah, call me biased) The current version of an Elway type. 4. Fran Tarkenton - The original Elway....a guy who was mobile, had a great arm and was the whole package...never won a SB or he'd be talked about alot more. 5. Steve Young - Another guy who combined the entire set of traits into one....great runner, strong arm, and efficient. Josh Allen is right in the groove here ready to move into my top 5...he's right in that Elway/Steve Young/Tarkenton/Mahomes type....the guy that has elite traits, and does it all....has charisma...etc.... Zero, I like you’re points and you know by avatar MGK is my favorite Bills QB all time, but maybe 10th overall. You’re forgetting Montana who is 4-0 in the SB, and Bart Starr who won 5 of 7 NFL Championships including the first two SB’s. Slow you’re roll on Mahomes. He is amazing, but he’s 1 and 1 so maybe in 10 years as he’s going to be duking it out with our guy for the next decade. I love Mahomes as a QB, but he could have catastrophic injuries in two years. I mean Luck if he stayed healthy would be one of the absolute best if he lasted another decade. I like you’re other guys. that’s why this is a barstool conversation that there will be a winner. It’s like Marciano would beat Ali in his prime. Can’t compare. Edited September 6, 2021 by machine gun kelly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 7 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: Jim Kelly isn’t even top 10 of all time. Probably not even top 15. If only he could have won at least one of those Super Bowls.. I hate it but this is true Kelly was a turn over Machine in big games picks fumbles you name it. Brady is the goat I use to say Montana just because I don’t like Brady but who can say that now if you watch football lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Lol you can tell this is a bunch of bills fans talking it up. Brady is the best NFL player ever not even close come on guys. Some of the stuff I’m reading you wouldn’t even pick Brady if you were building a all Star team lol really. In 20 years his been to the super bowl every another year and I think 13 Championship games just stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Jpsredemption said: Brady is the best to ever play the game hands down no debate. Not even close. Winning answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah…no. No disrespect, but this is terrible take. As much as I love Kelly, he isnt sniffing the top 5 all time, let alone better than Brady. And I grew up watching him play, he’s the main reason I became a massive Bills fan having never stepped foot in Buffalo. Your reasons why he’s better than Brady too are pretty weak and flimsy. Brady > Kelly Manning > Kelly Elway > Kelly Young > Kelly too Rodgers > Kelly as well I mean Mahomes is already better than Kelly and Josh is on his way to be as well. I love Jim Kelly, but he’s going to have a hard time of making the top 10, and no way is he In the top 5. I think somewhere between 10th and 20th all time is the right range for him. Despite being blasphemy to say so around here, Brady is the GOAT. The only QB remotely close to a claim is Montana. Third is a distant third to those two. My top 10 would be Brady Montana Rodgers Young Elway Unitas Manning Brees Marino Graham Personally I have Kelly in the top 15. You still have guys like Big Ben, Staubach, Starr, Aikman, and so on too that will garner votes as well in the top 15. A lot of people forget about Big Ben has the yards and stats been too 3 Super Bowls and won two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Brady and Montana are the best ever at QB. Kelly may be on the outside of top 20 soon. But right now I have right around 15. Here is my top 10 Brady, Montana, Manning, Favre, Elway, Marino, Brees, Young, Rodgers, Staubach for 11-15 I will start with some old-timers Unitius, Graham, Roethilisberger, Aikman, Kelly I have Kelly better than Dawson, Starr, Fouts, Bradshaw, Wilson, Tarkenton, and Warner(he doesn't even belong in the HOF but he is on some lists for top 25) for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah…no. No disrespect, but this is terrible take. As much as I love Kelly, he isnt sniffing the top 5 all time, let alone better than Brady. And I grew up watching him play, he’s the main reason I became a massive Bills fan having never stepped foot in Buffalo. Your reasons why he’s better than Brady too are pretty weak and flimsy. Brady > Kelly Manning > Kelly Elway > Kelly Young > Kelly too Rodgers > Kelly as well I mean Mahomes is already better than Kelly and Josh is on his way to be as well. I love Jim Kelly, but he’s going to have a hard time of making the top 10, and no way is he In the top 5. I think somewhere between 10th and 20th all time is the right range for him. Despite being blasphemy to say so around here, Brady is the GOAT. The only QB remotely close to a claim is Montana. Third is a distant third to those two. My top 10 would be Brady Montana Rodgers Young Elway Unitas Manning Brees Marino Graham Personally I have Kelly in the top 15. You still have guys like Big Ben, Staubach, Starr, Aikman, and so on too that will garner votes as well in the top 15. Ok Alpha, but would Kelly ever be caught dead rocking this scarf over a blue collar while carrying his lunch pail?? I’ll hang up and listen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Kelly was too much of a gambler. I remember screaming at my team many a time after an interception. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 4 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Ok Alpha, but would Kelly ever be caught dead rocking this scarf over a blue collar while carrying his lunch pail?? I’ll hang up and listen. Hell no haha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I appreciate your enthusiasm, and it does suck to say, but Brady holds the title. I'd say it goes even beyond football in terms of pure sport dominance. He's above Jordan at this point, second only to Gretzky in terms of pure *****outtahere. Brady Manning Montana Elway Rodgers (not a fan of this but if he keeps playing, c'mon) with Josh Allen lurking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I felt that Montana was the GOAT for many years but I have to begrudgingly state that Brady now wears that crown. As much as I love and admire Jim Kelly, he really isn't in that conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I love Jim Kelly and can’t stand Brady but . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Wrotto Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Good QB, a middle of the road player to be fair. Matt Ryan type at his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 9 hours ago, 97bills said: Lol you can tell this is a bunch of bills fans talking it up. Brady is the best NFL player ever not even close come on guys. Some of the stuff I’m reading you wouldn’t even pick Brady if you were building a all Star team lol really. In 20 years his been to the super bowl every another year and I think 13 Championship games just stop. Again, it depends on if you are trying to build a 'franchise' or a team. If I want a QB that will be with my team for 20 years..then yes, Brady. But I can honestly say, 100% that if I want to put together a 5 year run of an elite team, I'm taking Manning over Brady. Give me both of them at their peak, and Manning at most times was just unstoppable. A 20 year Franchise...Brady. I'm on a 5 year contract as a head coach and 27 year old Peyton Manning is avaialable...I take his next 5 peak years over Brady every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Jim didn't cheat, so he has that going for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 What an absolutely homer thing to say. Smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheBrownBear Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Haven't bothered reading the thread, but just...NO. NO NO NO NO NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Great QB. Hall of Fame caliber. That being said I wished for one Sunday a year he could've been better than: Jeff Hostedler Mark Rypien Troy Aikman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 20 hours ago, mjd1001 said: This is tough because how do you define the 'greatest qb'? As far as Brady vs Manning for me....at their absolute peak of their career Manning to me was for sure better than Brady. Take longevity into it and it goes to Brady over Manning. And Kelly? I was happy the Bills had one of the top QB's, but even as a Bills fan I never though of him as even the best in the league during his time. Marino and Montana to me were better than Kelly for sure. As far as more recent QB's, Rodgers, Brady, Manning , Brees, Mahomes are all better than Kelly. That isn't saying Kelly was bad to me, I just think he is in a category a step down from the above....more grouped with guys like Favre, Rivers, Eli Manning, Rothlesberger, Elway, Russel Wilson and others. Back then we were far less focused on stats. I knew Aikman was the leagues best qb for a few years back then, no matter how much I loved Jim, and it wasn't because of stats. It is what Aikman did in the biggest moments. If you watched the games back then, you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 22 hours ago, aristocrat said: Brady willed his defense to hold the chiefs to 9 points in the super bowl. They couldn’t have done it without him. They forget that everyone of his Super Bowl wins his teams were loaded on defense. Think of the Ravens/Tampa teams that won Super Bowls. All they needed was for their QB to NOT make mistakes. Yes, Brady has the rings but he had great defenses too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 48 minutes ago, foreboding said: Back then we were far less focused on stats. I knew Aikman was the leagues best qb for a few years back then, no matter how much I loved Jim, and it wasn't because of stats. It is what Aikman did in the biggest moments. If you watched the games back then, you know what I mean. Aikman was in a similar situation to Brady. Great defenses/offensive lines. Give ball to Emmitt/Irvin. Don't turn ball over. I don't remember Aikman bringing team back from 3 score deficits. I may be wrong though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 19 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: As someone who is old enough to have seen Kelly play...I think he was a very good QB, on a very good team. Certainly, he was unquestionably, one of the best of his era...but like many posters here....I don't think he cracks a top 10 all time. That isn't an indictment on Kelly....its just that there were guys better than him. Personally, I HATE the Denver Broncos...HATE them....but I still rank John Elway No.1 All time. He was a combo of cannon arm, mobility, escapability, CLUTCH, and charismatic all in one. His first 3 super bowl teams were bad rosters that he shouldered to title games. If he played today, he'd be in a Mahomes/Allen category of the do it all, face of the franchise, faced of the leauge type QB. Brady....his one super premium trait...and I've never seen anyone better at it....hanging in a pocket, working and moving around in a closet, while keeping his eyes downfield and executing....other than that...his traits are all average....he's been clutch, and he's also benefited from some 50/50 situations, wierd calls etc...more frequently than the averages say he should have. Results are results....he's the most "accomplished" QB ever. My top 5 1. Elway - The best I ever saw who combined cannon arm, charisma, mobility, escapability and CLUTCH all in one. 2. Marino - Lit it up in the air in an era where the NFL was still a RB driven leauge. Quickest release I've ever seen. 3. Mahomes (yeah, call me biased) The current version of an Elway type. 4. Fran Tarkenton - The original Elway....a guy who was mobile, had a great arm and was the whole package...never won a SB or he'd be talked about alot more. 5. Steve Young - Another guy who combined the entire set of traits into one....great runner, strong arm, and efficient. Josh Allen is right in the groove here ready to move into my top 5...he's right in that Elway/Steve Young/Tarkenton/Mahomes type....the guy that has elite traits, and does it all....has charisma...etc.... Kinda funny how Terry Bradshaw isn't even mentioned anymore... a guy who won 4 SBs. Montana won 4, Aikman 3. I suppose that's a good thing as I can't stand the Steelers or their fans. I even smiled when #55 took a penalty. Anyway...On a very good team!! How many hall of famers on those 90's Bills teams? There should be a few more too. Tasker, Hull, Bennett, and perhaps Ritcher, Wolford too. Neither Elway, nor Marino had a RB like Thurman Thomas who was so dominant at his position. Marshall Faulk before Marshall Faulk. Those early 90's Bills ran more than they threw a lot of those years. After Don Shula drafted Marino and watched what Danny could do with his arm... he forgot all about what won him his super bowls... a stout run game and defense. Kiick, Csonka, Morris along with a no name defense. There sat QB John Elway on a Denver team with an ex-NFL RB for a HC... then a DC for a HC. Finally, after Denver hired a decent OC as HC, who installed a top ground game and let Elway manage the game, the Broncos won some super bowls. Kinda like Manning with his last SB, win along with a great defense. Montana and Young came from that Bill Walsh WCO offensive scheme. Wanna know what Steve Young was like without that offense. Look at the 1986 Tampa Bay Bucs with no Jerry Rice. As much as I hate to say it, Brady is #1...the freaking GOAT! However, I must admit I did enjoy watching Brady win the SB...only because that Bucs D chased Mahomes for nearly 500 yards behind the LoS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) Stop. End this nonsense. At first I was thinking 89 represented Tasker, but now am thinking you may be 89, as you ignore Brady and Brees completely. If so, Congratulations! (And you are a Homer, of course!) Brady is maybe the best NFL player of all time, and almost assuredly the best quarterback. I too wish this were not the case, but it is very hard to deny. Those 'gates' you mention are just sour grapes. If there was any doubt how good Brady is it should have been erased this year by going to Tampa Bay and winning the Super Bowl in his first year, and he may go back this year (and lose to the Bills). Jim Kelly was an excellent quarterback and a great leader of a great Bills team for a long time. But Brady won SEVEN Super Bowls., his TEAMS did. So it is completely illogical for anyone to ever say Kelly is the better quarterback. Now, Josh Allen, that may be another story... Edited September 6, 2021 by Mister Defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Just now, Mister Defense said: Stop. End this nonsense. At first I was thinking 89 represented Tasker, but now am thinking you may be 89, as you ignore Brady and Brees completely. If so, Congratulations! (And you are a Homer, of course!) Brady is maybe the best NFL player of all time, and almost assuredly the best quarterback. I too wish this were not the case, but it is very hard to deny. Those 'gates' you mention are just sour grapes. If there was any doubt how good Brady is it should have been erased this year by going to Tampa Bay and winning the Super Bowl in his first year, and he may go back this year (and lose to the Bills). Jim Kelly was an excellent quarterback and a great leader of a great Bills team for a long time. But Brady won SIX Super Bowls., his TEAMS did. So it is completely illogical--for anyone to ever say Kelly is the better quarterback. Now, Josh Allen, that may be another story... Actually Brady has 7 rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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