Bills trading Daryll Johnson to the Panthers for 6th rd pick

[poblano]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Rousseau and Basham also slid inside quite a bit in College, so that alone doesn't make him so unique we have to keep him.

But the report is that Johnson has struggled in those duties.

 

 

 

Thus 

 

[JGMcD2]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Do we get to criticize Beane for giving Addison that horrible contract? He’s given out some terrible contracts to former Panthers.

Not a great deal. People are going to complain either way… needed to sign a DE… Addison was consistently productive in Carolina. What else was he supposed to do? 
 

It is what it is. We’ve got really good value on some guys and not so great value on others… en route to one of the top 3 rosters in the NFL. 

[Mountain Man]

45 minutes ago, Process said:

 

Interesting. Johnson has looked good, would much rather have traded or cut Addison, who at this point brings very little to the table. 

 

At the end of the day someone had to go, so can't be mad at getting a draft pick out of it. 

 

So why would have someone have traded for Addison? 

[Big Blitz]

So no one wanted Addison.

 

Got it.  

[HappyDays]

I'm surprised to see the negative reaction to this trade. Johnson was only useful on special teams. As a pass rusher he offers replacement level ability. I assume the Bills decided they don't need him on special teams and they're obviously not going to pay him when his contract is up so they're taking what they can now.

[Mark Vader]

10 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

The Magic Beane strikes again

Now I want to see Beane get a draft pick for Bobby Hart. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

So no one wanted Addison.

 

Got it.  

Exactly, you can't just dictate who someone wants..they especially dont want that contract.

 

Overall, this makes me a little sad cause he seemed to embrace Buffalo but you have to make tough decisions.

[gonzo1105]

I would have held steady for a 5th. I get the hands are tied a bit but he’s got two years of team control left, has really good upside as a DE and a very good ST already. 
 

plus he was a 7th rounder and a 5th just seems like a better return on investment 

[Matt_In_NH]

Just now, Mark Vader said:

Now I want to see Beane get a draft pick for Bobby Hart. 

Hey he got a pick for that Center we signed from Cinci a couple years ago....not that far off.

[Reader]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

I'm surprised to see the negative reaction to this trade. Johnson was only useful on special teams. As a pass rusher he offers replacement level ability. I assume the Bills decided they don't need him on special teams and they're obviously not going to pay him when his contract is up so they're taking what they can now.

 

Probably because many here don't like Addison and wish that it was him who was traded...whether or not that was realistic.

[Matt_In_NH]

Just now, gonzo1105 said:

I would have held steady for a 5th. I get the hands are tied a bit but he’s got two years of team control left, has really good upside as a DE and a very good ST already. 
 

plus he was a 7th rounder and a 5th just seems like a better return on investment 

 

You have to consider the contract, the guy is a one year rental, a draft pick comes with a 4 year committment if the guy makes it.  A 5th is expecting a bit much IMO.

[First Round Bust]

31 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

You can only keep so many ST focused players when you have SB aspirations and need guys that can actually contribute in live game action, that's why I also think guys like Taiwan Jones are going to be gone soon as well.

 

As for Addison, I wouldn't be surprised if he essentially this year's Trent Murphy by midseason (assume he is in fact safe). Because no way we are wasting reps on him the glut of young talent that is ready to contribute out of the gate.

I think this move bodes well for Taiwan Jones, the Bills value ST, coaches say he is an elite gunner, has a 700k dead cap issue that they save by not cutting and re-signing as compared to Phillips cut and resign for less than 200k and can be placed on IR for a couple week (still in a knee brace)...Obada wins out, gets 5+ sacks, leaves as over-priced FA at age 30, trends to Bills get  FA comp pick

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

44 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Does beane have any other phone numbers? Or does he just go to his favorites and there are the panthers?

 

Speed dial.  No numbers involved.  They won't be punking Beane like they punked Buddy Nix!

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[YoloinOhio]

 

[dave mcbride]

37 minutes ago, Logic said:

Respectfully, I disagree.

Special teams reps ARE "live game action". 

A big kick return -- or a tackle on a kick return that prevents a touchdown -- can be the difference between a win and a loss.

I believe that special teams will always be important to Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott, and rightly so. There are three phases in football, and all three matter.

I may get flamed for this, but ST players are fairly interchangeable. It's an area where coaching really matters because you're not putting your best talent out there; rather, you're putting guys out there who can fulfill an assignment and be basically functional at running, blocking, and tackling. You don't want untalented morons on ST, but let's not overvalue it. The Bills hardly punted very little last season (relatively speaking) and most kickoffs were touchbacks. They have a big-leg placekicker, so I expect that to continue. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by dave mcbride

[BuffaloRebound]

Doubt anybody wanted to pay Addison   $4m.  And cutting Addison is the same as keeping him salary cap wise.  

[MJS]

Makes total sense. He would still be buried on the depth chart after this year with Epenesa, Rousseau, and Basham all ahead of him at least.

[par73]

57 minutes ago, Process said:

 

Interesting. Johnson has looked good, would much rather have traded or cut Addison, who at this point brings very little to the table. 

 

At the end of the day someone had to go, so can't be mad at getting a draft pick out of it. 

 

Same here. I thought Johnson was a good rotation guy who could get some pressure on the QB. Carolina probably didn't want the older Addison back.

[vtnatefootball11]

For everyone saying Beane should have gotten more value for the trade, consider Shaq Lawson was just traded for a 6th...  Johnson has some upside but he's not as good as Lawson.  We would have had to cut him anyways, and teams know this, and we got the HIGHER of Carolina's two 6ths.  Good trade getting something out of excess that would have been cut, now  let's get a couple more in before cuts tomorrow!

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

For everyone saying Beane should have gotten more value for the trade, consider Shaq Lawson was just traded for a 6th...  Johnson has some upside but he's not as good as Lawson.  We would have had to cut him anyways, and teams know this, and we got the HIGHER of Carolina's two 6ths.  Good trade getting something out of excess that would have been cut, now  let's get a couple more in before cuts tomorrow!

Who’s even saying we should have gotten more value?

[FilthyBeast]

22 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Do we get to criticize Beane for giving Addison that horrible contract? He’s given out some terrible contracts to former Panthers.

 

Yes plenty are. As good as Beane has been rebuilding this offense he's been terrible on defense for the most part with FA's and draft picks, which is also why I'm still tempering my expectations with Epineza and Rousseau despite their strong camp/preseason showings.

 

But getting back to Addison (and Butler), it was one thing to restructure their deals but they should have been done so to cut/trade them without the cap hits associated with them.

 

If Obada ends up being semi decent and at worse getting the 5 sacks he did in Carolina it somewhat offsets the Addison deal though.

[Philo]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Who’s even saying we should have gotten more value?

 

Someone upthread wanted a 5th

[Bangarang]

Just now, Philo said:

 

Someone upthread wanted a 5th

Is that really it? 

[Rochesterfan]

Sounds about right to me.  
 

Shaq an actual DE that plays regularly was a 6th.

 

Bam - a more ST focus that can maybe play in the regular defense also for a 6th. 
 

I have no issue with it.

[Philo]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Is that really it? 

 

I guess so...that's the only post I've seen asking for more compensation

[BADOLBILZ]

36 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

I feel like I just was kicked in the nutz

 

 

Teller was a better prospect........some considered him as a guy who should have gone in the early rounds of the draft.........but it appears that they traded the young, high ceiling player to retain a vet who is on his last legs.........which is what Spencer Long was as well when they dealt Teller.

 

I will be surprised if not cutting bait on Addison last winter ends up looking like a good move in the long run.

 

Maybe he bounces back this year though.   I liked the signing initially because he was a consistent producer and the contract was easy to get out of.   @GunnerBill did not like the signing and he looked correct on that one last season.  

 

One of the few, lasting bad memories of last season was watching old Mario flail around chasing Kyler Murray allowing him to get off the Hail Murray throw.

 

They got smaller and less athletic at the position today.

[Weatherman]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The one Achilles heal with this front office group… they’ve completely overvalued their ex Panthers.

Mostly true but not all Ex panthers have been duds.  
 

Kelvin Benjamin was the biggest dud of them all but Addison and Butler aren’t far behind.  Star and AN are serviceable but over compensated in my opinion.  Daryl Williams was a complete steal.  He’s arguably our best OL.  

Edited August 30, 2021 by Weatherman

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Teller was a better prospect........some considered him as a guy who should have gone in the early rounds of the draft.........but it appears that they traded the young, high ceiling player to retain a vet who is on his last legs.........which is what Spencer Long was as well when they dealt Teller.

 

I will be surprised if not cutting bait on Addison last winter ends up looking like a good move in the long run.

 

Maybe he bounces back this year though.   I liked the signing initially because he was a consistent producer and the contract was easy to get out of.   @GunnerBill did not like the signing and he looked correct on that one last season.  

 

One of the few, lasting bad memories of last season was watching old Mario flail around chasing Kyler Murray allowing him to get off the Hail Murray throw.

 

They got smaller and less athletic at the position today.

 

Yep. The Addison tape in Carolina in 2019 looked a lot less impressive than the numbers. I think even last season in Buffalo 5 sacks was a high number compared to actual number of pass rush reps he won on. He is a good convertor of pressure to sacks I will give him that. He just isn't great any more at generating pressure.

[Kelly the Dog]

I don’t understand the dead money argument when it comes to Addison. So what? The Bills are going to be spending X amount of dollars (basically) with or without him. Sure, in theory you don’t want to pay a guy not to be here. But in the real world if your championship caliber team is better in the short or long term keeping Bam and cutting Addison there is no question what to do. 

[TheBrownBear]

Don't worry guys.  Beane's just clearing out some space and using Carolina to hold Johnson for us for awhile.  He'll trade the 6th rounder back to Carolina a few weeks down the road if we end up needing Bam Johnson.

[jwhit34]

While some may lament over Johnson being traded, reality is that Rousseau, Epenesa and Basham are all young and better than him. That's 3 of the 4 in a DE rotation that is active on game day. They may have 5 on the active 48 which means with Hughes definitely playing either Addison or Obada do not dress for games if all are healthy. 

 

Will Addison be this year's Trent Murphy?

[Magox]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I am going to say it.... I don't love it. I'd rather Addison or Obada go if they don't want to keep 7 ends but hey ho. 

 

I would have rather seen Addison as well.  I'm guessing they think Addison is still a better pass rusher than Daryl and that they can more easily replace his ST efforts with maybe Taiwan or Krumerow. 

 

Obada, I like that guy.   I'm on the Obada train as I think they will be able to use his versatility as part of the pressure packages they will be employing this year.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

Sounds about right to me.  
 

Shaq an actual DE that plays regularly was a 6th.

 

Bam - a more ST focus that can maybe play in the regular defense also for a 6th. 
 

I have no issue with it.

 

 

Shaq is the opposite of a glue-guy...........Dolphins and Texans figured that out.

 

Not easily motivated......not dedicated to his craft........he upped his effort for his contract run in 2019..........the Bills were wise not to re-invest in him.........he has otherwise been pretty much the same JAG in every other season of his career.    He doesn't play teams either and really doesn't have much athletic upside left.

 

Johnson was much cheaper and has a year of that cheap team control left (well, technically Shaq does too if you want to pay that guy $9M in 2022).........he was definitely worth getting back the 5th rounder they used to get him at least.  

[GunnerBill]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Johnson was much cheaper and has a year of that cheap team control left (well, technically Shaq does too if you want to pay that guy $9M in 2022).........he was definitely worth getting back the 5th rounder they used to get him at least.  

 

They drafted Johnson in the 7th in 2019, not the 5th.

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Shaq is the opposite of a glue-guy...........Dolphins and Texans figured that out.

 

Not easily motivated......not dedicated to his craft........he upped his effort for his contract run in 2019..........the Bills were wise not to re-invest in him.........he has otherwise been pretty much the same JAG in every other season of his career.    He doesn't play teams either and really doesn't have much athletic upside left.

 

Johnson was much cheaper and has a year of that cheap team control left (well, technically Shaq does too if you want to pay that guy $9M in 2022).........he was definitely worth getting back the 5th rounder they used to get him at least.  

Wasn't he a 7th?

[HappyDays]

27 minutes ago, Reader said:

 

Probably because many here don't like Addison and wish that it was him who was traded...whether or not that was realistic.

 

Well Addison and Johnson have different roles on the team. The question was always around Addison vs. Obada if anything.

[maryland-bills-fan]

Carloina's 6th is probably the 186th player taken.  They might be picking  #10.  So using ( http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/full_draft   ) if the Bills are drafting @ #30. then that pick would enable them to move up the following ways in the draft.

round 1    move player 30 to player 29          +1 spot

round 2  move up playre 62 to player 59      +3 spots

round 3  move up 94   to 88                          +6 spots

round 4 move up 126 to 110                            +16 spots

round 5  move up 158 to 121                           +37 spots

round 6  move up 190 to 100                         +90 spots

 

IF there is  a guy we really want who is out of the top 100 spots,  this pick will make it quite easy to get him.

[pigpen65]

Don't like it. Why get rid of a good young depth player who appears to keep improving year to year to keep Addison? Addison is old as ***** and adds nothing.

[vtnatefootball11]

16 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Is that really it? 

I'm not going to quote them all but there are 7-8 separate posts about not liking the trade or hoping for little more since the first page.  Go read the thread. 

 

Also, look further down, people are still saying it...  

[billybrew1]

Well, Panthers got the best of that trade, imho.... we were stuck between a rock and a hard place....

How could ask for more for Bam? 

At least we got something....