GunnerBill Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Has the NFL ever allowed 'pick protections' on a trade? I know they've allowed conditional picks based on starts, playing time etc. But based on suspension or criminal prosecution? That would, IMO, NOT be a good look for the "Shield" Hmm they could make some starts and playing time conditions that would get you somewhat to the same place you would think. Trickier on the 2022 picks but thereafter you could say "a 2023 first rounder which is conditional on him being on the roster by the start of the league year." That gives the legal stuff until March 2023 to be resolved.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Yeah Michael Vick got to play again. I mean dogs aren't people obviously but still. 8 minutes ago, Simon said: Agreed. They're waaay better. Unless he goes to jail for 10 years, Watson will play again. He ain't Kaep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 This better be a non-refundable offer by the Texans! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Hmm they could make some starts and playing time conditions that would get you somewhat to the same place you would think. Trickier on the 2022 picks but thereafter you could say "a 2023 first rounder which is conditional on him being on the roster by the start of the league year." That gives the legal stuff until March 2023 to be resolved.... I want the dolphins to make the trade, have Watson bench himself like he's doing in Houston, then get suspended and go to jail AFTER Houston makes Miami's 2022 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) The FBI is involved for crying out loud this must have been spread by his agent…He may not play for two years why even bother Edited August 28, 2021 by 78thealltimegreat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Three 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks…. Lol. Sorry but the fins aren’t that close, look’s like a panic move to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The FBI is involved for crying out loud this must have been spread by his agent…He may not play for two years why even bother His agent also said the FBI is investigating the women for extortion. I want this to happen again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, unbillievable said: His agent also said the FBI is investigating the women for extortion. I want this to happen again. Good cause 22 women is a lot of extortion and considering some have actually come forward and been interviewed I can’t wait to see his defense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Yeah Michael Vick got to play again. I mean dogs aren't people obviously but still. He did get to play again, but only after he served 2 years in prison and paid $1M for care and treatment of the rescued dogs. I think there were state fines as well. Oh, and the bankruptcy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, 78thealltimegreat said: Good cause 22 women is a lot of extortion and considering some have actually come forward and been interviewed I can’t wait to see his defense The Robert Kraft defense. 💲💲💲 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, unbillievable said: The Robert Kraft defense. 💲💲💲 Yeh but Kraft didn’t involve draft picks and didn’t involve 22 of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, Simon said: Agreed. They're waaay better. Got the T-Shirt: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 An eligible to play Watson in Miami is scary. They have a darn good receiving core there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I have a feeling this will all amount to nothing, at least for this season. Maybe if Watson gets through his legal troubles without facing criminal prosecution the Dolphins will try to land him next offseason. For right now the timing makes no sense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I have a feeling this will all amount to nothing, at least for this season. Maybe if Watson gets through his legal troubles without facing criminal prosecution the Dolphins will try to land him next offseason. For right now the timing makes no sense. Yea that remains the most likely outcome. The one thing Miami may be thinking though is in a situation where Watson faces no criminal charges and the civil cases are settled there may well be more competition next spring. It looks like now the only other serious player - Carolina - has said they are out and riding the year with Sam. So Miami has a free run if it is willing to bear the risk that the legal situation turns out badly for Watson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Hopefully the trade happens and the picks are irreversibly given and then Watson gets sent to the Pokey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Even if he wasn’t facing a possible suspension, that’s a big ask. However, who was the last Top 5 QB to be traded in his prime? Should be interesting. I still think Baltimore should be in on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: Even if he wasn’t facing a possible suspension, that’s a big ask. However, who was the last Top 5 QB to be traded in his prime? Should be interesting. I still think Baltimore should be in on this. I think that all depends on what Lamar and his representatives will be asking extension wise. But Baltimore doesn’t have the draft ammo like Miami does to be able to join in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think that all depends on what Lamar and his representatives will be asking extension wise. But Baltimore doesn’t have the draft ammo like Miami does to be able to join in but they can offer Lamar. Edited August 28, 2021 by zevo none 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, zevo said: but they can offer Lamar. Yeah but would Houston want to pay Lamar Josh Allen type of money?? My answer on that is No. also again Baltimore doesn’t have the draft capital to get into the bidding war like Miami does Edited August 28, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Given a choice I don't want to see Watson on the Dolphins but at the end of the day I'm really not scared of Watson especially on the Dolphins were there coaching is overrated. It will show this season with Tua 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Virgil said: Should be interesting. I still think Baltimore should be in on this. Are you saying this as it would up end BAL and really screw them or as in this would be an improvement over Lamar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Who trades for a guy that won't play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 No way anyone is coughing up major assets for Watson, unless they are convinced he can play all of 2021. Just not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Miami has the picks that Houston would want plus you throw in Tua in package. *****in stupid on Miami’s part but not surprising to say the least. Eagles and Panthers pulled out leaving Miami the only one Aren’t those Houston’s draft picks to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) I have a feeling that this will bite me, but I think it's more likely than not that a Dolphins trade for Watson can quite possibly hamstring their franchise for years. I don't think the Dolphins can pay his salary without last minute cuts. Watson's contract for base salary is pretty damn heavy after this year (~25 million a year) for the next four years so it's not like they can roll over a ton. Then, to give up three first round picks on top of that... For a guy who might never play an NFL snap. And who I think is grossly overrated. Yeah, Houston is incompetent but they couldn't run away with the division the past few years playing the Jags, an banged up/Andrew Luck-less Colts and the Ryan Tannehill Titans. And you want to hock the next 3-4 years on it? I'm willing to play those odds. Edit: I don't think he's bad, I think he is Matt Stafford and there is a reason why the Lions have never been serious contenders. Edited August 28, 2021 by WhitewalkerInPhilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Did a guy in this thread actually say that Adam Sandler is a better comedian than Eddie Murphy or George Carlin? 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, BTB said: No way anyone is coughing up major assets for Watson, unless they are convinced he can play all of 2021. Just not happening. Even if he does play all 2021, at some point he's going to end up on the commissioner's exempt list and miss games. Nate Geary mentioned it this morning in the pregame, he's either going to sit for the Texans or end up being on the list and not playing anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Even if he does play all 2021, at some point he's going to end up on the commissioner's exempt list and miss games. Nate Geary mentioned it this morning in the pregame, he's either going to sit for the Texans or end up being on the list and not playing anyways. ...and you don’t think that a team trading for him does not know which way the winds are blowing coming from Goodell’s office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 So they would be trading away three first rounders and two second rounders a year after using the fifth overall pick on a quarterback? LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 If the Dolphins trade for him when the NFL suspended Deke for 6 games on the word of a single women they are dumb. Watson should be not allowed to play until this legal issue is resolved and then we can discuss reinstating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/28/dolphins-reportedly-balk-at-high-price-for-deshaun-watson/ looks like Miami backed off as well. They weren’t willing to pony up 3 1st rounders and 2 second rounders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I don't see it for Miami even if the price were lower. They'd want Watson for this season and he is likely to miss a bunch of games and they'd almost certainly be sending Tua the other way meaning they'd be committing to playing their backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I would love for Miami to trade Tua to Houston and then have Watson get convicted and go to jail. Couldn’t happen to a better franchise. Btw, I’m over the “Flores is a great coach” shtick. He 100% blew the Fitz/Tua situation and already has a bad rep with agents for cutting guys a year after he lured them there. He’s going to be the next on a long list of Belicheck assistants who flame out. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Crap, I hope not. I was hoping they’d keep up the Tua experiment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGeneral Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: I would love for Miami to trade Tua to Houston and then have Watson get convicted and go to jail. Couldn’t happen to a better franchise. Btw, I’m over the “Flores is a great coach” shtick. He 100% blew the Fitz/Tua situation and already has a bad rep with agents for cutting guys a year after he lured them there. He’s going to be the next on a long list of Belicheck assistants who flame out. Players have done worse and done no time. I'd rather he not be in the division, but that's me. Edited August 29, 2021 by FieldGeneral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Miami has so much draft capital. Who else could have enough to pull the trigger before the season starts? They would be wise to sit on it and see how a few games play out first. I don’t think anyone is going to give Houston what they want right now and the Phins will know after they play the Pats and Bills in the first 2 weeks exactly what they have. Watson would make Miami a much better team IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Either: 1. Miami trades and savages their next few drafts for an average QB with heavy baggage; or 2. Miami fails to make the trade and is stuck with average Tua. It's a win win no matter what happens. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: I would love for Miami to trade Tua to Houston and then have Watson get convicted and go to jail. Couldn’t happen to a better franchise. Btw, I’m over the “Flores is a great coach” shtick. He 100% blew the Fitz/Tua situation and already has a bad rep with agents for cutting guys a year after he lured them there. He’s going to be the next on a long list of Belicheck assistants who flame out. No one is more overrated than Flores. He has mismanaged the QB room to the likes of the other Billy Boy protege, Bill O’Brien 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, boater said: Either: 1. Miami trades and savages their next few drafts for an average QB with heavy baggage; or 2. Miami fails to make the trade and is stuck with average Tua. It's a win win no matter what happens. Even if Watson plays all year for Miami, can he develop chemistry and play THAT good with only 2 weeks before the season starts? Seems crazy to me to have Tua all through camp and then sit him for a qb the team is totally unfamiliar with. What do I know though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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