Scott7975 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: They got 10 wins last year with a rookie QB playing poorly and Fitz typically good week/bad week type of play. And when you look at their roster from top to bottom it's hard to argue they are at worse equal to the Bills minus QB. I will agree that Flores seems to be playing with fire with not only how he handled the QB position last year, but how he's all but publicly admit Tua isn't the answer with all this Watson speculation especially if they are willing to give anything close to what Houston is apparently asking for in a trade. They threw Fitz in there almost every game to get those wins. Miami is about a 6 win team IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: And when you look at their roster from top to bottom it's hard to argue they are at worse equal to the Bills minus QB. One of the most laughable statements I've seen in my time at TBD. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, Beast said: One of the most laughable statements I've seen in my time at TBD. Well, he is Filthy... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 How can any team give up that much asset for a human piece of 💩 who might still end up going to jail ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 31 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: They got 10 wins last year with a rookie QB playing poorly and Fitz typically good week/bad week type of play. And when you look at their roster from top to bottom it's hard to argue they are at worse equal to the Bills minus QB. I will agree that Flores seems to be playing with fire with not only how he handled the QB position last year, but how he's all but publicly admit Tua isn't the answer with all this Watson speculation especially if they are willing to give anything close to what Houston is apparently asking for in a trade. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 34 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: They got 10 wins last year with a rookie QB playing poorly and Fitz typically good week/bad week type of play. And when you look at their roster from top to bottom it's hard to argue they are at worse equal to the Bills minus QB. I will agree that Flores seems to be playing with fire with not only how he handled the QB position last year, but how he's all but publicly admit Tua isn't the answer with all this Watson speculation especially if they are willing to give anything close to what Houston is apparently asking for in a trade. What exactly do they have on offense couple of good WR’s what else ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 36 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: They got 10 wins last year with a rookie QB playing poorly and Fitz typically good week/bad week type of play. And when you look at their roster from top to bottom it's hard to argue they are at worse equal to the Bills minus QB. I will agree that Flores seems to be playing with fire with not only how he handled the QB position last year, but how he's all but publicly admit Tua isn't the answer with all this Watson speculation especially if they are willing to give anything close to what Houston is apparently asking for in a trade. Did you watch week 17? They aren’t in the same class as Buffalos backups 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Is Miami even the third best team in the afce? yes. Far and away better than the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: They weren’t even competitive against the Bills backups in a must win game. They aren’t even close I don't want to get cocky. Their GM seems to be avoiding some of the dysfunction that plagued the Phins in the 2010's and they seem to have some talent. But yeah they got spanked by Matt Barkley and the 2s in a game that they had to win to squeak into the newly created 7th playoff spot. To say that transplanting even an above average QB into that mix equaling a Super Bowl seems premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: CS, I’ll take you at you’re word as you’ve always seemed to be a fair minded guy. I just don’t know how well informed you’re scout is on the inner workings of Miami and Houston. Everything you wrote may be true. I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion Miami’s getting DW, but it’s possible. It’s also not assumed he is innocent and a $ grab. Who the heck goes to 20+ different massage therapists. That is highly abnormal for a professional athlete and a regular Joe. For people that believe in this therapy, they normally lock into 1-2 people. A solid correlation is of you believe in chiro, you normally lock into one person because you trust the person. I don’t get the 4 either. Machine, those are not my words, that is all from the MiaFins31 guy on the Dolphins fan board--the one Doc linked earlier. I have no idea if it is true or not (see my opening explanation). Just brought it here to give us a peak and for the entertainment value. However, what I found most interesting is that in some ways, he verifies our (as in TBD posters') perspective of Tua. I think he is average at best. If the Fins brain-thurst also thinks that, then a trade for Watson, even with all the baggage, may make sense. But again, not my words, just some guy named MiaFins31 on their fan board claiming to have this inside info from an anonymous scout friend. As I said, I stake no claim to its veracity. Edited August 30, 2021 by CSBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: They got 10 wins last year with a rookie QB playing poorly and Fitz typically good week/bad week type of play. And when you look at their roster from top to bottom it's hard to argue they are at worse equal to the Bills minus QB. I will agree that Flores seems to be playing with fire with not only how he handled the QB position last year, but how he's all but publicly admit Tua isn't the answer with all this Watson speculation especially if they are willing to give anything close to what Houston is apparently asking for in a trade. I would say Buffalo has a slight edge at most spots outside of OLine where Buffalo has a significant edge. Miami does undoubtedly have a good roster though and if Tua plays the way he has in the preseason, they're probably a playoff team and a legitimate threat for the division if we slip up for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, Putin said: What exactly do they have on offense couple of good WR’s what else ???? Offensive line is rock solid albeit no star type players, Gesicki is a stud TE (top 5 -8 for sure), and their RB's are at worse equal to the Bills in Gaskin/Brown vs. Motor/Moss. If anything their defense is what would concern me given the absurd talent their at just about every position but as long as JA17 keeps doing thing against them I suppose we are good. Like I mentioned before, even with a marginally improved Tua their floor should be 10 wins. They get a guy like Watson they will be a SB team (at least in the eyes of the media). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/30/brian-flores-we-want-players-with-high-character-on-the-dolphins/ Brian Flores: We want players with high character on the Dolphins Quote ...We have a high standard for the people we have in the organization. We want people with high character throughout the building.” 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/30/brian-flores-we-want-players-with-high-character-on-the-dolphins/ Brian Flores: We want players with high character on the Dolphins 🤷♂️ So...they're definitely trading for him. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Offensive line is rock solid albeit no star type players, Gesicki is a stud TE (top 5 -8 for sure), and their RB's are at worse equal to the Bills in Gaskin/Brown vs. Motor/Moss. If anything their defense is what would concern me given the absurd talent their at just about every position but as long as JA17 keeps doing thing against them I suppose we are good. Like I mentioned before, even with a marginally improved Tua their floor should be 10 wins. They get a guy like Watson they will be a SB team (at least in the eyes of the media). Sorry I stopped reading after the part about OL being rock solid !! Edited August 30, 2021 by Putin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Tua will be part of the trade package to Houston for Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Putin said: Sorry I stopped reading after the part about OL being rock solid !! Yea their oline was a mess last year still. I liked the Eichenburg pick in the draft but I believe he has been hurt a lot so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I really hope they do. 0 chance he plays this year. Some level of doubt he plays again. Dolphins have the ammo to pull it off. If the Texans get Miamis 2 1s and 2 2s in 2022 and Tua im all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea their oline was a mess last year still. I liked the Eichenburg pick in the draft but I believe he has been hurt a lot so far. Austin Jackson last year’s 1st round pick is a BUST 2nd round pick G Robert Hunt can’t crack the staring lineup , even Eichenburg was meh in the preseason and is now hurt , Lets see what happens week one in New England but my guess it won’t be pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Putin said: Austin Jackson last year’s 1st round pick is a BUST 2nd round pick G Robert Hunt can’t crack the staring lineup , even Eichenburg was meh in the preseason and is now hurt , Lets see what happens week one in New England but my guess it won’t be pretty Did Eich play in the pre-season? I thought he missed all the games. Yea I did not like Jackson much (didn't hate him as much as Blokes) and I did detest Hunt. Never understood the buzz he got in the run up to that draft. As a late day 3 flier? Sure. A day 2 pick? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoAZBillfan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Who cares? Buffalo has a legit team with a legit QB who the fish and every other team has to beat for bragging rights. Of Miami is foolish enough to make the gamble then more power to them, hope whoever is at QB can win without new blood coming to the team via draft. If they aren’t winning free agents are likely to go elsewhere. 🤷🏼♂️ At least that’s my take on it, Watson is good but he’s not proven he can elevate a franchise solo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ndirish1978 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 In summary, this was never a real story and the media was bored and needed something to report. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: In summary, this was never a real story and the media was bored and needed something to report. This was Houston trying to drum up business because most likely a team like Philly called asking about a 1st and a 2nd and maybe a guy like Hurts and Houston was hoping to get them to increase the offer while they are thinking about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said: This was Houston trying to drum up business because most likely a team like Philly called asking about a 1st and a 2nd and maybe a guy like Hurts and Houston was hoping to get them to increase the offer while they are thinking about it. If this was total BS then why wouldn’t Flores straight up deny it and send a message that the team is 100% behind Tua? My belief is that a number of teams checked on Watson again knowing the deadline that was approaching. They thought they could either trade for Watson at a reduced price or make a trade with contingencies based on pending legal issues. Houston rebuffed both. Charles Robinson, who was the first to report the Watson-Miami rumors, challenged anyone from the Miami org to dispute his report…They haven’t. There’s little doubt in my mind that Miami was open to a trade for the right price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, JohnNord said: If this was total BS then why wouldn’t Flores straight up deny it and send a message that the team is 100% behind Tua? My belief is that a number of teams checked on Watson again knowing the deadline that was approaching. They thought they could either trade for Watson at a reduced price or make a trade with contingencies based on pending legal issues. Houston rebuffed both. Charles Robinson, who was the first to report the Watson-Miami rumors, challenged anyone from the Miami org to dispute his report…They haven’t. There’s little doubt in my mind that Miami was open to a trade for the right price Where did the story originate from? Who gave the details to Charles Robinson? I have no doubt that several teams - maybe Miami, Philly, and Carolina reached out and are asking to make a deal for a small protected fraction of what Houston wants. My guess was Philly looking at a 1st, a 2nd, Hurts, and maybe another player. Miami may make a trade, but they wanted nothing to do with this coming out because it is a huge distraction for that team. Therefore to me this is 100% Houston trying to drum up business and passing info out to try and get teams competing against each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnNord Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: The timing of this locker room endorsement sure is interesting 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I wasn't sure where to put this, but not a good sign when the QB isn't named a captain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Christian Wilkins was on GMFB and when asked about Tua, he gave the most lukewarm endorsement ever... basically, "he's a nice guy and can do some things". 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, SCBills said: Christian Wilkins was on GMFB and when asked about Tua, he gave the most lukewarm endorsement ever... basically, "he's a nice guy and can do some things". Lol. When your OL is that enthusiastic...you do wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rico Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I wasn't sure where to put this, but not a good sign when the QB isn't named a captain. The McCourtys and who??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I wasn't sure where to put this, but not a good sign when the QB isn't named a captain. Not expected when QB has so little experience. Reminds me of Loki / Thanos scene in Avengers: Infinity War (2018). Loki : If you're going to Earth, you might want a guide. I do have a bit of experience in that arena. Thanos : Well, if you consider failure experience. Loki : I consider *experience* experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Im sure deep down even Miami thinks Tua isn't going to be good enough. They would be fools to give up all that for Watson with the off the field issues going on and I think they know that too. The story may in part be manufactured for news but there is probably some truth that Miami looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Christian Wilkins was on GMFB and when asked about Tua, he gave the most lukewarm endorsement ever... basically, "he's a nice guy and can do some things". Especially coming from Wilkins who hasn’t exactly been a slam dunk himself 13 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Im sure deep down even Miami thinks Tua isn't going to be good enough. They would be fools to give up all that for Watson with the off the field issues going on and I think they know that too. The story may in part be manufactured for news but there is probably some truth that Miami looked. IMO I think Miami sees that his ceiling along the same lines as I do…that of a Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton. I think he’ll be a good quarterback if the rest of your team is good. I don’t think he’s a franchise QB. DeShaun Watson is, which is why Miami is likely looking. I’m guessing they tried to get a trade with contingencies, which Houston balked at. Either way, it’s not sending the best message about your QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 So the locker room and coaching staff can't put their trust in Tua, their owner's a nutcase that wants to give the farm away for a quarterback who might be going to prison, and they're 1-5 against Josh & McD. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Very telling that Tua is not named a captain in his 2nd NFL season especially when other high profile rookies around they league like Wilson and Laurence are. This kid is under enormous pressure to produce out of the gate which is going to be very tough opening against the likes of the Patriots and Bills defense. I'm really starting to wonder if the Dolphins will be a serious this year after all but then again they can make a power move for Watson at any given moment which would change everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 The Dolphins the last 5 months: 2 OCs will be calling plays Tries to trade for Watson Watson slammed with sexual assault charges Drafts the wrong Miami DE Drafts a nice slot WR in the top 10...I guess The CB Miami coaches essentially said wasn't athletic enough to cover Diggs, Xavien Howard demands trade; wants new contract 1 year after signing one; he doesn't report to camp Team caves says they will give him a new contract after the season. Last week of camp word leaks they will be trading for Watson Houston does not trade Watson Coach has to hold meeting saying Tua is our guy......for now Tua not named a captain Brian Flores, leader of men ladies and gentlemen. Let's check that 2020 week 17 must win box score for them again.... My hatred of that team is higher then it was during the Marino years. Best of luck to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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