What will Beane do at CB?

[GreggTX]

When asked after the draft why he didn't take a CB sooner, Beane began complimenting our CB's as you would expect. Then he added that there is still a lot of time before the season starts, implying that he wasn't done with addressing the position. The Dolphins have better CB's overall and the Pats have about half a dozen CB's at least as good and mostly better than our CB2.

 

If you were Beane, how you address the position? Do you stand pat and hope the pass rush gets a lot better? Do you let someone at a 'less important' position go to sign a FA? Are there any FA CB's you like? Would you look to trade draft capital as trade bait? Who would you target? Who would be a likely trade partner? Do you think a better, younger CB2 or slot CB is already in the fold?

 

What is your best approach?

[GunnerBill]

I think they will need to bring another vet into the fold but my strong belief is that Levi will start for them again.

[78thealltimegreat]

21 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

When asked after the draft why he didn't take a CB sooner, Beane began complimenting our CB's as you would expect. Then he added that there is still a lot of time before the season starts, implying that he wasn't done with addressing the position. The Dolphins have better CB's overall and the Pats have about half a dozen CB's at least as good and mostly better than our CB2.

 

If you were Beane, how you address the position? Do you stand pat and hope the pass rush gets a lot better? Do you let someone at a 'less important' position go to sign a FA? Are there any FA CB's you like? Would you look to trade draft capital as trade bait? Who would you target? Who would be a likely trade partner? Do you think a better, younger CB2 or slot CB is already in the fold?

 

What is your best approach?

I wouldn’t worry what other teams are doing as this same team went 13-3 their secondary was fine it was as Beane addressed in the draft the defensive lines lack of pressure that was the biggest weakness on the team 

[Malazan]

They've tried to replace Levi, but I don't think they're quite as dedicated to it as the fans are.. fans are too latched on to certain players and that THEY MUST AT ALL COSTS BE JETTISONED FROM THE TEAM OR THE DOOM OF THE WORLD WILL BE UPON US simply because they're not the 'best' or have holes in their game. 

 

If Dane Jackson can't beat him out for the job then it doesn't seem like the Bills staff is too concerned about him being their starter. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by jeremy2020

[John from Riverside]

Would like to see another vet to compete for the spot.

 

I am high on Dane Jackson....but he needs to earn it

[Aussie Joe]

I’m gunna be the first to say it ( in this thread anyway...)

 

Sherman 

[oldmanfan]

I think Jackson will start.

[BillsFanThru-N-Thru]

I also feel that Dane Jackson will be the starter opposite Dre.  In his limited starts he looked good.  With a full season of conditioning and a better understanding of the playbook and scheme along with the coaching of Butler and Frazier he will be better then his rookie year

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Don’t think he values CB2. We’re going to spend the next 12 months with people mocking a CB to us and we probably won’t take one high next year

[Rochesterfan]

Not really worried about it.  
 

They have enough guys right now to go ahead and play and be just fine.

 

They have weeks and months still and Vet guys to sign if they want more competition.

 

They have young kids, UDFAs, and others to mix in.

 

Most of all - I am not worrying about other teams DBs because they need more DBs to cover our much more talented WRs.  There are very few AFC teams that can roll 4-6 WRs to match what we are putting out and none in the East.

 

I would say relax and enjoy the ride.

[HOUSE]

Do we really need another Corner ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by HOUSE

[JGMcD2]

3 hours ago, GreggTX said:

The Dolphins have better CB's overall and the Pats have about half a dozen CB's at least as good and mostly better than our CB2.

Might be true... how many points did we drop on those DB last year? We scored 87 points against Miami last year... 62 against New England. 
 

What changes have they made in the secondary that I’m supposed to be afraid of? 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

36 minutes ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said:

I also feel that Dane Jackson will be the starter opposite Dre.  In his limited starts he looked good.  With a full season of conditioning and a better understanding of the playbook and scheme along with the coaching of Butler and Frazier he will be better then his rookie year

 

I know we picked up Warren G's son as an UFDA, but we got Dr. Dre, too? That's news to me! I guess Beane is trying to lock down a defensive backfield comprised entirely of 90's hip-hop DB's 🤔😂

[Matt_In_NH]

It would be interesting to know the chances they would have taken Greg Newsome if he was there.   My feeling is given the way the draft fell, the CB value was not there and so now they will grab a vet on a one year deal.

[Hebert19]

3 hours ago, GreggTX said:

When asked after the draft why he didn't take a CB sooner, Beane began complimenting our CB's as you would expect. Then he added that there is still a lot of time before the season starts, implying that he wasn't done with addressing the position. The Dolphins have better CB's overall and the Pats have about half a dozen CB's at least as good and mostly better than our CB2.

 

If you were Beane, how you address the position? Do you stand pat and hope the pass rush gets a lot better? Do you let someone at a 'less important' position go to sign a FA? Are there any FA CB's you like? Would you look to trade draft capital as trade bait? Who would you target? Who would be a likely trade partner? Do you think a better, younger CB2 or slot CB is already in the fold?

 

What is your best approach?

Fix the pass rush and Levi Dane etc are all serviceable. 

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, GreggTX said:

When asked after the draft why he didn't take a CB sooner, Beane began complimenting our CB's as you would expect. Then he added that there is still a lot of time before the season starts, implying that he wasn't done with addressing the position. The Dolphins have better CB's overall and the Pats have about half a dozen CB's at least as good and mostly better than our CB2.

 

If you were Beane, how you address the position? Do you stand pat and hope the pass rush gets a lot better? Do you let someone at a 'less important' position go to sign a FA? Are there any FA CB's you like? Would you look to trade draft capital as trade bait? Who would you target? Who would be a likely trade partner? Do you think a better, younger CB2 or slot CB is already in the fold?

 

What is your best approach?

I don’t think the Bills can afford to do much of anything at this point due to their cap situation.  They sure could use some upgrades though because beyond Tre all they have are 2 or 3 serviceable players.  It looks like they think that will do the job with their scheme.  That wouldn’t have been my plan, but it looks like it’s theirs and we’re going to see how it works out. 

7 minutes ago, mattynh said:

It would be interesting to know the chances they would have taken Greg Newsome if he was there.   My feeling is given the way the draft fell, the CB value was not there and so now they will grab a vet on a one year deal.

I’d think the Bills would have run that card up if Newsome somehow made it to 30.  I know the Browns were very surprised he made it to 26.  They were very much hoping one of the top 4 CBs would make it to them, but weren’t expecting it.  I was a little surprised the Bills didn’t make a move up for him or even another player.  30 was a bad spot to be picking in this draft.  

[mjt328]

There are still two decent remaining options (at least) remaining on the free agent market:

Richard Sherman and Casey Heyward

 

I would like them to go after one of those vets.  But I think it's just as likely we grab someone even cheaper at the vet minimum.

 

As someone else said, I'm starting to believe Sean McDermott does not value the #2 corner position.  He knows teams are going to play away from Tre White, and just wants someone who can tackle.  Every other position on the roster has been aggressively addressed either in the draft or free agency.  That spot has been either filled by an UDFA (Levi Wallace), Day 3 Pick (Dane Jackson) or low-level signing (EJ Gaines, Josh Norman, Kevin Johnson).

 

[Paul Costa]

Steve Nelson would solve all our CB2 issues. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, GreggTX said:

When asked after the draft why he didn't take a CB sooner, Beane began complimenting our CB's as you would expect. Then he added that there is still a lot of time before the season starts, implying that he wasn't done with addressing the position. The Dolphins have better CB's overall and the Pats have about half a dozen CB's at least as good and mostly better than our CB2.

 

If you were Beane, how you address the position? Do you stand pat and hope the pass rush gets a lot better? Do you let someone at a 'less important' position go to sign a FA? Are there any FA CB's you like? Would you look to trade draft capital as trade bait? Who would you target? Who would be a likely trade partner? Do you think a better, younger CB2 or slot CB is already in the fold?

 

What is your best approach?

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

I think they know exactly where they stand at CB and will treat it like any other position. If someone becomes available that they feel is and improvement they will target them. If not they will roll with what they have. Wouldn't shock me to see Josh Norman brought back if they feel they need another vet. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Don’t think he values CB2. We’re going to spend the next 12 months with people mocking a CB to us and we probably won’t take one high next year

its not so much not valuing CB2, but I think he likes Levi and Dane. 
 

count me as one of the few here who like Levi. Playing CB2 is one of the hardest jobs. He is a solid player. I actually think he has room for improvement too.

 

[RobbRiddick]

Key for me is D-line pressure. If they can get after QBs more effectively the secondary will look far better than last year because the QBs won't have as long to wait for someone to get open. 

[aceman_16]

Hmmm has Casey Heyward been picked up yet? I would think he would make a nice #2.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

Hmmm has Casey Heyward been picked up yet? I would think he would make a nice #2.

 

Yes. Signed for Raiders yesterday. He was the best option left on the market. 

[MrEpsYtown]

I like Bashaud Breeland. To me he is the perfect fit, a zone corner, and he has a little nastiness to his game. 

[goldenboy81]

Just have a feeling wether it's Levi or player x,that the secondary will be alot better with a pass rush.

[chris heff]

35 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Key for me is D-line pressure. If they can get after QBs more effectively the secondary will look far better than last year because the QBs won't have as long to wait for someone to get open. 

We often hear about coverage sacks. You are correct the inverse of coverage sack is also true.

[thurst44]

5 minutes ago, goldenboy81 said:

Just have a feeling wether it's Levi or player x,that the secondary will be alot better with a pass rush.

Exactly. Funny story: Bills Pass D was ranked 1 and 4 in 2018 & 2019, two years in which Levi Wallace started 7 and 16(!) games respectively. I'm standing by my running argument that 2020 was a weird year for our defense (and yet Bills still were 13-3 and a game from the Super Bowl).

 

I'm all for adding a veteran, but this attitude that the Bills are in dire shape at cornerback is silly. 

[bigK14094]

I worry about CB injuries.  Bills to thin at CB right now.  Need at least one other who can play.

[DallasMac]

17 minutes ago, thurst44 said:

Exactly. Funny story: Bills Pass D was ranked 1 and 4 in 2018 & 2019, two years in which Levi Wallace started 7 and 16(!) games respectively. I'm standing by my running argument that 2020 was a weird year for our defense (and yet Bills still were 13-3 and a game from the Super Bowl).

 

I'm all for adding a veteran, but this attitude that the Bills are in dire shape at cornerback is silly. 

For me it's not that it's a dire situation but I feel it's a position we have very little depth.  If Tre goes down for any amount of time there will be a real struggle stopping people.

[junior]

20 minutes ago, thurst44 said:

Exactly. Funny story: Bills Pass D was ranked 1 and 4 in 2018 & 2019, two years in which Levi Wallace started 7 and 16(!) games respectively. I'm standing by my running argument that 2020 was a weird year for our defense (and yet Bills still were 13-3 and a game from the Super Bowl).

 

I'm all for adding a veteran, but this attitude that the Bills are in dire shape at cornerback is silly. 

 

I wouldn't say we're in dire shape, but I think we could use more depth. 

 

We have:

• Tre White - #1, plays outside
• Levi Wallace - maybe our #2, plays outside
• Dane Jackson - maybe our #2, plays outside (I don't remember him getting slot reps last year)
• Taron Johnson - #1 nickel
• Siran Neal - depth, does a bit of both
• Cam Lewis - unknown, only played a few games
• Rachad Wildgoose - unknown

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see us add more depth to the position between now and the start of camp. If Tre were to go down, YIKES. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by junior12thman92

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, junior12thman92 said:

 

I wouldn't say we're in dire shape, but I think we could use more depth. 

 

We have:

• Tre White - #1, plays outside
• Levi Wallace - maybe our #2, plays outside
• Dane Jackson - maybe our #2, plays outside (I don't remember him getting slot reps last year)
• Taron Johnson - #1 nickel
• Siran Neal - depth, does a bit of both
• Cam Lewis - unknown, only played a few games
• Rachad Wildgoose - unknown

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see us add more depth to the position between now and the start of camp. If Tre were to go down, YIKES. 

If an All Pro goes down at any position on any team it’s hard to replace.

 

 

[nucci]

Wallace and Johnson are pretty good CB2s

[junior]

14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

If an All Pro goes down at any position on any team it’s hard to replace.

 

 

 

Even more so when you have as little depth at the position as we do. 

5 minutes ago, nucci said:

Wallace and Johnson are pretty good CB2s

 

Do you mean Jackson? Johnson only plays inside.

[nucci]

5 minutes ago, junior12thman92 said:

 

 

 

Do you mean Jackson? Johnson only plays inside.

I thought he played both...sorry

[Mark80]

I'm calling Dane Jackson as our #2 opening day and I am good with it.

[billsbackto81]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I think they will need to bring another vet into the fold but my strong belief is that Levi will start for them again.

😭 Right now it's the biggest weak spot that hasn't been addressed. I'd make a play for Sherman at this point. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Someone made the point on WGR that even going back to his Carolina days, McDermott has always just had a "get by" guy at CB2. It's strange, but there's enough proof in the pudding at this point that we shouldn't expect significant investment in the position. It's puzzling, because you feel like it would make a big difference, but McDermott seems to want to coach 'em up and strongly believes in his ability to do so.

2 hours ago, junior12thman92 said:

 

I wouldn't say we're in dire shape, but I think we could use more depth. 

 

We have:

• Tre White - #1, plays outside
• Levi Wallace - maybe our #2, plays outside
• Dane Jackson - maybe our #2, plays outside (I don't remember him getting slot reps last year)
• Taron Johnson - #1 nickel
• Siran Neal - depth, does a bit of both
• Cam Lewis - unknown, only played a few games
• Rachad Wildgoose - unknown

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see us add more depth to the position between now and the start of camp. If Tre were to go down, YIKES. 

We have gone into every season under McDermott with low numbers at CB and a "Yikes" scenario if White goes down. At this point, it seems that it's a fact of life with this regime.

[somnus00]

How many times in the championship game did Kelce just jog to an open spot in the zone and make a simple catch? How many times did we hear the Bills secondary needed to jam the WRs and stop letting them get a free release?

 

Levi, Dane, Taron...they don't have enough athleticism to press or play man. This is a weakness that will be exploited by good teams.

 

If you have guys that can get to the QB in 3 seconds, that's great. But it doesn't help a lot when the QB is getting rid of the ball in 2.5.

 

McDermott has shown a willingness to adapt his game and make adjustments to his style. The NFL passing game is changing. I think he will eventually start focusing on CB2 in the future. This year I think it's going to hurt us.

 

Anyway. Go Bills!

[Don Otreply]

Whatever Beane does, those that are currently disappointed will likely remain so... “it is the way”