Who are the odd men out on DL after we drafted Rousseau and Basham?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Addison is expensive and old

[BADOLBILZ]

Star and Addison are the least valuable.

 

Bam Johnson is really good on special teams and a breakout candidate so I don't see him going.    They can rationalize Obada as both a 3T and DE.    Zimmer is an energy player that I don't think they will want to let go.     

 

This is kinda' where keeping Addison and Butler didn't make a great deal of sense.........but I see them keeping 10 DL on the 53 anyway.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

Star and Addison are the least valuable.

 

Bam Johnson is really good on special teams and a breakout candidate so I don't see him going.    They can rationalize Obada as both a 3T and DE.    Zimmer is an energy player that I don't think they will want to let go.     

 

This is kinda' where keeping Addison and Butler didn't make a great deal of sense.........but I see them keeping 10 DL on the 53 anyway.  

Disagree about Star, Ed Oliver was our only other effective NT. 
 

I think we add another NT today, see who wins between Butler, Phillips (who can play both) and Zimmer (very athletic) 

I can see the 2021 IDL being:

 

NT

Star

Rookie

DT

Oliver

Butler vs Zimmer vs Phillips

 

 

4 DTs in total and 5 DEs

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, unbillievable said:

I think Hughes gets traded.

He's the only one worth anything.

 

 

And then our pass rush will be worse.  Much worse.  This is really the stupidest idea ever. It’s unbillievable tbh

[SCBills]

I honestly think Hughes gets cut/traded or Addison cut.  
 

Seems like they like Johnson, and i highly doubt they cut Obada after just signing him in FA.   Epenesa and Rousseau are locks.  
 

Or they keep all 6, given Rousseau, Epenesa and Obada can all kick inside on passing downs. 

[BADOLBILZ]

32 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Disagree about Star, Ed Oliver was our only other effective NT. 
 

I think we add another NT today, see who wins between Butler, Phillips (who can play both) and Zimmer (very athletic) 

I can see the 2021 IDL being:

 

NT

Star

Rookie

DT

Oliver

Butler vs Zimmer vs Phillips

 

 

4 DTs in total and 5 DEs

 

 

Harrison Phillips played much better towards the end of the season..........I expect him to be back to his 2019 form when he was clearly outplaying Star.........but he is another one who isn't very impactful.     

 

Zimmer is just a 3T.......he can't play the 1T or NT effectively.   Butler can play both.

 

Contrary to popular belief the second half of the season defense was quite good against possibly the Bills toughest schedule in decades........not sure what a 32 year old Star has to offer at this point.    Bills can't cut him because of the dead money hit, but they could IR him and just eat the rest of that foolish contract.    I agree that they pick up a DT in the draft yet or in UDFA.    Damon Harrison would be a big improvement over Lotulelei too and he played for around $2M last season.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Star and Addison are the least valuable.

 

Bam Johnson is really good on special teams and a breakout candidate so I don't see him going.    They can rationalize Obada as both a 3T and DE.    Zimmer is an energy player that I don't think they will want to let go.     

 

This is kinda' where keeping Addison and Butler didn't make a great deal of sense.........but I see them keeping 10 DL on the 53 anyway.  

I could see McB throwing some money at Hasson Reddick next year, who would replace Hughes or Addison. As AJE and GR develop. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Addison will be a healthy scratch by week 6 if he even makes the team. 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Harrison Phillips played much better towards the end of the season..........I expect him to be back to his 2019 form when he was clearly outplaying Star.........but he is another one who isn't very impactful.     

 

Zimmer is just a 3T.......he can't play the 1T or NT effectively.   Butler can play both.

 

Contrary to popular belief the second half of the season defense was quite good against possibly the Bills toughest schedule in decades........not sure what a 32 year old Star has to offer at this point.    Bills can't cut him because of the dead money hit, but they could IR him and just eat the rest of that foolish contract.    I agree that they pick up a DT in the draft yet or in UDFA.    Damon Harrison would be a big improvement over Lotulelei too and he played for around $2M last season.

Phillips did come back from being a healthy scratch mid-season to play better. He is still a very limited player. Assuming they draft a 1-tech DT he will be one of the 4 or 5 current players on the bubble to make the team. 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

I see posts about trading Hughes but I really question whether we can get enough value in trade. Who is going to offer up valuable picks or players for him at his age... only someone who is a 2021 contender. I can't see trading him for a 2022 4th rounder from a playoff team.

[No_Matter_What]

Well this topic escalated rather quickly

 

As many of you said it is too soon to deal with this but it will be really interesting what will happen. Thats a lot of DEs in the room right now.

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

I think they keep Hughes and Addison.  Best 2 of Epenesa, Rousseau, and Basham play.  

[Virgil]

Oh boy

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

8 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

I see posts about trading Hughes but I really question whether we can get enough value in trade. Who is going to offer up valuable picks or players for him at his age... only someone who is a 2021 contender. I can't see trading him for a 2022 4th rounder from a playoff team.

 

I can't imagine any team trading for him or Addison based on their contract regardless of leave of pick.  Just being able to trade either, I believe reduces the cap hit to the Bills compared to cutting him.

 

The only one I see with any trade value is Phillips due to cheap contract.  Would they trade Epinesa?? Probably he too would have value.

[wppete]

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Disagree about Star, Ed Oliver was our only other effective NT. 
 

I think we add another NT today, see who wins between Butler, Phillips (who can play both) and Zimmer (very athletic) 

I can see the 2021 IDL being:

 

NT

Star

Rookie

DT

Oliver

Butler vs Zimmer vs Phillips

 

 

4 DTs in total and 5 DEs

 

Um...AFAIK, Phillips doesn't play 3TDT like Oliver and Butler and Zimmer

He's a 1TDT like Star

He lined up as a 3TDT at times last season when the Bills were using 3TDT as a "good conduct prize" for trying to bust your but at 1TDT

But I don't think 3T is Harry's strong point, any more than playing 1T is Oliver's

 

I don't think either of our rookies (so far) are types to succeed as a 1T

[Hebert19]

What are Cap savings now to cut Addison or hughes

[Hapless Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

What are Cap savings now to cut Addison or hughes

 

It's been explained several places upthread, or Overthecap/Spotrac are at your service

[Hapless Bills Fan]

So OP, you might need to change that to "Odd Men Out"

 

The main issue is we can't PS this year's draft pick

I don't think we part with Lotulelei (cap, also 1T), Addison (cap) or Hughes (experience, leadership) this year

Oliver also likely gets more time as a 3rd year 1st rounder.

 

But we clearly can't keep everyone we got on the roster

[NoSaint]

42 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

So OP, you might need to change that to "Odd Men Out"

 

The main issue is we can't PS this year's draft pick

I don't think we part with Lotulelei (cap, also 1T), Addison (cap) or Hughes (experience, leadership) this year

Oliver also likely gets more time as a 3rd year 1st rounder.

 

But we clearly can't keep everyone we got on the roster

Addison could still go out the door pretty easily as a June 1

[IndyMark]

Currently we have, what, 15/16 DL on the roster?  Clearly the math does not line up in keeping that # on the active roster.  Sure there are a few that would be easy to PS or cut (i.e., Cox, Love)....yet, I also think that Johnson is safe as Beane made a point to acknowledge him in the conversation about Rousseau.  I actually think Addison and/or Hughes may not make it out of camp.  Addison is just not that effective. He may be a good mentor early on and in camp, but then his work would be done and it would be an easy cut.  Butler also is expendable. This gets us closer to 10.  I think the youth movement on the DL is actually upon us now, not two years from now.  Really, if we played Basham and Rousseau how much of a drop off would it truly be from what we saw from Addison or Oliver last year, honestly?  Not much, in fact it could be an upgrade. Regardless, the camp battles will be healthy and helpful to our defense moving forward.

[NoSaint]

11 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

When you look at it, the Bills have the same body type DE over and over.

 

Johnson is 6'6" 4.82

 

Obada is 6'6" 4.63

 

Epenesa is 6'6" 5.04 

 

And now Rousseau is 6'6" 4.68 

 

So there is redundancy there. 

 

You would think the DE's they would keep are Hughes, Addison, Epenesa, Rosseau and the last spot between Johnson and Obada because neither has been a starting caliber pro. 

 

 

DT is Oliver, Zimmer, Star, Butler, Phillips. 

 

Maybe the Bills try and trade Oliver while he still has draft stock upside and keep Zimmer? 

 

Because the way it stands now, Oliver is not an every down player, he's not been a difference maker.   

 

 

 

oliver isn’t being traded 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Playing time is earned not given.

 

To me Johnson has long odds.

Obada isn't guaranteed anything, could be a trade candidate since he was cheap. 

Addison restructured, is clearly a team guy. But if he's hitting the wall, he doesn't need to be hitting it here. 

 

One of those 3 makes the 53, and probably is inactive as the season goes on.

 

[That's No Moon]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not a clue why they’d cut Hughes but keep Addison. One is clearly better and actually an effective pass rusher. One is not.....really have no clue why they kept Addison.

Season hasn't started yet.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not a clue why they’d cut Hughes but keep Addison. One is clearly better and actually an effective pass rusher. One is not.....really have no clue why they kept Addison.

Hughes is clearly more disruptive then Addison. I was very disappointed with Mario's production last year. When he missed that sack on the hail Murray I cringed. These 3 young DE's will be the foundation, the rest on borrowed time. I do like Obada and hope he gets a chance.

[transplantbillsfan]

It's Johnson.  I think that's obvious at this point.

 

Addison is a close 2nd, but I don't really know his contract situation in terms of what we save if we cut him and when.

 

For our DTs Star is obviously our starter (God I hope he's in shape!!!) and Oliver is in there, as well.  Personally, I think Zimmer makes the team.  Phillips might be gone.  Butler was too good comparatively last year not to remain.

 

And I think Obada's actual NFL production combined with his relationship with Washington keeps him in Buffalo.

 

To me, Beane is hedging his bets on the DL with the belief that our offense can run with anyone at this point, but our D needs to STOP Elite QBs like Mahomes.

 

Next offseason is going to be much more interesting than this offseason.  This offseason we re-signed all of our own... which was friggin AWESOME!!!

 

Next offseason we're going to likely see some guys we love (Hughes, Morse, Beasely?, Poyer?) not re-signed or just cut and we're going to have a more interesting draft where we fill those holes or we wind up relying on guys on our roster (Jaquon Johnson at Safety) for replacement players as starters.

[CaptnCoke11]

Basham makes Addison expendable.  Save the 5.3 million and release him 

[That's No Moon]

Just now, CaptnCoke11 said:

Basham makes Addison expendable.  Save the 5.3 million and release him 

try to trade him tomorrow for a 4th

[Process]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Hughes is clearly more disruptive then Addison. I was very disappointed with Mario's production last year. When he missed that sack on the hail Murray I cringed. These 3 young DE's will be the foundation, the rest on borrowed time. I do like Obada and hope he gets a chance.

As someone who had a hefty amount on the Bills money line that game, I'll never forgive Addison for that play. Won't have closure until he's off the team.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Process

[ColoradoBills]

14 hours ago, Melon said:

I think we need to look at the DEs specifically

 

Hughes

Addison

Epenesa

Johnson

Obada

Rousseau

 

 

Beane has kept 5 DEs before so I think Beane does it again. I think it will come down to Johnson versus Obada unless Addison is cut for cap savings but I am not sure of the impact that would have.

 

yep, end thread.

[SCBills]

Star/Oliver/Butler are locks

 

Basham/Rousseau/Epenesa are locks

 

Hughes and Obada have better than not odds 

 

Everyone else is on notice. 
 

Edited May 1, 2021 by SCBills

[ColoradoBills]

I'm starting to think that all these guys we are talking about go to camp.

Hopefully no injuries but you never know so there is that to consider.

By cut down day the new guys will have been evaluated.

 

Addison could easily be the odd man out especially with a post 1 June cut splitting some of his dead money.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mario-addison-8871/

[Straight Hucklebuck]

With all these picks on the Defensive Line, Addison has to go and Darryl Johnson/Efe Obada.

 

Cap hit or not, there is no room.

 

Maybe, like Epenesa, the Bills ask Basham to lose weight and he coverts to a Linebacker and plays the Lorenzo Alexander position.

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBill]

18 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

Daryl Johnson is going to have a tough time making this team.

 

Johnson has flashed at times. It will depend on whether he can make himself shine consistently.

[oldmanfan]

Beane will trade Addison and pick up a 7th rounder.  Simmer and/or Phillips will be gone either by release or trade; my assumption is they are drafting a 1 tech guy.  Johnson is on the bubble; if a Rousseau or Basham can play special teams well then Johnson probably it s gone.

[Simon Says]

21 hours ago, Melon said:

I think we need to look at the DEs specifically

 

Hughes

Addison

Epenesa

Johnson

Obada

Rousseau

 

 

Beane has kept 5 DEs before so I think Beane does it again. I think it will come down to Johnson versus Obada unless Addison is cut for cap savings but I am not sure of the impact that would have.

I'm thinking Addison ( and Harrison Phillips?) is on the bubble. Johnson is a key special- teamer. So possibly Hughes,Epenesa, Johnson ,Obada, Basham and Rousseau make it.

[OrtonHearsaWho]

The number of people in this thread suggesting that Jerry could be the odd man out is absolutely stunning to me.

[TheBeaneBandit]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Beane will trade Addison and pick up a 7th rounder.  Simmer and/or Phillips will be gone either by release or trade; my assumption is they are drafting a 1 tech guy.  Johnson is on the bubble; if a Rousseau or Basham can play special teams well then Johnson probably it s gone.

That would be nice for some cap savings. We could then trade for Ertz and sign Sherman. Doubt anyone takes Addison though.

[SCBills]

Great discussion on WGR about this right now.  
 

I could absolutely see Johnson, Harry, Zimmer etc all gone and we view these guys as one bucket and not just DE’s and DT’s.  
 

Outside only: Hughes/Addison

Inside only: Oliver/Star/Butler

 

Inside & Outside: Basham/Rousseau/Obada/Epenesa

[machine gun kelly]

Addison is probably out if the young guys progress after June.  He didn’t do much last year after the previous four years as solid.

 

it does make me wonder if r. Sherman could work for a one year rental.  He’s smart and could at least keep the fort down if he’s willing to train Dane.

 

as far as today,  maybe big nickel S, 1tech DT, TE under the radar.  Once the top 2 came off the board I don’t see RB.

[Victory Formation]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

Star/Oliver/Butler are locks

 

Basham/Rousseau/Epenesa are locks

 

Hughes and Obada have better than not odds 

 

Everyone else is on notice. 
 

Honestly, if it were me and I know this is going to be very very unpopular but I would keep Rousseau, Boogie, Epenesa, Obada and Johnson. Just go for a complete youth movement on the DL and dump Hughes and Addison to save some money. That’s what I would do. In no way am I predicting that this is what Beane will do, but once again, this is just what I would do. Did Hughes or Addison even break 5 sacks last year? I think there is a very strong chance that Rousseau and Boogie can surpass that level of production and I haven’t given up on Epenesa yet either. I thought he was a nice pick last year and Obada to me is very intriguing, he may do something. Rousseau and Boogie will both be 10+ sack guys, give them that experience, no point in waiting, not short term nor long term.