Blank Stare Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) Ooof. If that was his take on Josh, what did he think of Tua? 🤦♂️ Edited April 16, 2021 by TheProcess 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, H2o said: Good morning my friends and TGIF. Sometimes, usually on Friday mornings when some of us come in for a few hours (usually we work 4 10's), all of us will grab a cup of coffee and bs for a half hour or so about football. One of the other supervisors who was there is a Dolphins fan. We got to talking about the draft, how many teams need a QB, and where we thought people were going. I said I'm glad the Bills finally have a QB after 25 years. Dolphins fan says, "yeah, the jury is still out on that one." I asked him how so? I gave the breakdown of how Josh has gotten better every year in every statistical category. I also said look at the leap from his 2nd year to his 3rd year, it's insane. He was 2nd in the MVP voting accounting for 46 total TD's and broke all kinds of Bills records for Christ sake. He just says, "Covid, no fans in the stands." He then went on to say because of that Josh was able to go through his pre-snap reads and make multiple play changes if necessary. Reason being there was no crowd noise to distract or hinder him. He said you'll see if he's really the guy this year when everyone has fans in the stands again. I said this may be somewhat true on the checks at the line, but he's still the one back there who has to read the defense, find the open man, and deliver an accurate ball. The lack of fans have nothing to do with his improved accuracy to every level of the field. He said Josh looked pretty shook against KC. Their crowd noise affected him early and then it carried throughout the game. I said there was a whole lot of other ***t that were the determining factors in that game, but crowd noise wasn't high up on that list. After that he just kind of smirked and said, "We'll see." I'm not attributing Josh's success last year to no fans being in stadiums, but it led me create this topic for discussion on here. Imo, he's just continually improving on a yearly basis and I feel that's been evident to all of us here without an ax to grind. Either way, how much do you all attribute Josh's 2020 season to the fact it was played in relative silence on the field? The nerve of a Fish fan dissing Josh like that when their very own QB Tua Turntheballover looked pretty bad against us. In all seriousness, I would've just laughed it off and then stabbed him in the back of the hand with a ball-point pen and growled "Don't f*** with H2o!" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 That’s rich coming from a Dolphins fan whose team is basically JV competition for Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, H2o said: Good morning my friends and TGIF. Sometimes, usually on Friday mornings when some of us come in for a few hours (usually we work 4 10's), all of us will grab a cup of coffee and bs for a half hour or so about football. One of the other supervisors who was there is a Dolphins fan. We got to talking about the draft, how many teams need a QB, and where we thought people were going. I said I'm glad the Bills finally have a QB after 25 years. Dolphins fan says, "yeah, the jury is still out on that one." I asked him how so? I gave the breakdown of how Josh has gotten better every year in every statistical category. I also said look at the leap from his 2nd year to his 3rd year, it's insane. He was 2nd in the MVP voting accounting for 46 total TD's and broke all kinds of Bills records for Christ sake. He just says, "Covid, no fans in the stands." He then went on to say because of that Josh was able to go through his pre-snap reads and make multiple play changes if necessary. Reason being there was no crowd noise to distract or hinder him. He said you'll see if he's really the guy this year when everyone has fans in the stands again. I said this may be somewhat true on the checks at the line, but he's still the one back there who has to read the defense, find the open man, and deliver an accurate ball. The lack of fans have nothing to do with his improved accuracy to every level of the field. He said Josh looked pretty shook against KC. Their crowd noise affected him early and then it carried throughout the game. I said there was a whole lot of other ***t that were the determining factors in that game, but crowd noise wasn't high up on that list. After that he just kind of smirked and said, "We'll see." I'm not attributing Josh's success last year to no fans being in stadiums, but it led me create this topic for discussion on here. Imo, he's just continually improving on a yearly basis and I feel that's been evident to all of us here without an ax to grind. Either way, how much do you all attribute Josh's 2020 season to the fact it was played in relative silence on the field? I've heard that here and there also about the "no fans" talk. I don't buy that crap for a second. I mean like, so he played great because it was more quiet? Lol, I mean if that's the case then why didn't all QBs have a bust out season. Anyways, I like it more when they are in denial about Bills finally having a franchise QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Your coworker sounds like an alcoholic. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, H2o said: . Either way, how much do you all attribute Josh's 2020 season to the fact it was played in relative silence on the field? Yea, cos only Allen benefited from the lack of fans. I can understand homerism, but man this is a stretch! Tell him to wrap himself in denial inside his Tua blanket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 You should have said, well that explains why he slays them in Miami every year. The stadium is always empty 😆 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said: You should have said, well that explains why he slays them in Miami every year. The stadium is always empty 😆 @H2o If you have a way to bring this conversation back around, George Costanza style, you have to use the line above! Edited April 16, 2021 by Logic 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, H2o said: Either way, how much do you all attribute Josh's 2020 season to the fact it was played in relative silence on the field? None...sounds like your friend is jealous and I projecting his insecurities about his QB and crowd noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 In the co-workers defence, we spent close to 20 years finding excuses for Tom Brady kicking everyone’s collective ass. Having a QB like Josh invokes jealousy and opposing teams’ fans need to rationalize it. I am happy to not be in the Fins fans shoes, reliving glory years. We are in the Bills new glory years and we have a lot of them coming with Mr Allen behind center. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Well my mom always tells me you can't fix stupid. And then always looks at me of all people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 The phrase I see most often on other message boards is "I'm still not sold on Allen." I just kind of smile. I've seen enough, as I think most here have. I think those saying that haven't really watched the games. And I think that's just an instinct of opposing fans. I spent 10 years of Brady's career trying to marginalize him as a dink-and-dunk system QB. Oops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I had my concerns regarding the attendance thing in while it may hold some weight it is not nearly enough to say for sure. All the QB's in the league played in the same type of environments this year and Josh balled out. Any way I decided to take a harder look into the attendance thing and below are Josh Allen stats broken down by Attendance games vs non attendance games. To me there was not much of a difference. KC playoff was the outlier for attendance but I think that game had more to do with protection and the mugging of our injured receivers more than a attendance thing. GM 1: HOME W 27-17 VS JETS ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 2 AWAY W 31-28 VS DOLPHINS ATTENDANCE: 11,075 GM 3 HOME W 35-32 VS RAMS ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 4 AWAY W 30-23 VS RAIDERS ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 5 AWAY L 16-42 VS TITANS ATTENDANCE: 8,403 GM 6 HOME L 17-26 VS CHIEFS ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 7 AWAY W 18-10 VS JETS ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 8 HOME W 24-21 VS PATS ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 9 HOME W 44-34 VS SEA ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 10 AWAY L 30-32 VS ARI ATTENDANCE: 4,200 GM 11 HOME W 27-17 VS CHARGERS ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 12 AWAY W 34-24 VS 49ERS ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 13 HOME W 26-15 VS PITT ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 14 AWAY W 48-19 VS DEN ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 15 AWAY W 38-9 VS PATS ATTENDANCE: 0 GM 16 HOME W 56-26 VS DOLPHINS ATTENDANCE: 0 WC: HOME W 27-24 VS COLTS ATTENDANCE: 6,772 DIV HOME W 17-3 VS RAVENS ATTENDANCE: 6,772 CONF: AWAY L 24-38 VS CHIEFS ATTENDANCE: 16,993 ATTENDANCE GAMES: 3-3 ATTENDANCE AVG: 9036 INCLUDING KC ATTENDANCE AVE 7444 EXCLUDING KC Josh Allen ATTENDANCE GAMES STATS: COMP ATT % YARDS TD INT 28 48 287 2 1 23 37 206 1 0 26 35 324 2 0 32 49 284 2 2 26 41 263 2 2 24 35 415 4 0 6 GM 159 245 1779 13 5 AVG 27 41 66% 296 2 1 Josh Allen NON ATTENDANCE GAMES: 33 46 312 2 0 24 33 311 4 1 24 34 288 2 0 14 27 122 2 1 30 43 307 0 0 11 18 154 0 1 31 38 415 3 0 32 49 284 2 2 18 24 157 1 1 32 40 375 4 0 24 43 238 2 1 28 40 359 2 0 27 36 320 4 0 18 25 224 3 1 14GM 346 496 3866 31 8 AVG: 25 35 71% 276 2 .6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Having no fans may have helped him big time (it really did), but the jury has reached their decision: 17 is a stud. Case closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 What is this "going into work" of which you speak? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, flaz said: Not sure why the injuries, to all four of our wide receivers, don't get the lion's share of the blame for that loss Exactly! Anytime I hear any national talk about that game it seems nobody brings up the fact that every one of our receivers was banged up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: None...sounds like your friend is jealous and I projecting his insecurities about his QB and crowd noise. yeah really.....crowd noise can have a little bit of effect at times but not at all to the degree that person suggest. I mean the improvement Allen made the 2019 season was good and it was noisy. It's comical, Allen's 1st year he had the absolute worst WR help in the league. 2nd year he gets a John Brown, Beasley and he improves. 3rd year throw in a Stefon Diggs and he does great. And they want to say he did great due to no crowd noise. It's almost like all Allen needed was good/reliable weapons the whole time....LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Maynard said: Exactly! Anytime I hear any national talk about that game it seems nobody brings up the fact that every one of our receivers was banged up. Not to mention getting mauled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 In the AFC Championship game we not only had a hobbled WR group, but likely our poorest OL performance of the season and a Ref crew who let KC get away with everything. Josh could only do so much. When KC faced The Golden One in the SB it was the exact opposite. Tampa got the calls we should have gotten and they hit Kermit every chance they could. We all know how that worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Josh Allen is a problem that Miami hasn't had an answer to yet. It makes perfect sense that a fish fan expects him to get worse because hes trying to project future success for his team. The trouble is after 3 years you have sufficient sample size to observe trends in his development and it's pretty clear the arrow has been pointing ever upward. I hope that JA remains under scrutiny because so far it's only driven him to improve. He's taken unfounded criticism of every sort and used it as motivation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I'll admit that I'm a little nervous to see if this year was an aberration and whether there is a regression. My gut says that there won't be a huge drop off, if any. He showed sustained improvement across the board and the lack of fan noise helped (but helped all QBs last year) and that is not a major reason. The addition of Diggs was a major reason for the improvement. All good QBs have a "go to" high performing receiver. But, Josh learned to trust his playmakers this year which, again, is a skill and he improved there. I'd be more worried about Diggs going down than having fans in stands. You Dolphin co-worker is in a bit of denial and probably deep down realizes that the Dolphins will be in trouble for years unless they get the QB position solved. If Josh Allen has trouble with fans i nthe stands, then I'd like to see how Tua handles it. Hint- Peterman vs Chargers in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Here's the real issue with your buddy at work. People labeled Josh Allen an inaccurate bust before he was drafted. Josh's first year wasn't great, so they all felt like they could pat themselves in the back. They didn't take the time to actually watch him in year 2 or 3, so they stood on that hill and were proven wrong again and again. They will probably continue to do so for another year or two and finally you'll start to hear excuses like "his supporting cast is amazing" and "the crowd noise wasn't loud enough." My suggestion is to take a bet with the guy. Last year my friend literally bet me >1K that Josh would be bottom 5 in the league in completion percentage. It was the easiest money I've ever made. Rather than getting frustrated with the guy, just take his money. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 The key to these types of discussions isn't the leap from year 2 to 3 it's the leap from year 1 to 2. Going from 10 TD/12 INT to 20 TD/9 INT and 53% completion to 59% completion was amazing. The year 3 jump makes a lot of sense in the context of the year 2 jump. And for the record to much is made of the Championship game. The Bills lost on the road to the defending Super Bowl champions. Allen didn't have the perfect game like he did a couple of times during the season but he still accounted for nearly 400 total yards of offense. The idea that Allen is at any risk to fall back to his 2019 play or the lunatic idea he could regress back to 2018 is just passive/aggressive anti-Allen BS. It's hard to take this stuff seriously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 On second thought, I think the guy is on to something. Mark my words, dear Bills fans, there's going to be a rush to get deaf quarterbacks under center........and soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Your coworker sounds like an alcoholic. ..and made up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Josh was definitely shook but because he was pressured all day....just like Mahomes in the Super Bowl. That's how you beat great QB's. So true, that’s why the Bills lack of a pass rush threat from their base 11 is so concerning. At times they generated some pressure with blitzes but not so much when it was 4 rushing. KC also played physical d in the AFC championship game and the Bills seemed to have no consistent answers. I get it that our WR corps was playing injured but when Diggs was shut down there was not anyone else clearly stepping up. It would be knock to see Knox take a step forward this season and up his game to possibly fill that void. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 If Dolphins fan were to get together with Jaguars fan and his collection of blue tarps to talk football would it build a sense of bonding and community, or would each feel a sense insecurity and distrust at the shattered sense of identity that would accompany the realization that they weren't the only fan of a Florida based NFL team in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) I'm gonna say a thing here that will probably not be very popular: A small, nagging voice in my head won't be silenced until Josh shows that he can continue his high level of play once 60,000+ fans have returned to the stadiums. All available evidence points to Allen more than likely being an elite, franchise level guy. That said, I can't COMPLETELY ignore the fact that he went from average NFL starter to elite stud in a year where there weren't fans in the stands. And then in the one game where there WERE a decent level of loud, rowdy fans, he didn't display the same MVP level of performance that he had all season. I know, I know, there were lots of factors in that KC game, many of which have already been mentioned here. Still... I THINK Josh Allen is going to be great this year. But until he comes out and actually DOES it, in front of hostile fans and whatnot...there will still be that small, nagging doubt in my mind. Edited April 16, 2021 by Logic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I’ve heard this argument before and the biggest reason why it sucks is that would only matter at on the road. So even if he’s 2019 JA on the road and 2020 at home, he’s still a top 10 qb. But the reason Allen made huge strides was his ability to put touch on passes. Especially deep. Tell your boss to have fun with Tua and burning that draft capital for a new qb next offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 The lack of fans in the stands didn't seem to help Tua... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: Here's the real issue with your buddy at work. People labeled Josh Allen an inaccurate bust before he was drafted. Josh's first year wasn't great, so they all felt like they could pat themselves in the back. They didn't take the time to actually watch him in year 2 or 3, so they stood on that hill and were proven wrong again and again. They will probably continue to do so for another year or two and finally you'll start to hear excuses like "his supporting cast is amazing" and "the crowd noise wasn't loud enough." My suggestion is to take a bet with the guy. Last year my friend literally bet me >1K that Josh would be bottom 5 in the league in completion percentage. It was the easiest money I've ever made. Rather than getting frustrated with the guy, just take his money. Funny thing about the bold though is those ones who prematurely patted themselves on back refuse to acknowledge the fact that 1st year Josh had WR's that were worst in the league and so, so many drops they had. Was the worst surrounding cast of "help" I think I have ever seen. Not only on a Bills team, but any team. I mean one would expect him to have struggled some due to his was a rookie. But hell, they certainly didn't do him any favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, Logic said: I'm gonna say a thing here that will probably not be very popular: A small, nagging voice in my head won't be silenced until Josh shows that he can continue his high level of play once 60,000+ fans have returned to the stadiums. All available evidence points to Allen more than likely being an elite, franchise level guy. That said, I can't COMPLETELY ignore the fact that he went from average NFL starter to elite stud in a year where there weren't fans in the stands. And then in the one game where there WERE a decent level of loud, rowdy fans, he didn't display the same MVP level of performance that he had all season. I know, I know, there were lots of factors in that KC game, many of which have already been mentioned here. Still... I THINK Josh Allen is going to be great this year. But until he comes out and actually DOES it, in front of hostile fans and whatnot...there will still be that small, nagging doubt in my mind. See I just don't see that. Home games noise isn't a factor while offense is on field, for most part. He improved in 2019 with crowd noise. But he improved because Brown and Beasley finally gave him reliable help. Past season throw a Great S. Diggs in the mix with them and I would say that is reason he was so good. I mean each year of improvement Josh was given more/better help. Also the fact G. Davis turned out to be a very good rookie WR that offered lots of help. I just don't get the "no fans" take myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 The Bills will have nine home games and at least games in Miami and Jersey, for at least 11 games where crowd noise won’t be a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 hours ago, whatdrought said: Life gets infinitely easier when you learn that some people (most, really) are only worth 3 words from you: “You’re an idiot.” If you want to get creative you can go further and say: “is this stupid take a result of your bitterness that your team, and subsequently all fans of your team, are Josh’s B word? If so, I’m sorry for you.” Best I ever heard was “My lord, you’ve been blessed with a touch of the downs.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I said all last year that the lack of crowds should have helped every offense in every game. It also kept games relatively quiet, which can only help the nerves of any young player. I personally think the lack of a crowd would have helped me personally if I was out there. But the question is how much of a factor was it for any specific player. I don't think it should be regarded as overly important, whereas your co-worker seems to be hanging his entire argument on this single aspect of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Tell the Fish fan then they’re really in trouble with Tua then! Time to draft another QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Should of told him that luckily Josh doesn't have to worry about that against the Dolphins it's practically a home game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 hours ago, H2o said: Good morning my friends and TGIF. Sometimes, usually on Friday mornings when some of us come in for a few hours (usually we work 4 10's), all of us will grab a cup of coffee and bs for a half hour or so about football. One of the other supervisors who was there is a Dolphins fan. We got to talking about the draft, how many teams need a QB, and where we thought people were going. I said I'm glad the Bills finally have a QB after 25 years. Dolphins fan says, "yeah, the jury is still out on that one." I asked him how so? I gave the breakdown of how Josh has gotten better every year in every statistical category. I also said look at the leap from his 2nd year to his 3rd year, it's insane. He was 2nd in the MVP voting accounting for 46 total TD's and broke all kinds of Bills records for Christ sake. He just says, "Covid, no fans in the stands." He then went on to say because of that Josh was able to go through his pre-snap reads and make multiple play changes if necessary. Reason being there was no crowd noise to distract or hinder him. He said you'll see if he's really the guy this year when everyone has fans in the stands again. I said this may be somewhat true on the checks at the line, but he's still the one back there who has to read the defense, find the open man, and deliver an accurate ball. The lack of fans have nothing to do with his improved accuracy to every level of the field. He said Josh looked pretty shook against KC. Their crowd noise affected him early and then it carried throughout the game. I said there was a whole lot of other ***t that were the determining factors in that game, but crowd noise wasn't high up on that list. After that he just kind of smirked and said, "We'll see." I'm not attributing Josh's success last year to no fans being in stadiums, but it led me create this topic for discussion on here. Imo, he's just continually improving on a yearly basis and I feel that's been evident to all of us here without an ax to grind. Either way, how much do you all attribute Josh's 2020 season to the fact it was played in relative silence on the field? Zero other qbs played in the same environment how’d they do? Quite frankly if Josh isn’t the best player on the field they lose to the Colts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 So, wait. If Tua was terrible with no fans in the stadium, what does that mean for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Logic said: I'm gonna say a thing here that will probably not be very popular: A small, nagging voice in my head won't be silenced until Josh shows that he can continue his high level of play once 60,000+ fans have returned to the stadiums. All available evidence points to Allen more than likely being an elite, franchise level guy. That said, I can't COMPLETELY ignore the fact that he went from average NFL starter to elite stud in a year where there weren't fans in the stands. And then in the one game where there WERE a decent level of loud, rowdy fans, he didn't display the same MVP level of performance that he had all season. I know, I know, there were lots of factors in that KC game, many of which have already been mentioned here. Still... I THINK Josh Allen is going to be great this year. But until he comes out and actually DOES it, in front of hostile fans and whatnot...there will still be that small, nagging doubt in my mind. You do realize every other qb dealt with the same circumstances right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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