Jayson Oweh DE PSU my first round TGT.

[NewEra]

51 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

I hated that pick but Whitner over Ngata is every bit as awful, I’d argue worse since ngata is a 1st ballot HOFer

💯 

 

other than everyone over Brady 🤣

[Doc]

Another Mike Mamula?

[wppete]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

An inexperienced DE from PSU.  What could go wrong?

[Turk71]

Did this guy really run a 4.36 40? That's insane. 6'5" 257 pounds running 4.36? wtf? 

  Has he ever played rb or wr?

39.5" vertical leap, over 11' broad jump, 21 reps on the bench, guy is an athletic freak.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Turk71

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Maybin wasn’t even close to Oweh athletic profile. And we are talking 30 not 11. 
 

inexperienced athletic Gifted QB traded up for how did that work out?

Inexperienced? Josh started 25 games at Wyoming and was a two year starter.  Im not going to bother to look it up but my guess is of the 2021 NFL draft prospects only Lawrence will have more starts in college - he had 40 becuase he had 15 starts as a Freshman.

 

For the record, I like Oweh too and he would be a steal at 30, but the Maybin parallels are a bit unnerving.

[Turk71]

Maybin

40 Yard Dash:4.78 seconds

Vertical Leap:38.0 inches

Broad Jump:124 inches

20 Yd Shuttle:4.38 seconds

Three Cone:7.52 seconds

 

Oweh

40 yrds 4.36 secs

vertical leap 39.5"

broad jump 134"

20 yrd shuttle 4.15 secs

3 cone  6.85 secs

 

Not even in the same ballpark athletically, not even close. Oweh is also taller and 10 pounds heavier.

I'm not saying Oweh will be good. I'm saying the Maybin comparisons are lazy and imo inaccurate.

[Thurman#1]

IMO he's a more natural fit as a 3-4 LB, a pass rusher, but might not fit this defense. I'm not at all sure he can hold the edge, which is what they want from their DEs on running plays.

[delirious]

You did not convince me enough to move my support away from Creed Humphrey or Landon Dickerson at pick 30. 

 

I feel like if I were to take a chance on one of these edges, it's be Jalen Phillips. Provided his mindset is good and I strongly feel like he won't quit again. Dude is a beast. 

[GunnerBill]

Similar to my thoughts on Ossai out of Texas a couple of weeks ago. I think if he makes an impact early it will be on a 3-4 team. If the Bills draft him then as a rookie his role is to play on some 3rd downs and rush mainly from a 2 point stance. I am not against them taking a swing at a high ceiling guy to play edge who might not be a day 1 starter though. Just think fans would need to be patient. I can well imagine the "Oweh is a BUST" posts at the end of his rookie year.

[atlbillsfan1975]

8 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

So in

2017 as a Frosh had 2 sacks. 

2019 as a SO had 5 Sacks. 

2020 Opted out. 
 

there is production trending up for him I don’t really think it will be a long development at all and would play in Epenesa Roll this year rotational learning more than playing. 

Can you put some context on those sacks? When and against who? I’m not for or against the player. I’ve seen a few posters say things like hard pass. One poster claims to be a PSU fan and says no. I wish those posters could give some reasoning.

 

As for the Josh comparison, the mental side is what flipped me. I was guilty of listening to all the pundits. Once Josh was selected I spent the next day doing my own research  that included a psychosocial assessment from afar.  I watched tape from Wyoming to the senior bowl. I knew by the next afternoon that Josh had a far greater chance of being good or great than being a bust. 

[BillsFan1988]

9 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

reason:

 

best pure Athlete in the Draft IMO. Size Speed off the charts. He will be at 30 because of the limited games (20). Former Basketball player but very raw in football. Can be perfect for a team that can bring him along slowly and I think the Bills can afford that. If he had more games he would not make it out of the top 10. 
 

they did it with QB and MLB. Now Beane goes the same model at the DE of the future. I have him graded as the 35th best player in the draft. 
 

will have to add maybe 10 pounds as a 4-3 DE but has the frame to do that. Rookie season a spot rusher while learning. Ceiling it super high and if developed properly I think by year 3 people will put him in the elite DE talk. 
 

i really just wish he didn’t run this 40 though as now may go earlier than I was hoping. Before this 40 he was going to be there at 30. Now I am sure there are teams thinking the same let’s take him at 22 and see what we can develop with that natural god given talent. 

Tarzan can swing from tree but Tarzan no play football in NFL. 😂

 

Foreal though he's too light in the behind for my liking u got to have tree trunks for legs to play DE and also a big round behind. I'm serious. He's body type is Maybinish! These kinds of players are scary ntm he didn't do much on the college level as far as putting up stats. I'll pass on him. 

[BillsFan1988]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Not only is he raw but he turns 23 in December. I would be all about taking a chance on him somewhere but not in the first round. 

Exactly what I was thinking yes he's a physical freak but age and lack of production would only make me comfortable taking him at the end of the 2nd rd at pk #60. I think that's his best value for us. 

[CSBill]

9 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

reason:

 

best pure Athlete in the Draft IMO. Size Speed off the charts. He will be at 30 because of the limited games (20). Former Basketball player but very raw in football. Can be perfect for a team that can bring him along slowly and I think the Bills can afford that. If he had more games he would not make it out of the top 10. 
 

they did it with QB and MLB. Now Beane goes the same model at the DE of the future. I have him graded as the 35th best player in the draft. 
 

will have to add maybe 10 pounds as a 4-3 DE but has the frame to do that. Rookie season a spot rusher while learning. Ceiling it super high and if developed properly I think by year 3 people will put him in the elite DE talk. 
 

i really just wish he didn’t run this 40 though as now may go earlier than I was hoping. Before this 40 he was going to be there at 30. Now I am sure there are teams thinking the same let’s take him at 22 and see what we can develop with that natural god given talent. 

 

4.36 40 ... Former Basketball player but very raw in football. ... Shouldn't he be a Tight End ????

[OldTimer1960]

9 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Considering only been playing football 2 years we expect a fully honed Football Player?  And then Opted out this year. 

He did not opt out this year.  He played 7 games in 2020 and produced no sacks.  For sure the athletic ability is there, but will he ever be a very good DE and pass rusher?
 

I am not opposed to the Bills selecting him, but he would definitely be a risky pick based almost entirely on his potential over his little production.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jayson-oweh-1.html

[CSBill]

5 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

He did not opt out this year.  He played 7 games in 2020 and produced no sacks.  For sure the athletic ability is there, but will he ever be a very good DE and pass rusher?
 

I am not opposed to the Bills selecting him, but he would definitely be a risky pick based almost entirely on his potential over his little production.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jayson-oweh-1.html

 

He would be a swing for the fences for any team at the end of the draft. If you hit it, you could have a future superstar. Or, you miss, and go on to the next pitch. The questions is, is there enough there to take the risk. His production is low, but the measurements are impressive. That's why we're even having this conversation. But is it enough?

 

I do think the Bills are a team that could afford the gamble.

[BobbyC81]

9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

An inexperienced DE from PSU.  What could go wrong?

I know, I got the shakes when I saw that.

[BillsFan1988]

2 hours ago, delirious said:

You did not convince me enough to move my support away from Creed Humphrey or Landon Dickerson at pick 30. 

 

I feel like if I were to take a chance on one of these edges, it's be Jalen Phillips. Provided his mindset is good and I strongly feel like he won't quit again. Dude is a beast. 

Doesn't the concussions concern you? I won't touch him until #60 . I want Azeez Ojulari 

 

 

Measurables

Age 20, Will be 21 in June

Height: (6-foot-2 1⁄4 inches)
Weight: 249 pounds
Arm Length: 34 3/8 inches
Hand Span: 10 1⁄2 inches
40 Time: 4.60 seconds
Bench Press: 28 reps

 

Career Stats

Games Played: 23
Tackles: 68
Tackles For a loss: 18.5
Sacks: 15.0
Forced Fumbles: 5
Passes Defensed: 2

2020 Stats

Games Played: 10
Tackles: 31
Tackles For a loss: 12.5
Sacks: 9.5
Forced Fumbles: 4
Passes Defensed: 2

 

Quick Summary

Best: Athleticism, first step, length, versatility, mental processing
Worst: Technique, consistency
Projection: A starting EDGE with scheme versatility.

 

 

 

[JMF2006]

10 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I like Oweh, but I wonder if he’ll even get to us. Some smart people are putting him as the best DE in the class.

 

Some other people are saying only 6 years playing football and 1 year college starter  

 

He looks to be a project type player with a huge upside.

10 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

An inexperienced DE from PSU.  What could go wrong?

 

He could always be an underwear model if the DE thing doesn't work out

[JMF2006]

10 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

My Favorite was the Trade Up for McCargo 

 

Best part of that draft was Meatball

 

Proving a even a blind squirrel gets an acorn once in a while   

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Similar to my thoughts on Ossai out of Texas a couple of weeks ago. I think if he makes an impact early it will be on a 3-4 team. If the Bills draft him then as a rookie his role is to play on some 3rd downs and rush mainly from a 2 point stance. I am not against them taking a swing at a high ceiling guy to play edge who might not be a day 1 starter though. Just think fans would need to be patient. I can well imagine the "Oweh is a BUST" posts at the end of his rookie year.

I agree.  One thing that’s always in my mind with first round picks - especially ones later in the first - is second contracts.  If you take a Shaq Lawson, which is to say a player that’s probably going to be good, but not great, then that’s a tough second contract for the drafting team to give.  He’s almost certainly getting one, but from another team.  With high ceiling/low floor guys like Oweh it’ll be an easy decision either way.  If he flourishes, you pay him what’s expected on a first round pick’s second contract.  If he doesn’t, then he’s gone in 3-4 years.

[BeastMode54]

10 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Ugh. Now I’m down that anger rabbit hole. Maybin over Orakpo is still the worst drought era draft decision to me. It was never even defendable because everyone knew Orakpo was a better prospect. 

I have to say Troup over Gronk is much worse

[JimBob2232]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

Homer should input more than no.

 

care to expand?

sure.  It’s the potential word.  He is a physical freak of nature. That’s what attracted penn state to him. In his 3 years at penn state he has not been a difference maker.  In fact last season he declined in his performance and had ZERO sacks. 
 

sure he is an athletic freak.  Sure he has a high ceiling.  But he is also a 90% bust potential to me. He hasn’t shown any ability to develop that raw talent into on field production.  If he couldn’t do it at penn state in a college environment that has recently done extraordinarily well in developing talent - I highly doubt he is going to do that in on an NFL team who wants instant gratification and validation of their selection. 
 

i hope im wrong (especially if we do pick him).  And I wish him the best.  I just would be terrified of the “potential” word with him.  
 

im all in on parsons and friermuth. But not this kid.  Sorry. 

[Victory Formation]

Size isn’t everything. I’ve been a gym rat most of my life and I’ve seen dudes that are 5’9 at best and are able to move absurd amounts of weight, more so than people that are 6’5-6’6.  I mean, look at Aaron Donald.. Dude is what? 6’2 285? and he is freakishly strong.. Way stronger than men who are 40-50lbs heavier and 4-5 inches taller. I don’t get too caught up in numbers, but it is concerning that Oweh has all these physical gifts yet he still didn’t produce. I think football is a lot about leverage and technique, that’s key IMO. Great leverage will often beat out someone who is quite a bit stronger. Not saying that numbers are useless, but it should be used to corroborate what you see on tape, not the other way around.

[DJB]

11 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Has anyone been able to find the 10 yard split. I have been looking and cannot find it. Would really be interested in that number. 

20 games young at Football. Was a Basketball player. 

Considering only been playing football 2 years we expect a fully honed Football Player?  And then Opted out this year. 

 

https://relativeathleticscores.com/ras-information/?PlayerID=18983

 

10 yard split was 1.59 which is elite.

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

He would be a swing for the fences for any team at the end of the draft. If you hit it, you could have a future superstar. Or, you miss, and go on to the next pitch. The questions is, is there enough there to take the risk. His production is low, but the measurements are impressive. That's why we're even having this conversation. But is it enough?

 

I do think the Bills are a team that could afford the gamble.

 

He doesnt need to play every down.  Jerry Hughes had to grow into the position as well.  De is a position Buffalo is lacking a freak.  Hughes is that but he is 30 something.  Another De retired once.  At 30 for DE its not going to be a slam dunk if so hes top 5.  I wouldnt hate the pick.  Buffalo has solid guys throughout the roster.  In rd 1 get freak shows.  He would be that if available.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Mat68

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, JimBob2232 said:

sure.  It’s the potential word.  He is a physical freak of nature. That’s what attracted penn state to him. In his 3 years at penn state he has not been a difference maker.  In fact last season he declined in his performance and had ZERO sacks. 
 

sure he is an athletic freak.  Sure he has a high ceiling.  But he is also a 90% bust potential to me. He hasn’t shown any ability to develop that raw talent into on field production.  If he couldn’t do it at penn state in a college environment that has recently done extraordinarily well in developing talent - I highly doubt he is going to do that in on an NFL team who wants instant gratification and validation of their selection. 
 

i hope im wrong (especially if we do pick him).  And I wish him the best.  I just would be terrified of the “potential” word with him.  
 

im all in on parsons and friermuth. But not this kid.  Sorry. 

Don’t be sorry.  Thanks for your input.  I’ve only seen highlights.....and there’s not many.  I’m assuming the non highlight tape is much longer. 
 

I love the measurables.  That’s all so far.  
 

i’d love to trade up for Parsons if he slips. I think he’s the best front 7 player in the draft  by a wide margin.  
 

freiermuth in rd 2 would be nice, but I don’t think he gets there. If he’s the pick at 30 I wouldn’t be very happy.  He’s fill a hole and is the perfect compliment to knox imo, but his lack of separation in college is scary to me.  I guess when you have his stature, you don’t need separation, you just body up and snag the ball.   I think he’ll be a Kyle Rudolph type if everything works in his favor 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

Size isn’t everything. I’ve been a gym rat most of my life and I’ve seen dudes that are 5’9 at best and are able to move absurd amounts of weight, more so than people that are 6’5-6’6.  I mean, look at Aaron Donald.. Dude is what? 6’2 285? and he is freakishly strong.. Way stronger than men who are 40-50lbs heavier and 4-5 inches taller. I don’t get too caught up in numbers, but it is concerning that Oweh has all these physical gifts yet he still didn’t produce. I think football is a lot about leverage and technique, that’s key IMO. Great leverage will often beat out someone who is quite a bit stronger. Not saying that numbers are useless, but it should be used to corroborate what you see on tape, not the other way around.

ABSOLUTELY 

[JimBob2232]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Don’t be sorry.  Thanks for your input.  I’ve only seen highlights.....and there’s not many.  I’m assuming the non highlight tape is much longer. 
 

I love the measurables.  That’s all so far.  
 

i’d love to trade up for Parsons if he slips. I think he’s the best front 7 player in the draft  by a wide margin.  
 

freiermuth in rd 2 would be nice, but I don’t think he gets there. If he’s the pick at 30 I wouldn’t be very happy.  He’s fill a hole and is the perfect compliment to knox imo, but his lack of separation in college is scary to me.  I guess when you have his stature, you don’t need separation, you just body up and snag the ball.   I think he’ll be a Kyle Rudolph type if everything works in his favor 

Agreed.  I was super high on Gesicki coming out (full disclosure I was also fairly high on Hackenberg too but understood the risks there).  I like friermuth - but not as much as I liked Gesicki.  The “baby gronk” nickname isn’t really fair to him. I can’t see him being THAT good.  But still think he would be a welcome addition here - even at 30. 

my hope is people read WAY too much into parsons character issues and he slips enough for us to go up and get him.  But...I wouldn’t give up a ton to move up either.   
 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

12 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Ironically, the rest of that draft was pretty damn good.

 

Eric Wood, Jairus Byrd & Andy Levitre.

If they’d have grabbed Orakpo instead of Maybin that would be an all time great draft for this team... four pro bowlers with the first four picks. 

[HOUSE]

Poor Choice of track shoes

 

Hard pass

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

 

https://relativeathleticscores.com/ras-information/?PlayerID=18983

 

10 yard split was 1.59 which is elite.

Appreciate it.  Yep that is elite and what his Vert and Broad would show that explosion.

[Mojo44]

Will some of you kindly stop reminding me of our many past draft blunders. McCargo! Troup! Maybin! Whitner! Ko Simpson!, etc.  I was having a nice morning and now I am a little nauseous.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Mojo44
Typo

[DJB]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Appreciate it.  Yep that is elite and what his Vert and Broad would show that explosion.

 

No problem.

[HappyDays]

Cover1 posted a bunch of Oweh clips today:

 

https://twitter.com/i/events/1383095364287401987?s=09

 

I know he is raw but he looks like a force to be reckoned with, it's just going to take some patience with him. I would be happy with him as the pick at #30.

Edited April 16, 2021 by HappyDays

[BuffaloBill]

On 3/25/2021 at 8:48 PM, 4merper4mer said:

An inexperienced DE from PSU.  What could go wrong?

 

 

Is he an artist? If so, he’s a lock.

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Cover1 posted a bunch of Oweh clips today:

 

https://twitter.com/i/events/1383095364287401987?s=09

 

I know he is raw but he looks like a force to be reckoned with, it's just going to take some patience with him. I would be happy with him as the pick at #30.

Looks like Freeney in those clips, might not get past Baltimore.

[Don Otreply]

On 3/25/2021 at 8:58 PM, ScottLaw said:

There were quite a few of those draft blunders. Whitner, TJ Graham, Spiller, Maybin. Just awful. 

You guys gotta stop reminding us that those things happened so regularly, my involuntary twitch is gonna come back..., 

On 3/26/2021 at 7:50 AM, BeastMode54 said:

I have to say Troup over Gronk is much worse

Arrrgh! Please stop... 😂

[DJB]

On 3/25/2021 at 8:40 PM, MAJBobby said:

 

reason:

 

best pure Athlete in the Draft IMO. Size Speed off the charts. He will be at 30 because of the limited games (20). Former Basketball player but very raw in football. Can be perfect for a team that can bring him along slowly and I think the Bills can afford that. If he had more games he would not make it out of the top 10. 
 

they did it with QB and MLB. Now Beane goes the same model at the DE of the future. I have him graded as the 35th best player in the draft. 
 

will have to add maybe 10 pounds as a 4-3 DE but has the frame to do that. Rookie season a spot rusher while learning. Ceiling it super high and if developed properly I think by year 3 people will put him in the elite DE talk. 
 

i really just wish he didn’t run this 40 though as now may go earlier than I was hoping. Before this 40 he was going to be there at 30. Now I am sure there are teams thinking the same let’s take him at 22 and see what we can develop with that natural god given talent. 

 

The Penn state and Maybin narrative aside...are you not in the least bit concerned that for a guy who's supposed to help out a pass rush he produced a whopping ZERO sacks last year? 

[TheFunPolice]

with QBs being the first 7 picks in the draft, other plays will slide down to us!

[JMF2006]

58 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

The Penn state and Maybin narrative aside...are you not in the least bit concerned that for a guy who's supposed to help out a pass rush he produced a whopping ZERO sacks last year? 

 

But the real scary thing is most of the guys he lined up against will be bagging groceries

 

Now he has to go up against men....real strong and angry men

 

That other guy from Texas in the mock would be good.

Edited April 16, 2021 by JMF2006