PrimeTime101 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php Trading 30+61 for an 18 puts us at -1.32 about even trade That puts us a trade with Miami or Washington. I ran a mock draft with a few different calculators and these were just some of the players that were available. Edge Kwity Payne Edge Greggory Rousseau TE Kyle Pitts CB Caleb Farley T Christian Darrisaw T Tevin Jenkings CB Patrick Surtain II CB Jayce Horn LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah RB Najee Harris Other? Funny how much these sims vary This is something just for fun Thoughts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 No way in hell does Kyle Pitts last until 18. 9 1 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: This is something just for fun Thoughts You should tell us who we should trade up for who will make a difference to give up our 2nd.. I don’t see his name on that list other than Pitts who is long gone come 18 Edited March 22, 2021 by Aussie Joe 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 No thanks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: You should tell us who we should trade up for who will make a difference to give up our 2nd.. I don’t see his name on that list other than Pitts who is long gone come 18 Surtain, Farley and JOK are all difference makers. The two corners no way last to 18. JOK might but you don't trade up all that way for an off the ball linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php Trading 30+61 for an 18 puts us at -1.32 about even trade That puts us a trade with Miami or Washington. I ran a mock draft with a few different calculators and these were just some of the players that were available. Edge Kwity Payne Edge Greggory Rousseau TE Kyle Pitts CB Caleb Farley T Christian Darrisaw T Tevin Jenkings CB Patrick Surtain II CB Jayce Horn LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah RB Najee Harris Other? Funny how much these sims vary This is something just for fun Thoughts Kwity or Koramoah otherwise I pass on trading up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I think at least 2, but more likely 3-4 players from your list will be available at 30. I think people are underestimating how different boards will teams have this year, esp. when it comes to players who opted out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I think at least 2, but more likely 3-4 players from your list will be available at 30. I think people are underestimating how different boards will teams have this year, esp. when it comes to players who opted out. Jenkins will be there IMO. Maybe I am wrong but I don't see in such a strong tackle class people going for a guy who is a right tackle only that high. Remember the guy the Jags took out of Florida a couple of years ago - Jawaan Taylor? He did have a little bit of a medical flag but nothing serious and people talked him up all draft season as a potential top 10 or 15 player but I said all along "he is right side only and that will hurt his stock" and he ended up sliding into day 2. When NFL teams take tackles in round 1 they almost always believe they are guys who can man the left side, even if they don't necessarily intend to start them off there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Rather keep #30 and our second. Do not want anyone on the list at 18. We will let the draft fall to us at 30 and see what we can do. I wouldn’t be shocked if at least 2-3 of those guys aren’t still available at 30 and if we move up to draft a RB - I think our collective heads should explode. Man- I just can not wait for training camp. Edited March 22, 2021 by Rochesterfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I’d take the keys to the draft room away from Beane. This team is not one player away. Hell almost no team in the NFL is one player away - certainly not a rookie. Theta.ent level at 18 will be little different that at 30. Let a run on WR and QBs take place and watch the front 7 defenders fall nicely to you at 30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I’d be pretty bummed if they did this. We could use a decent rookie class this season. I’d hate to lose our second rounder. We need production from our first two picks imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Easy....Pitts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I am to busy working on my 2023 mock draft 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Easy....Pitts. Yup ditto! He won’t be there, but if he was I’d make that trade in a second. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 well, this draft is oddly important. we've traded up with mixed success (one huge win, one one, one maybe win, a couple losses), but it's clear beane and co like to deal on draft day. if they have their scouting down right, i'll trust them getting what they think is an immediately disruptive edge rusher, which is who i think we'd trade up for. the only other trade up value i can think of, is another tre white level corner who can paste on the other side, letting mccorch play wizard with the front 7 and create pass rush that way. while a pass rusher is the most glaring need, if we can get young tre like production out of a rookie contract, that really is a no brainer. with the rotation we have on DL, although i don't think we we have now fits the bill, we have a shot at manufacturing pass rusher. our cb2 will be on the pitch basically every snap. mega lock down corners on a mcbean D is a scary sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I am to busy working on my 2023 mock draft Where do have us picking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Are there any players in this draft, non-QBs, that are difference makers enough to trade up for? So far, this years crop seems uninspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rk_Bills86 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Trading up would mean that we think the person we are targeting is going to give us instant returns and is worth the move. Beane has only done this to to truly target individuals. That being said - I think picks are at a premium this year do to the cap and it's unlikely that teams drafting in the top 20 will want to drop back. I think our biggest issue is that we have no true "holes" on our team and any draft pick spent is either hope for improvement or depth/eventual replacement. To go a bit deeper here: RB - Could we use an upgrade? Sure.... but it's not like our RB are terrible (both averaged 4.4 and 4.3 ypc last year) CB #2 - Could we use a true CB 2? You bet - but we could also do a lot worse than Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson competing here DE - not really a hole so much as we need/want to find the future of the position (I think this is probably our 1st or 2nd pick) OLB - A true SAM would be nice if and only if we plan to use the player in typical 4-3 formations instead of being in 2LB sets 90% of the time OT/OG/C - Replacements for Morse, Williams, and Feliciano down the line or an upgrade over Ford DT - Replacement for Star. S - Someone to groom for Hyde and Poyer as they age out of the league. That's basically all of our needs. The question is, how good do we feel about moving up for a person to fill any of those roles and how much do we value their possible impact for this season. If I had to guess DE and the CB 2 are our top 2 concerns, followed by Big Man DT, and an eventual Center that we play as backup Guard for now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 5 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php Trading 30+61 for an 18 puts us at -1.32 about even trade That puts us a trade with Miami or Washington. I ran a mock draft with a few different calculators and these were just some of the players that were available. Edge Kwity Payne Edge Greggory Rousseau TE Kyle Pitts CB Caleb Farley T Christian Darrisaw T Tevin Jenkings CB Patrick Surtain II CB Jayce Horn LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah RB Najee Harris Other? Funny how much these sims vary This is something just for fun Thoughts No way does Miami trade down from 18 for picks this year. They are looking to rebuild fast and will want a couple impact players at 3 & 18. It’s just so difficult to get from the late to the middle of the first round in any year because of how the tiers of prospects usually fall. I get that this is a slow time and it is just for fun - so have at it - but realistically it would be very expensive to make a move like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, colin said: well, this draft is oddly important. we've traded up with mixed success (one huge win, one one, one maybe win, a couple losses), but it's clear beane and co like to deal on draft day. if they have their scouting down right, i'll trust them getting what they think is an immediately disruptive edge rusher, which is who i think we'd trade up for. the only other trade up value i can think of, is another tre white level corner who can paste on the other side, letting mccorch play wizard with the front 7 and create pass rush that way. while a pass rusher is the most glaring need, if we can get young tre like production out of a rookie contract, that really is a no brainer. with the rotation we have on DL, although i don't think we we have now fits the bill, we have a shot at manufacturing pass rusher. our cb2 will be on the pitch basically every snap. mega lock down corners on a mcbean D is a scary sight. I think this is not a good year to be looking for a 4-3 DE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Pretty sure McBeanes will stick to their 3 year old process of continually improvjng the roster, position group by position group and position by position. Great example is punter. Did they really need to dump Corey B? No. But they found a guy more consistent with inside the 20 kicks .. marginally better.. so they swapped out for him. This is what the process is. They resist single shiny overpriced objects in favor of multiple incremental improvements. Love it. Trust it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 With Taron Johnsons's contract up after this year, ans Neil as well, I think a CB is coming. But, I would wait until 30 myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 In this scenario, I take PSII. High football intelligence, solid tackler. Teachable. I think he is a future starter at CB or S. At the bottom of my list is Rousseau. One hit wonder, opted out, and every profile says he's an exceptional athlete but a very raw football player in the skills department. These types of players rarely pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think this is not a good year to be looking for a 4-3 DE. Definitely not an immediate, impactful one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Where do have us picking? I’d expect 64. After two consecutive undefeated championships seasons the league just redistributed the bills first rounder to the pathetic Patriots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 We have our starting team in place, with the need for a pass rush specialist. Bills need to get quality depth that can develop and become starters. That’s the only way to really beat the cap; consistently get players on their first contracts to be starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I’d expect 64. After two consecutive undefeated championships seasons the league just redistributed the bills first rounder to the pathetic Patriots. It’s only fair after they had a down year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 This kind of a hypothetical is hard to answer....this type of trade would only be made in real time at the time of the 18th pick. And the reason is there would be a particular person who is still on board you are willing to move up for. I know you did a mock but that is just guess for the 1op 17 picks. You will probably get 10-12 of them off the board. But by 18 there are always surprises. And we don't know who the Bills value.....they actually need more than one guy, I think trade down is more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 The only one is Kyle Pitts, I wouldn’t do it personally, I think this is a great year to trade down into the beginning of round 2 personally. Our needs better match value there than 30 unless the plan is RB. I honestly think they want a hybrid LB/Safety early and there are some intriguing options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php Trading 30+61 for an 18 puts us at -1.32 about even trade That puts us a trade with Miami or Washington. I ran a mock draft with a few different calculators and these were just some of the players that were available. Edge Kwity Payne Edge Greggory Rousseau TE Kyle Pitts CB Caleb Farley T Christian Darrisaw T Tevin Jenkings CB Patrick Surtain II CB Jayce Horn LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah RB Najee Harris Other? Funny how much these sims vary This is something just for fun Thoughts Not sure the vaue is there at 18 for a TE. I can see the Bills picking one,but later. They have Williams and Dawkins and would not take a T at 18,that is a huge waste of a pick. They can use depth at CB and youth at DE but dont have immediate need for a STARTER. And move up for RB? If anything,I would be tempted to trade back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Kyle Pitts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: No way in hell does Kyle Pitts last until 18. I’d say there’s 4-5 that won’t be. But, given this scenario, Pitts and it’s not even up for debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I'd only do it for Pitts. I think he is a day 1 impact player and makes our offense the best in the league on paper. We then use round 3,-7 to get a 1T (Shelvin in 3); RB (kid from Louisville perhpas in 4); and OT/Guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Virgil said: Are there any players in this draft, non-QBs, that are difference makers enough to trade up for? So far, this years crop seems uninspiring. I’d argue it’s the Pitts. 😑 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Trade with Detroit or Carolina to get into the top 10 for Micah Parsons, LB Penn St. A true game changer. Go Bills!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Not interested in trade ups...😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I’ll take the kid from Notre Dame in a trade up. He can cover Tight Ends and brings sorely lacking speed and violence to the defense. We aren’t re-creating TB’s pass rush. With this kid, we can add a difference maker in the back 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php Trading 30+61 for an 18 puts us at -1.32 about even trade That puts us a trade with Miami or Washington. I ran a mock draft with a few different calculators and these were just some of the players that were available. Edge Kwity Payne Edge Greggory Rousseau TE Kyle Pitts CB Caleb Farley T Christian Darrisaw T Tevin Jenkings CB Patrick Surtain II CB Jayce Horn LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah RB Najee Harris Other? Funny how much these sims vary This is something just for fun Thoughts Yes for Pitts. Will trade into the top 25 for Rousseau, Phillips or Paye and not trade up for any of the others ( even Farley) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 5 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: Kwity or Koramoah otherwise I pass on trading up. I agree with these 2 names 3 hours ago, BarleyNY said: No way does Miami trade down from 18 for picks this year. They are looking to rebuild fast and will want a couple impact players at 3 & 18. It’s just so difficult to get from the late to the middle of the first round in any year because of how the tiers of prospects usually fall. I get that this is a slow time and it is just for fun - so have at it - but realistically it would be very expensive to make a move like this. any team around Miami. Miami poor choice or not was just the base. get by who we trading with in the spirit of the op who would you choose? 2 hours ago, Georgie said: Not sure the vaue is there at 18 for a TE. I can see the Bills picking one,but later. They have Williams and Dawkins and would not take a T at 18,that is a huge waste of a pick. They can use depth at CB and youth at DE but dont have immediate need for a STARTER. And move up for RB? If anything,I would be tempted to trade back. RB or top 2 DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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