Would Josh Allen ever consider a team friendly contract?

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

With a top 5 QB we have options that were previously not available to us. We need to take this to deflating footballs, paying Allen under the table and a better version of getting game tape with drones. We have our franchise QB, now we can push the rules in our favor, that 1st rd pick that we will lose can easily be absorbed if caught. If the Patriots don’t have a ****** then neither will we.

Edited January 19, 2021 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[mjt328]

17 hours ago, sirebors said:

Brady did. The GOAT was far below his market value. 

 

Actually he didn't.

Tom Brady agreed to a lower contract, while the Patriots were investing in his health company TB12.

 

People think Brady was being unselfish and taking less money, so his team could afford better players under the salary cap.  In reality, this was just another questionable tactic by the New England Patriots organization to get around the league rules.

 

 

[Mat68]

I would not ask Allen to take less. Buffalo is smart and will offer market value.  Sometimes the differance of a few million annually is the differance from a long good relationship or Dallas situation with Dak.  

Edited January 19, 2021 by Mat68

[appoo]

Topics like this is why I wish the NFL had Bird Rights 

[BillsFanForever19]

I'm hoping if he is re-upped before his 4th or 5th season that it's written up like Tre White's deal wherein the 4th and 5th years remain on the cap the same with a big signing bonus to hold him over until the big money comes in year 6 and onward. Otherwise, i'm not in a rush to throw out the advantage of having a QB on his Rookie deal a year or two before we have to. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I'm hoping if he is re-upped before his 4th or 5th season that it's written up like Tre White's deal wherein the 4th and 5th years remain on the cap the same with a big signing bonus to hold him over until the big money comes in year 6 and onward. Otherwise, i'm not in a rush to throw out the advantage of having a QB on his Rookie deal a year or two before we have to. 

 

Don't worry.  It will.  The Bills will pick up his 5th year option in March and his new contract will be singed by May.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Don't worry.  It will.  The Bills will pick up his 5th year option in March and his new contract will be singed by May.

 

QBs are the most important position - so as long as you are good, they will find a way to fit your contract in anyway.  

[Estro]

3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You are most likely correct with the overall numbers.  How the 5 year split of the signing bonus v roster bonus (Mahomes deal)

is debatable but your overall idea is probably very close IMO.

One thing I don't understand is Josh is due $6.9M in 2021 (4th year of rookie deal) and it seems you have $3.5M.

 

6 year extension I think is the minimum in length and I could see a 7 year contract but that also is debatable.

His cap hit is $6.9M, his actual cash take for '21 is $3.5M

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Don't worry.  It will.  The Bills will pick up his 5th year option in March and his new contract will be singed by May.

Correct. Both Mahomes and Watson had their 4th and 5th yrs of their deals rolled into their newly signed extensions.

Expect the same thing for Allen.

[Watkins90]

I don't agree with giving him a contract extension this offseason unless he wins the Super Bowl. I wouldn't entertain it until he was under his fifth-year option. I want to see more from him. What I mean by more is see him have similar numbers next year. Play as well next year. We need to make sure this isn't a flash in the pan. Those are the players that set your organization back a decade. 

[T master]

Josh seems to be a down to earth very morale structured person just a good guy but money changes people I'm not sure if he himself would go for the big bucks but that's why thesis guys have agents to talk for them . He said he liked a smaller town type place and was excited and hopeful to go to a Buffalo team will that be enough to satisfy the need for extra money ? 

 

Sitting where we all do shoot $5 million and i'd be set for life but he does have parents that stood by him so he would probably take care of them just based on the type of person he is all the time . Then we have to think how much their retired life will be effected by the pounding they take medical bills can add up fast ! 

 

So i would think he will go for as much as he can get in the first contract but maybe later like Brady he would be a little more forgiving on the second contract but for the first one back up the truck boys he's going for gold !! 

 

I have always asked when these guys negotiate huge contracts just how much is enough ? But i would think he will go where he believes he can be comfortable for the rest of his life after the NFL and i don't blame him but again how much is too much ? 

 

Hopefully he is a only child he'll need enough to take care of mom, dad & him then maybe have the second contract a performance based contract ...

[Mr. WEO]

Why would any top player on his second contract take a "home town discount"???

 

This makes no sense at all.

[sven233]

Biggest difference in what Brady did is that the Pats* were funneling money to his businesses for years outside of football.  So, he would take less to help with the cap, but make no mistake about it, he was getting his.  Just another way the Pats* have been cheating for years.

Edited January 19, 2021 by sven233

[sirebors]

This can't be possible. Beane would never say this. Josh is not wired like that. And he would never accept a team friendly deal to increase his team's chance for success. At least that's what I was told on here. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-allen-contract-extension-bills-gm-brandon-beane-says-he-wants-to-get-a-deal-done-sooner-than-later/

 

"We want him to be happy, and obviously, we want it to be a deal where we can still put talented players around him because Josh is a competitor. He's not wired for us just to pay him, then not be able to put stuff around him. So we'll try and find that deal that works for him and works for us."

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On 1/19/2021 at 3:14 PM, Estro said:

His cap hit is $6.9M, his actual cash take for '21 is $3.5M

Correct. Both Mahomes and Watson had their 4th and 5th yrs of their deals rolled into their newly signed extensions.

Expect the same thing for Allen.

They don't have a choice. That is how it has to be done 

On 1/19/2021 at 3:35 PM, Mr. WEO said:

Why would any top player on his second contract take a "home town discount"???

 

This makes no sense at all.

Exaclty. And why would his agent allow it? He has other clients too.

He will be paid just under what Mahommes got paid. 

[JerseyBills]

I could 100% see Josh take a major discount to benefit the team. 

I really believe these guys love each other and their ultimate objective is to win a Lombardi. 

 

I'd be surprised if he didn't give us a discount....

[Dr.Sack]

The more team-friendly below market deal Allen takes the more he will stay upright, and the more he will win.

[machine gun kelly]

The best team friendly deal he could take is what Mahomes did last year.  The capologists who know contracts have said agents normally would never go with Mahomes for 10 years.  Currently he makes less than Russel Wilson.  People get starry eyed on $450 mil, but it was structured so he makes less for years and balloons later.  He wins, and so does KC.  He didn’t take a discount, just a discount now.  It’s speculated in 5 years he’ll be the 14th avg. paid QB in the league given the increases in QB pay.

 

That would be my hope that Allen would do the same.  The reason Kelce received his new deal was Mahomes contract constructed in this manner.  Most QB’s like Dak pushed for a four year deal, not five because he knows in four years he will make that much more.  Allen taking a long term deal helps the whole team down the road.

 

Allen taking a team discount is not going to happen in terms of less $.  What someone else wrote about Brady is what I heard as well.  I don’t know if it’s true, but wouldn’t surprise me if Kraft circumvented the cap.

[Weatherman]

On 1/18/2021 at 3:54 PM, sirebors said:

Is this possible?

 

Could or would Josh Allen take a below market value contract like Tom Brady did for the benefit of his team?

 

I know it seems silly at face value but Josh is cut from a different cloth. He is a consumate team player and genuinely a good person and cares about his team and teammates. To build a dynasty and further gain the respect of his teammates would he ever consider this? 

 

I'm sure his agent wouldn't be happy but I don't think money is Josh Allen's primary driving focus. To be able to keep Milano, Williams, and even pay his friend Diggs?

 

I mean seriously, when is enough enough? Does it have to be 500 million? Isn't 350 million or 400 million enough to live comfortably for the rest of his life? Would the rest of the league, particularly the quarterbacks be critical of him for doing this? I'm just curious what everyone's take is? And if so, what would he be willing to accept? 

The way I see it, as long as HA is on the Bills roster it was a team friendly deal.  This is the best QB we have had in nearly 30 years and could go down as the best ever.  Pay that man his money!

[4thandGoal]

If I am Josh-- no way I am going for anything less then 35 million. Tom Brady taking less money is noble but his wife makes money then him-- they dont need 40 million

[BarleyNY]

On 1/19/2021 at 3:35 PM, Mr. WEO said:

Why would any top player on his second contract take a "home town discount"???

 

This makes no sense at all.

Absolutely.  A below market deal is something that a QB in the latter stages of his career MIGHT take AFTER he’s already made a ton of money and is chasing a ring on a salary cap strapped team.  That’s about it.

 

I love the “he’s such a great guy he’ll give up $10M a year” crowd!  You all crack me up!

[Malazan]

9 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

I could 100% see Josh take a major discount to benefit the team. 

I really believe these guys love each other and their ultimate objective is to win a Lombardi. 

 

I'd be surprised if he didn't give us a discount....

 

You've got a surprise coming! 

 

You folk living in a fairy land that Josh is gonna sign for 30-35 a year (or less) are in for a rude awakening. Even if Josh was open to it, there will be many people telling him to not be an idiot. On top of his friends, family and agent there is the NFLPA who put s a lot of pressure on players to not take 'discounts' and go to the max dollar value possible. If Allen takes a discount and let's just say it's 35 then that means the other QBs around the league now are probably looking at falling in behind him. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

You've got a surprise coming! 

 

You folk living in a fairy land that Josh is gonna sign for 30-35 a year (or less) are in for a rude awakening. Even if Josh was open to it, there will be many people telling him to not be an idiot. On top of his friends, family and agent there is the NFLPA who put s a lot of pressure on players to not take 'discounts' and go to the max dollar value possible. If Allen takes a discount and let's just say it's 35 then that means the other QBs around the league now are probably looking at falling in behind him. 

 

Do you think he will play for candy?

[Malazan]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

Do you think he will play for candy?

 

Only the good stuff. One package of smarties in there and it's over. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Only the good stuff. One package of smarties in there and it's over. 

 

Especially if it comes from Colorado.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

They don't have a choice. That is how it has to be done 

Exaclty. And why would his agent allow it? He has other clients too.

He will be paid just under what Mahommes got paid. 

 

Josh can tell his agent to take it or leave it. The agent works for Josh not the other way around.

 

It's rare for a QB to not get pretty much every $ they are worth and bit more. But Josh is a rare QB after all. 

 

My prediction is that his deal will average around $35-36 million per year. 

[papazoid]

at this point 6yr/ $250 mil is team friendly

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Josh can tell his agent to take it or leave it. The agent works for Josh not the other way around.

 

It's rare for a QB to not get pretty much every $ they are worth and bit more. But Josh is a rare QB after all. 

 

My prediction is that his deal will average around $35-36 million per year. 

You and no one else on here knows anything about Josh on a personal level. He seems like a great guy. But money is money. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

22 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

You've got a surprise coming! 

 

You folk living in a fairy land that Josh is gonna sign for 30-35 a year (or less) are in for a rude awakening. Even if Josh was open to it, there will be many people telling him to not be an idiot. On top of his friends, family and agent there is the NFLPA who put s a lot of pressure on players to not take 'discounts' and go to the max dollar value possible. If Allen takes a discount and let's just say it's 35 then that means the other QBs around the league now are probably looking at falling in behind him. 

 

Why would the NFLPA put pressure on a QB to sign to the max they can get? Don't they also represent the LB's, OL, CB, WR etc that would benefit from larger salaries from QB's taking more team friendly deals? Teams have to spend up to a certain percentage of the cap every year. The money will be spent at other positions ultimately benefiting other players.

[sirebors]

19 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

You've got a surprise coming! 

 

You folk living in a fairy land that Josh is gonna sign for 30-35 a year (or less) are in for a rude awakening. Even if Josh was open to it, there will be many people telling him to not be an idiot. On top of his friends, family and agent there is the NFLPA who put s a lot of pressure on players to not take 'discounts' and go to the max dollar value possible. If Allen takes a discount and let's just say it's 35 then that means the other QBs around the league now are probably looking at falling in behind him. 

So did all these same people tell Brady he was an idiot? Brady, the GOAT, who was playing for probably half of what he could have, did he dictate the future salaries of the rest of the quarterbacks?  Did the NFLPA put pressure on Brady and force him not to accept his contract? I don't believe so, those other salaries kept rising, making us aware that Brady was actually playing for less than his worth. Did his agents not want the money? Did he have bad agents? I have no idea what Josh might accept, the question is merely would he take a team discount. Our GM who has a pretty good track record and knows Josh Allen much better than probably you do is saying that exact thing. So who's right? I never once said Josh would accept 30 million, I said, how much money is enough for someone? When does winning take precedent for some players over an extra couple million? Would Michael Jordan rather win or have a bigger contract? Jordan's primary driving force in life is winning. Josh has that same driving force, on top of being a farmer that honestly cares about other people and his teammates. Beane even knows this. I would even go as far as to say that Beane probably would have never made that statement publicly unless Josh Allen had hinted it to Beane or even outright told him. 

[Shaw66]

40 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

You've got a surprise coming! 

 

You folk living in a fairy land that Josh is gonna sign for 30-35 a year (or less) are in for a rude awakening. Even if Josh was open to it, there will be many people telling him to not be an idiot. On top of his friends, family and agent there is the NFLPA who put s a lot of pressure on players to not take 'discounts' and go to the max dollar value possible. If Allen takes a discount and let's just say it's 35 then that means the other QBs around the league now are probably looking at falling in behind him. 

Well, I'm not going to predict what Allen will do.   But he IS playing for a team that promotes a team mentality, and he has bought into that mentality completely.  So that's something. 

 

Plus, not everyone is into the get-every-dollar-you-can point of view.   If you're a 26-year-old linebacker who's made $8 million during your time in the league, the next contract has a lot to say about what the rest of your life will look like.   But if you're about to sign a contract that GUARANTEES $100 million, which after tax and current living expenses leaves you with $50 million in the bank, you're in a much different position.  You're looking at a life where your annual income, for the rest of your life, is $1.5 to $2 million.   Every year, $1.5 million.  For ever.  

 

In that position, some players will say "I don't need every last dollar.  I care about winning, and if sharing some of the extra dollars I could get means my team will be in a better position, I can do that."   

 

Everything we know about Allen is that he is the kind of guy who might take that approach.   For one thing, I get the sense, but I don't know, that his family is financially successful.   This isn't a situation where Josh is going to run out and buy a house for Mom.  Second, he's really well grounded, a simple-pleasures kind of guy.  Third, all the reports are that he is a 100% team guy.  

 

So, I expect that Allen will at least agree to anything Beane suggests in terms of contract structure.   That is, if the dollars are the same, Allen will take the team-friendly contract structure.  

 

Beyond that, we may never know how hard Allen bargained for what he got.  That is, if Allen could get $40 million a year guaranteed for six years and he takes $39 million a year, we simply won't know.   If that happens, that's team-friendly $1 million a year.   If he takes $38 million a year, same thing.   

 

The only way we'll know if Allen was team-friendly will be if he takes a number that we all can see is lower than his market value.  If he gets a new deal that leaves him out of the top five QBs in terms of pay, we'll know.  But if he takes a deal that makes him the fourth highest paid QB, it means he probably still left money on the table, money that his agent knew he could get but Allen said not.   

 

Think about it this way.   If Allen takes money that makes him the #4 highest paid, don't you think Allen could have said "no, I'll try free agency" and done better?   I mean, why take #4 money when he can be a free agent or force the Bills to franchise him, which will get him the average of the top 5?   Cousins did it and it worked great for him.  Why wouldn't Allen?

 

All I'm saying is wait and see.  If Allen gets a deal that approaches Mahomes range, we'll know Allen pushed for the dollars.  If he's getting only top 5 money, it means he gave the Bills a discount. 

[Figster]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

You and no one else on here knows anything about Josh on a personal level. He seems like a great guy. But money is money. 

Championship is championship.

 

I'm not sure you can even put a price tag on what it would mean for Josh Allen to win a championship. Not just for himself, for his fellow teamates, the city of Buffalo and the Bills fan base. So while I don't know Allen on a personal level. The team comes 1st mentality seems fairly obvious IMO.

[JaCrispy]

10yr/$350 million...fully guaranteed! 👍

Edited March 26, 2021 by JaCrispy

[Malazan]

3 hours ago, sirebors said:

So did all these same people tell Brady he was an idiot? Brady, the GOAT, who was playing for probably half of what he could have, did he dictate the future salaries of the rest of the quarterbacks?  Did the NFLPA put pressure on Brady and force him not to accept his contract? I don't believe so, those other salaries kept rising, making us aware that Brady was actually playing for less than his worth. Did his agents not want the money? Did he have bad agents? I have no idea what Josh might accept, the question is merely would he take a team discount. Our GM who has a pretty good track record and knows Josh Allen much better than probably you do is saying that exact thing. So who's right? I never once said Josh would accept 30 million, I said, how much money is enough for someone? When does winning take precedent for some players over an extra couple million? Would Michael Jordan rather win or have a bigger contract? Jordan's primary driving force in life is winning. Josh has that same driving force, on top of being a farmer that honestly cares about other people and his teammates. Beane even knows this. I would even go as far as to say that Beane probably would have never made that statement publicly unless Josh Allen had hinted it to Beane or even outright told him. 

 

1. Brady at age 43 doesn't dictate the salaries of young franchise QBs

2. Michael Jordan was the first NBA player to sign a contract worth over $20 million and in fact it exceeded $30 million as well in a season (1996-97); this was a record for 15 years. 

3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Why would the NFLPA put pressure on a QB to sign to the max they can get? Don't they also represent the LB's, OL, CB, WR etc that would benefit from larger salaries from QB's taking more team friendly deals? Teams have to spend up to a certain percentage of the cap every year. The money will be spent at other positions ultimately benefiting other players.

 

The NFLPA has long held this position and prioritized max dollar deals without regard for it's affect on other players. 

[Buddo]

I don't think Allen will be haggling over every last cent.

 

In that respect I think the negotiations will ultimately be done civily.

 

I do think he will be getting handsomely paid in line with the top QBs.

 

I also think that he will allow a structure to the deal that helps the Bills, not only now, but in the future.

 

For those considerations, I think he will be getting some serious amounts of guaranteed money.

 

Rather than wondering how much per year he will be getting, tbh, I'm much more interested in how long the deal will be for.

 

And I think the length of contract might define a lot of the numbers.

 

You can easily make an argument for a long deal (say 10 years) at $40+ million per, because by the end of it, he will be relatively cheap.

 

[In Summary]

I expect Allen to seek his market value.  Is he a resident of NY or CA?  If so, seems he would also factor in state income taxes when negotiating.

[longtimebillsfan]

7 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Josh can tell his agent to take it or leave it. The agent works for Josh not the other way around.

 

It's rare for a QB to not get pretty much every $ they are worth and bit more. But Josh is a rare QB after all. 

 

My prediction is that his deal will average around $35-36 million per year. 

I could see Josh following Tom Brady's example and go for the total dollars he deserves, but make the terms team friendly.

[without a drought]

A list of players making more than Josh in 2021

 

Tre'Davious White

Dion Dawkins

Stefon Diggs

Mitch Morse

Jerry Hughes

Matt Milano

Mario Addison

Jordan Poyer

Micah Hyde

Daryl Williams

Vernon Butler

Cole Beasley

Star Lotulelei

A.J. Klein

Emmanuel Sanders

 

with Feliciano and Oliver right behind him.

 

I think the Bills already had their bargain time.

[ColoradoBills]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Especially if it comes from Colorado.

yep.

 

As to Josh.  Spotrac has his market value at 4 years $42M average.  That is very much dead on.

If Josh signs a 6 year at the same average it will be a discount.   He may sign even a 7 year.

That's what I have predicted since the Mahomes signing.

[dma0034]

Pay Allen 10m a year for 10 years.... He can sign an endorsement deal for 40m a year for 10 years.... The new face of frack

[Mr. K]

Something tells me that our beloved farm boy QB is going to get a hefty payday but nothing that Beanes' magic can make for the process.