Did D. Williams Make a LOT of $ Tonight?

[SWATeam]

He was the key to the game.  

 

HIs handling of Watt allowed us to double Heyward who was killing us.  

 

I hope we find a way to keep him.  Now that we have Allen- invest in that line.

[Doc]

57 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I think Williams is a guy that you could let go and then sign another player that needs to sign a 'prove it deal'

 

All assuming he prices himself out of what the bills cap will allow. You can sell a free agent that you come here for a little cheaper, make you look like an all pro and then you can make bank the following year

 

Its gonna be a weird off season where players are gonna want to play here

 

It's not even close to being that easy as to just say go out and sign another player.  Williams was 2nd team all-pro in 2017 as a RT and then got hurt and played every position but RT when he came back.  The Bills likely saw that and figured he could get back to his old form.

 

33 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

He was on his way to 10 million plus before tonight.  Not sure the Bills will have the cashola to make it happen.

 

They will.

[Solomon Grundy]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Shut down Watt, mostly on his own. Showcase-type performance late in a contract year. 

 

That young man is going to get PAID, no?

Simply put, GET ER DUN BEANE!!

[TuelTime]

7 hours ago, Doc said:

No, that was a true false start. 

 

The play before he committed a false start as well but it was not flagged. He had me worried at the beginning of the game for sure.

[klos63]

8 hours ago, TonyBeets said:

He's been earning more every game he plays.  He's a guy we need to lock up before the league gets wind of his ability and his price goes up!

You really can't hide someone like that. I'm sure the league is well aware. That's what scouts are for.

[TonyBeets]

Just now, klos63 said:

You really can't hide someone like that. I'm sure the league is well aware. That's what scouts are for.

 

As I typed it I began making that realization.  Last night pretty much let the world know what a good RT he is.  It's a shame we don't have him for a few years under contract.

[klos63]

1 hour ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I think Williams is a guy that you could let go and then sign another player that needs to sign a 'prove it deal'

 

All assuming he prices himself out of what the bills cap will allow. You can sell a free agent that you come here for a little cheaper, make you look like an all pro and then you can make bank the following year

 

Its gonna be a weird off season where players are gonna want to play here

 

 

Players may want to come here, but they will want to get paid too.  What makes you think there are enough quality players that would only require a 'prove it deal'?

[Not at the table Karlos]

7 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

Didn't it seem he was going JUST a fraction before the ball 2as snapped nearly every play? He either has an AMAZING reaction time or is very lucky not to get flagged every play.

Watch tackles around the league. Most if not all leave slightly early with no flag

Edited December 14, 2020 by Not at the table Karlos

[HOUSE]

Its impossible for an NFL player to make money during a football game.

 

So no, Williams had no money leaving the field

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, TonyBeets said:

 

As I typed it I began making that realization.  Last night pretty much let the world know what a good RT he is.  It's a shame we don't have him for a few years under contract.

True. I wonder if either side wanted to sign a multiyear deal? I am wondering if Williams signed with the understanding he would get to play RT exclusively for a season to show how good he can be if left there? 
Either way, Williams is going to make $12-15 mil a season. Between him or Milano it isn’t close for me, sign Williams and you have your two tackles for the foreseeable future.

Edited December 14, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[BuffaloRebound]

This is a no brainer re-signing.  OT’s not easy to find.  He’s priority number 1.  

[TonyBeets]

13 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

True. I wonder if either side wanted to sign a multiyear deal? I am wondering if Williams signed with the understanding he would get to play RT exclusively for a season to show how good he can be if left there? 
Either way, Williams is going to make $12-15 mil a season I got to believe. Between him or Milano it isn’t close for me, sign Williams and you have your two tackles for the foreseeable future.

 

If given the choice between the 2 which is a good possibility, it is a no brainer.  Whatever it takes to help our QB continue to grow.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

25 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Players may want to come here, but they will want to get paid too.  What makes you think there are enough quality players that would only require a 'prove it deal'?

The cap is going to be stagnant or even drop, guys will not be getting contracts they feel they should in a normal year. Many of them will take short term deals to get back into the free agent pool again quickly

 

For example take a look at the nhl and how their free agency went

 

The strange thing is Darryl williams may be that guy for us

[DCofNC]

He did well against Watt, but was also getting a lot of help and it also appeared Watt got injured, so while it was nice having him be limited in impact, I don’t think Williams gets all the credit here.  Good job scheming for Watt, making sure he got chipped extra, but he still got a lot of pressure on Allen, especially first half.

[clayboy54]

28 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Its impossible for an NFL player to make money during a football game.

 

So no, Williams had no money leaving the field

But the refs on the other hand...

[SCBills]

In order of priority re-signing in the offseason:

 

1) Williams

 

2) Feliciano

 

3) Milano

 

It may come down to re-signing the OL pieces and then making a decision on Milano or Brown.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by SCBills

[appoo]

4 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Beane will put the best O-Line he can in front of his franchise QB.   He knows that as Allen goes, the Bills go.  The O-Line is not the place to start pinching pennies.  I'd rather they release John Brown (I'm sorry Smoke, I think you're great) and use that money to resign Williams. 

 

It was interesting to not that the Bills did hit on a single one of Allen’s deep balls last night. Allen is having to play at an elite level because teams don’t have to respect the Bills deep game right now. 
 

This offense badly misses Smoke, and with him the Bills probably put that game away in the first half.

 

This isn’t to say you keep him at the expense of a good looking RT, but rather just be careful, if you’re the bills, about cashing in on the cap savings from cutting Brown 

[Inigo Montoya]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

It was interesting to not that the Bills did hit on a single one of Allen’s deep balls last night. Allen is having to play at an elite level because teams don’t have to respect the Bills deep game right now. 
 

This offense badly misses Smoke, and with him the Bills probably put that game away in the first half.

 

This isn’t to say you keep him at the expense of a good looking RT, but rather just be careful, if you’re the bills, about cashing in on the cap savings from cutting Brown 

 

Fair points all appoo.

 

I want both of them on the roster next year.  Let's hope we get more Magic Beane this offseason with his cap and roster moves.

 

[appoo]

4 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I think you will see a lot of one year deals because of this.  Its not a Bills problem, it's a league wide problem.

1 year deals makes the problems worse because of higher cap hits. Personally, I think you see longer deals with high signing bonuses.

for example you can resign both Milano and Williams. 
 

say about 40M total for Milano, and another 40M for Williams.

 

For Milano, you give him a 6 year contract, and a $25M signing bonus, that’s. 4.16M cap hit for the bonus, and if you pay yearly salary evenly it’s 2.5M a year. If 50% of yearly salary is gtd money, then you start with a dead cap number of 32M, going down about 5M a year. That’s a decent amount of risk to the organization, but a $6M cap hit is a bit of a steal 

 

for Williams, he’s 28, so I imagine that’s closer to a 4 year contract and that’s going to be a lot more expensive in terms of cap hit, no matter how much you concert to a signing bonus. But possible I guess.

Teams are going to have to risk long term deals. Short term deals are just too cap heavy 

[WideNine]

11 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Shut down Watt, mostly on his own. Showcase-type performance late in a contract year. 

 

That young man is going to get PAID, no?

 

It is games like that where players do make bank.

 

Watt had to resort to acting to draw a foul too...that is a dominating performance.

 

He earned a lot of respect last night.

 

 

[appoo]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

In order of priority re-signing in the offseason:

 

1) Williams

 

2) Feliciano

 

3) Milano

 

It may come down to re-signing the OL pieces and then making a decision on Milano or Brown.

 

 

Allen is getting to the point where he’s good enough to paper over holes on the offensive side. 
 

I wouldn’t invest in plus players at 4/5 players on the OLine.  Allen is good enough where they might not need anything but an average running game to win football games. Feliciano, to me, is a luxury player. He’s an average pass pro but plus Run

blocker. I wouldn’t resign him, but rather let Ford and Ryan Bates - both of whom played tackle at college so came into the league as pass protection lineman - have a shot at unseating Winters and Boetger at those guard spots and maybe signing a vet minimum, while also investing a mid round pick .

So I’m the Bills, put money at LT/RT/C, but underpay at guard and RB.

 

Defensively, that’s tough. You can get away with average DEs if you have elite athletes at linebacker, or with Klein, a quality blitzer. Hughes is going to be a huge question mark. There’s almost no way Addison comes back with his 10M cap hit, that’s gonna be Epenesa. Because of that I think Milano is integral to the success of the defense - if you’re going or underinvest at DE, then your backers need to make up for it with pressure and coverage 

[Victory Formation]

Williams and Feliciano need to be re-signed and I’m sure it’ll happen.. Quite a few underperformers that are being paid handsomely not to.. We can clear up $30M - $40M easily..

 

Question I have, will Morse be here next year? He’s getting paid quite a bit and he’s injury prone.. but there is no doubt that he’s a solid center.. Where does Ford fit into all of this? We obviously need more production, especially in the run department..

 

Do you cut Morse and move Feliciano to center? He seems to get more push in the run game.. I think that’s the logical thing to do.. Take that money from Morse and give it to Williams/Feliciano.. Draft a road grading guard to plug into RG.. Pray that Ford picks it up a notch or two at LG.. Should see some pretty decent improvements in the run game..

[4BillsintheBurgh]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

Allen is getting to the point where he’s good enough to paper over holes on the offensive side. 
 

I wouldn’t invest in plus players at 4/5 players on the OLine.  Allen is good enough where they might not need anything but an average running game to win football games. Feliciano, to me, is a luxury player. He’s an average pass pro but plus Run

blocker. I wouldn’t resign him, but rather let Ford and Ryan Bates - both of whom played tackle at college so came into the league as pass protection lineman - have a shot at unseating Winters and Boetger at those guard spots and maybe signing a vet minimum, while also investing a mid round pick .

So I’m the Bills, put money at LT/RT/C, but underpay at guard and RB.

 

Defensively, that’s tough. You can get away with average DEs if you have elite athletes at linebacker, or with Klein, a quality blitzer. Hughes is going to be a huge question mark. There’s almost no way Addison comes back with his 10M cap hit, that’s gonna be Epenesa. Because of that I think Milano is integral to the success of the defense - if you’re going or underinvest at DE, then your backers need to make up for it with pressure and coverage 

For me, how they see Ford is key here. If they think he can play RT, then let DW walk after making a decent offer. If not, you might need to pony up for Williams and let Milano and Mongo go. I think that's the order of importance anyway (Williams, Milano, Feliciano)  but I do expect Beane to offer each of them contracts that work with what he has figured for our cap. I think if we can keep one guy a right side of Ford and Williams is stronger than Mongo and Ford. Bates or a player to be added later can fill in with backup C duties.

[JoshAllenReceipts]

Phenomenal Pass Blocker. 

 

6'5", 335 pounds, 35" Arms. Mass, girth, length. The Power Rush never works on him. Can't go through him, have to try and get around him, which takes too much time and opens up throwing lanes. Gettleman has a great eye for OL talent, stealing him in the 4th round.

 

This dude must be resigned. Allen excels at moving to his right and this guy consistently provides Allen with lots of space on that right side with his ability to set the Width of the Pocket.

 

Daryl Williams is the Bills Right Tackle of the future. Pure stud.

 

Pay that man!!

Edited December 14, 2020 by JoshAllenReceipts

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

Allen is getting to the point where he’s good enough to paper over holes on the offensive side. 
 

I wouldn’t invest in plus players at 4/5 players on the OLine.  Allen is good enough where they might not need anything but an average running game to win football games. Feliciano, to me, is a luxury player. He’s an average pass pro but plus Run

blocker. I wouldn’t resign him, but rather let Ford and Ryan Bates - both of whom played tackle at college so came into the league as pass protection lineman - have a shot at unseating Winters and Boetger at those guard spots and maybe signing a vet minimum, while also investing a mid round pick .

So I’m the Bills, put money at LT/RT/C, but underpay at guard and RB.

 

Defensively, that’s tough. You can get away with average DEs if you have elite athletes at linebacker, or with Klein, a quality blitzer. Hughes is going to be a huge question mark. There’s almost no way Addison comes back with his 10M cap hit, that’s gonna be Epenesa. Because of that I think Milano is integral to the success of the defense - if you’re going or underinvest at DE, then your backers need to make up for it with pressure and coverage 

 

Don't disagree with much here.  I do think Allen is absolutely lethal with any semblance of time, so OL is top priority to me, along with WR... I believe we have our priorities in the right place with focusing on OL/WR and making due with average RB's/TE's.  

 

On defense, we have plenty of defensive line cuts we can make if we want to free up money for Milano.  You mentioned Addison, then there's also Butler & Jefferson.

[appoo]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Don't disagree with much here.  I do think Allen is absolutely lethal with any semblance of time, so OL is top priority to me, along with WR... I believe we have our priorities in the right place with focusing on OL/WR and making due with average RB's/TE's.  

 

On defense, we have plenty of defensive line cuts we can make if we want to free up money for Milano.  You mentioned Addison, then there's also Butler & Jefferson.

 

Think you're right about the DLine

 

in 21, cutting Addison nets you 6M, cutting Butler (who's actually been playing a lot better) nets you 6.8M. Cutting Jefferson saves you 5M but 'd strongly consider keeping him, due to his versatility. He's a good pass rusher, and can also play a big DE for run D.

 

Jerry Hughes, I think is a candidate for restructure + extend. He looks like he still has a few years in the tank, even at 32. The Bills have an out year after 220, and can save 7.5M by cutting him....but I'd rather them restructure and extend him to 2024. Give him a nice 5M signing bonus and a 2M salary on top of that and it keeps his cap hit under 4M, and you get to keep a pretty productive DE.  At 32, I'm not sure he'd get a better deal than that in the open market.

 

[bobobonators]

45 minutes ago, appoo said:

It was interesting to not that the Bills did hit on a single one of Allen’s deep balls last night. Allen is having to play at an elite level because teams don’t have to respect the Bills deep game right now. 
 

This offense badly misses Smoke, and with him the Bills probably put that game away in the first half.

 

This isn’t to say you keep him at the expense of a good looking RT, but rather just be careful, if you’re the bills, about cashing in on the cap savings from cutting Brown 

The opportunity was there without smoke. Allen missed Davis which wouldve been a TD. 
 

[davefan66]

Had a great game last night. Won a lot of one on one matchups.  
 

Great arm length.  Good balance.  Doesn’t get overpowered much, strong dude.

 

Not sure how he does so well on pass blocking, but seems to get in the right place.  His feet look slow and aren’t smooth/fluid, kinda choppy. Can’t complain, has done a nice job.

[starrymessenger]

He's for sure going to get paid, hopefully he stays. Whether he stays or goes it's great to see a player come back from injury and play at a high level. He's surprisingly quick for a big man. The motion call yesterday was the correct call. He was just a micro second too fast but he's been beating the snap all year. Another former Panther who I think has been coming on is Butler. People here don't seem to like him and I don't know if the dollars will work out but I see him as another guy who was pretty much kicked to the curb but Beane and Coach knew better.

[JohnNord]

12 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Shut down Watt, mostly on his own. Showcase-type performance late in a contract year. 

 

That young man is going to get PAID, no?

He’s had a very good year and offensive line play seems to be in decline, so he’d still probably get paid with an average performance vs Watts.  But yeah his work last night will earn him a few more millions 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 hours ago, Virgil said:

Yeah, we need to bring him back.  It sucks the cap is possibly going down. 
 

I want Milano and Williams back and then write the blank check to Allen the following year 

 

Are you forgetting Feleciano? 

 

The Bills have a pretty long list of upcoming FA this offseason, many who are key contributors in one manner or another,

 

Both Wallace and Norman

There are only three offensive lineman signed for next year;  Bates, Dawson, and Morse who potentially could be cut

Kroft; say what you want about him or Knox, but the team will need a #2 pass catching TE from someplace.  Possibly they sign a #1 TE but one way or another slot to sign

[JoshAllenReceipts]

1 hour ago, davefan66 said:

Had a great game last night. Won a lot of one on one matchups.  
 

Great arm length.  Good balance.  Doesn’t get overpowered much, strong dude.

 

Not sure how he does so well on pass blocking, but seems to get in the right place.  His feet look slow and aren’t smooth/fluid, kinda choppy. Can’t complain, has done a nice job.

 

Slow feet doesn't really matter when you're Short-Setting with 35" arms at 6'5" 335 pounds. He blocks out the sun with his length and massive frame. Plus, EDGE defenders are taught to contain Allen in the pocket versus rushing up the field. He doesn't face speed rushes too often because that EDGE has to contain and stay in front of Allen.

[NickelCity]

3 hours ago, appoo said:

Allen is getting to the point where he’s good enough to paper over holes on the offensive side. 
 

I wouldn’t invest in plus players at 4/5 players on the OLine.  

 

The only QBs that have sustained success in such scenarios get the ball out immediately to short routes. It would be hampering so much of our offensive to go that route. Skimp on OL at your own peril.

[Rc2catch]

Williams is gonna get 14-18 million on the open market probably, even with the cap going down. Guy did exactly what he needed to do here. Stayed healthy, won the RT job and is playing at an all pro level like he did years ago in Carolina. I would love to have him back but I have to imagine his agent is going to want top 5 RT money and I’m not sure Beane will invest that heavily. Feliciano has a much better shot of getting a decent contract imo 

[BearNorth]

3 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Had a great game last night. Won a lot of one on one matchups.  
 

Great arm length.  Good balance.  Doesn’t get overpowered much, strong dude.

 

Not sure how he does so well on pass blocking, but seems to get in the right place.  His feet look slow and aren’t smooth/fluid, kinda choppy. Can’t complain, has done a nice job.

He was taking Watt wide and deep most of the night, not many players in this league have done that over the past four years.  Watt barely got close to Josh.

[Aussie Joe]

4 hours ago, appoo said:

 

Jerry Hughes, I think is a candidate for restructure + extend. He looks like he still has a few years in the tank, even at 32. The Bills have an out year after 220, and can save 7.5M by cutting him....but I'd rather them restructure and extend him to 2024. Give him a nice 5M signing bonus and a 2M salary on top of that and it keeps his cap hit under 4M, and you get to keep a pretty productive DE.  At 32, I'm not sure he'd get a better deal than that in the open market.

 

 

He has $2.1M to carry forward to 2021 from his last signing bonus...

 

Cant see them keeping his cap hit under $7Mil next year even with a restructure..

[Mr. K]

I personally thought he came off the line early on the majority of his snaps and was surprised he only got 1 flag for it. The o-line has been doing a great job in pass protection to say the least. 

[Maynard]

8 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Williams and Feliciano need to be re-signed and I’m sure it’ll happen.. Quite a few underperformers that are being paid handsomely not to.. We can clear up $30M - $40M easily..

 

Question I have, will Morse be here next year? He’s getting paid quite a bit and he’s injury prone.. but there is no doubt that he’s a solid center.. Where does Ford fit into all of this? We obviously need more production, especially in the run department..

 

Do you cut Morse and move Feliciano to center? He seems to get more push in the run game.. I think that’s the logical thing to do.. Take that money from Morse and give it to Williams/Feliciano.. Draft a road grading guard to plug into RG.. Pray that Ford picks it up a notch or two at LG.. Should see some pretty decent improvements in the run game..

That’s the question I posed earlier. Can we cut Morse easily next year? I’d surely do that if it means we can keep both Williams and Feliciano. 

[Victory Formation]

53 minutes ago, Maynard said:

That’s the question I posed earlier. Can we cut Morse easily next year? I’d surely do that if it means we can keep both Williams and Feliciano. 

My friend, I think not only can we cut Morse next year but we should. There is an out in his contract, a $2M cap hit and $9M in savings. Sign Feliciano to a 3yr $21M dollar deal and plug him in at center. Take that extra $2M from cutting Morse and put it towards a Daryl Williams extension. Find a true road grading guard to put in on that right side and we should see Singletary and Moss put up some decent numbers. Pray Ford comes along.

[Saint Doug]

There’s a bit too much “let’s cut morse” on here for comfort. The guys does his job when he’s playing. I get that he’s injured a lot, but where would this team be if Feliciano was started and got injured. Bates? Then we’d be hurting. We’d be too thin without Morse. I’d say Williams needs to be paid, but not for the cost of an average LT. I would start negotiations at $9M. He’s current making $2.25M.