QLBillsFan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, OZBILLS said: Not in Buffalo, that's for sure Hmm actually no one gave him a contact and the Bills did. Chances Bills resign him equal high! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 59 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I sure hope so not having to worry so much about the right side has been nice. The failures on the RT has coincided with the drought. I hope the Bills can pay this man and get 2 bookend Tackles for the next 3-4 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Hmm actually no one gave him a contact and the Bills did. Chances Bills resign him equal high! I mean I think there will be the draw of a good situation around him here as well as a place he performs well in. But that only goes so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, OZBILLS said: Not in Buffalo, that's for sure So you think Bills won’t give him fair deal? When no one else gave him an offer this year? I see us resigning him at decent value. We have plenty of cap $ to eliminate elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Easy decision to re-sign him over Milano. Our defense survived just fine without Milano in the lineup. I'm not sure what our offense would do if Williams went down. It is much much easier to find a WLB for McDermott's scheme than a RT that can block at a high level 1-on-1. Plus Milano gets banged up every year. I'm surprised anyone would think Milano is more valuable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Didn't it seem he was going JUST a fraction before the ball 2as snapped nearly every play? He either has an AMAZING reaction time or is very lucky not to get flagged every play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Love MM but RT playing at that level come first.I see both signing Bills friendly contracts as best place to excel therefore extending career and $! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, Warcodered said: They've got to plan on Josh and Edmunds down the line. Diggs probably isn't playing out his current deal either. Gonna have to pay him too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, CLTbills said: Damn right he did. Watt was basically a non-factor tonight Not exactly. He got some pressures on Allen and forced him to get rid of the ball sooner. Or move away from the pressure. But yes, Williams did a nice job for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 All good 😌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: I think given the amount of resources he'd demand, Milano is a much lower priority. I think you can replace Milano easier than you can replace Williams. Given that we were managing to field decent defense with Milano on IR, but that we haven't had quality RT play for years, I think you're right. Nsekhe is capable, but at his age/injury history not an every game, all season player. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: Didn't it seem he was going JUST a fraction before the ball 2as snapped nearly every play? He either has an AMAZING reaction time or is very lucky not to get flagged every play. Common among vet OL. We have seen Pats do this for 20 years , good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Utah John said: The Bills need to keep all their leaders, and as many of their 8s as possible, but it's hard because 8s want to get paid like 9s or even 10s, and there are teams willing help out. Williams is playing like an 8, and he'll probably follow Phillips somewhere else. We can't pay him like a 9 or 10. We should be able to pay him like a true 8, and if he wants to accept that and stick around, that would be just fine. I just doubt that will happen. Help me better understand your evaluation: was tonight's performance by Williams an "8" in your eyes? (It's probably obvious that I value his single-handed elimination of Watt more than you do. Aside from a false start, one could argue he was elite against an elite opponent, allowing Daboll to call plays straight up, without dedicating extra blockers or shorter drops or limited routes.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 He’s been great. I hope he doesn’t make the Pro Bowl or 1st/2nd team All-Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: Didn't it seem he was going JUST a fraction before the ball 2as snapped nearly every play? He either has an AMAZING reaction time or is very lucky not to get flagged every play. I actually thought his false start was too close to call. Almost like in track-and-field, when a sprinter doesn't have to actually leave the blocks BEFORE the gun to be in violation; anticipating the snap TOO well looks like a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said: I actually thought his false start was too close to call. Almost like in track-and-field, when a sprinter doesn't have to actually leave the blocks BEFORE the gun to be in violation; anticipating the snap TOO well looks like a penalty. No, that was a true false start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Tag him Cut Murphy Sign Milano to a 1 year deal How much is the tag worth? If you want to keep him why not just sign him? Also Murphy is a FA after this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Don't believe the Bills can pay him market value. Over 6 years he got paid 12M, so he's not going to give the Bills a discount ,he'll have earned his first big contract. You're looking at 4 years, 8M+ a year + 9M bonus 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: How much is the tag worth? If you want to keep him why not just sign him? Also Murphy is a FA after this season ~14M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, appoo said: Don't believe the Bills can pay him market value. Over 6 years he got paid 12M, so he's not going to give the Bills a discount ,he'll have earned his first big contract. You're looking at 4 years, 8M+ a year + 9M bonus ~14M so pay him $14 M guaranteed for one year or sign him for 3 years at $30m? Neither option is appealing but can’t see them tagging him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 He and Mongo are priorities. God I want to keep OL continuity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, NickelCity said: He and Mongo are priorities. God I want to keep OL continuity. They can’t afford him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: They can’t afford him... Maybe. It depends on priorities. I wouldn't be surprised if we let him walk, as much as I love his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, NickelCity said: Maybe. It depends on priorities. I wouldn't be surprised if we let him walk, as much as I love his play. I would love them to keep him but paying Dawkins, Morse ( assumed for 2021) and resigning Feliciano for around $6m.. you can’t keep them all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I would love them to keep him but paying Dawkins, Morse ( assumed for 2021) and resigning Feliciano for around $6m.. you can’t keep them all! It simply means we move money from the DL to the OL....Our DL is currently the highest paid front-four. I can't see them carrying that forward next year...I expect to see Butler, Jefferson, Murphy all gone. Epenesa and Oliver have to step up along with Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I doubt the Bills can afford to keep him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, ganesh said: It simply means we move money from the DL to the OL....Our DL is currently the highest paid front-four. I can't see them carrying that forward next year...I expect to see Butler, Jefferson, Murphy all gone. Epenesa and Oliver have to step up along with Star. We get rid of those three and we'll have to replace them with probably two FAs. It would just leave holes. Murphy certainly seems almost certain. Butler and Jefferson considerably less so, though obviously they are both possibilities. But if you get rid of them, that leaves under contract : DEs: Addison, Epenesa, Hughes, Darryl Johnson DTs: Lotulelei, Oliver and Phillips Since we run an eight-man platoon, those seven alone would require us to bring in probably three guys, certainly two. I'm hoping we find a way, but I can't see much chance of keeping Milano, Feliciano and Williams. And Williams is the one who will maybe be the most expensive of the three. My guess is MIlano is the #1 priority of the three. I just don't see them having enough to keep Williams. If they do find enough, it'll likely be by creating new holes elsewhere, holes that will have to be filled one way or another. Edited December 14, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Utah John said: The Bills are winning by having very good to excellent players in most starting positions, and having injuries heal up at the right time. The generally have 8s (out of 10) at lots of spaces. The few that are better than 8 (Allen, Diggs, Beasley, White) are leaders and get paid like leaders. The 8s get paid very, very well but not as much as what some other team for whom an 8 is a big upgrade would be willing to pay. Jordan Phillips was an 8 last year and got the big contract from the Cardinals. I don't think he's played like an 8 this year. The Bills' secret sauce is all those 8s. Hyde, Poyer, Dawkins, Edmunds, Milano, Very good to excellent players in a lot of positions. This is a much better model than having one or two 9s or 10s, and a lot of 5s and 6s starting. The Bills have tried that many times and it doesn't work out. The Bills need to keep all their leaders, and as many of their 8s as possible, but it's hard because 8s want to get paid like 9s or even 10s, and there are teams willing help out. Williams is playing like an 8, and he'll probably follow Phillips somewhere else. We can't pay him like a 9 or 10. We should be able to pay him like a true 8, and if he wants to accept that and stick around, that would be just fine. I just doubt that will happen. Watt is a 10 and he was neutralized by that 8. You could argue that a lesser RT - a 7 or 6 - yesterday mightve lost us the game. All it wouldve taken was one timely strip sack or Watt having 2-3 drive killing sacks. The most i saw of Watt yesterday was him taking a breather on the sidelines. Resign Williams. Im more comfortable drafting a starting LB in the 2nd or 3rd rd than i am a top 5 RT in the NFL - which is basically what Williams is. Now that we have our franchise QB we need to keep adding to the OL and offense, not subtracting from it. Let McD work his magic on the defensive side. We need to continue to give Allen weapons and most importantly time in the pocket to use those weapons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Virgil said: Yeah, we need to bring him back. It sucks the cap is possibly going down. I want Milano and Williams back and then write the blank check to Allen the following year I think you will see a lot of one year deals because of this. Its not a Bills problem, it's a league wide problem. Edited December 14, 2020 by Billzgobowlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) Beane will put the best O-Line he can in front of his franchise QB. He knows that as Allen goes, the Bills go. The O-Line is not the place to start pinching pennies. I'd rather they release John Brown (I'm sorry Smoke, I think you're great) and use that money to resign Williams. Edited December 14, 2020 by Inigo Montoya 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I’d love to sign Williams! I’d even kick Morse to the curb, if possible, to do so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 If it comes down to Milano and Williams you sign Williams. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 hours ago, appoo said: Don't believe the Bills can pay him market value. Over 6 years he got paid 12M, so he's not going to give the Bills a discount ,he'll have earned his first big contract. You're looking at 4 years, 8M+ a year + 9M bonus ~14M If Williams agrees to $8-9M/year, it's a no-brainer. I pray that's all he's looking for. 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: We get rid of those three and we'll have to replace them with probably two FAs. It would just leave holes. Murphy certainly seems almost certain. Butler and Jefferson considerably less so, though obviously they are both possibilities. But if you get rid of them, that leaves under contract : DEs: Addison, Epenesa, Hughes, Darryl Johnson DTs: Lotulelei, Oliver and Phillips Since we run an eight-man platoon, those seven alone would require us to bring in probably three guys, certainly two. I'm hoping we find a way, but I can't see much chance of keeping Milano, Feliciano and Williams. And Williams is the one who will maybe be the most expensive of the three. My guess is MIlano is the #1 priority of the three. I just don't see them having enough to keep Williams. If they do find enough, it'll likely be by creating new holes elsewhere, holes that will have to be filled one way or another. Zimmer is a RFA who I'm sure they'll tag. And I could see them sacrificing Morse for Feliciano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I think Williams is a guy that you could let go and then sign another player that needs to sign a 'prove it deal' All assuming he prices himself out of what the bills cap will allow. You can sell a free agent that you come here for a little cheaper, make you look like an all pro and then you can make bank the following year Its gonna be a weird off season where players are gonna want to play here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Morse restructures or he goes. Astro says Bills scouting college Centers hard this year. A lot of what happens with Williams is going to be influenced by his play in the post season. If he continues to ball out I can't imagine Beane not throwing him a legit offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I think he's going to cost us John Brown on offense. Can't have both. 1 minute ago, Da webster guy said: Morse restructures or he goes. Astro says Bills scouting college Centers hard this year. A lot of what happens with Williams is going to be influenced by his play in the post season. If he continues to ball out I can't imagine Beane not throwing him a legit offer. Yeah a young center is needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 The other thing to think about, is with Josh's other worldly arm strength, he completed several passes and got a big PI call moving to his right and throwing across the field, that would tell me a quality RT is also a priority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think he's going to cost us John Brown on offense. Can't have both. Yeah a young center is needed. Agreed. This offense has been fine without Brown so id let him walk if that means keeping Williams. Williams is in the prime of his career. Allen is a stud and every resource in this franchise has to go into protecting him and giving him weapons. Could you imagine waiting 30yrs to find our franchise QB and then not giving him a damn OL to protect him or weapons to showcase his talent? A stud tackle > good WR in my opinion. Brown is good at what he does but hes a limited WR and replaceable. Id resign Williams even if it means Milano has to walk too. Again, we’ve been OK without him. First 3 rounds of draft in no specific order: TE OL (guard or center) LB (if Milano leaves - DL or DB if we resign Milano) we have two 5th rd picks next yr so we can add some quality depth to OL/LB as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, bobobonators said: The most i saw of Watt yesterday was him taking a breather on the sidelines. Yeah what was the deal with that? He took himself out, what I thought, a lot in that game. Even some key downs he was on the sideline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Agreed. This offense has been fine without Brown so id let him walk if that means keeping Williams. Williams is in the prime of his career. Allen is a stud and every resource in this franchise has to go into protecting him and giving him weapons. Could you imagine waiting 30yrs to find our franchise QB and then not giving him a damn OL to protect him or weapons to showcase his talent? A stud tackle > good WR in my opinion. Brown is good at what he does but hes a limited WR and replaceable. Id resign Williams even if it means Milano has to walk too. Again, we’ve been OK without him. First 3 rounds of draft in no specific order: TE OL (guard or center) LB (if Milano leaves - DL or DB if we resign Milano) we have two 5th rd picks next yr so we can add some quality depth to OL/LB as well I guess John Brown could also restructure. We'll have to wait and see. We still need that speed element to complete the offense. Its great to see Allen and the offense succeed without Brown because it was a worry of mine. Edited December 14, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 He was on his way to 10 million plus before tonight. Not sure the Bills will have the cashola to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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