billsbackto81 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: He's not fast. We need to upgrade the "small, fast, shifty" WR position. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) Must...have...McKittrick.... All he's done since he got here is make plays. Edited November 11, 2020 by Freddie's Dead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: No contract with guarantees........just basically another roster invite like he has been getting. Gotta' open up a roster spot for a deep threat to supplement and eventually replace John Brown. With Brown hobbled this year they have really lacked that 9 route specialist. Gabe Davis hopefully turns into a very good #2 WR but he doesn't have the deep speed to be that guy........they've tried and he can't get the CB off his hip. That deep guy doesn't have to be a #1 or #2 but preferably he is fast and at least over 6' and can track the deep ball. I advocated for drafting Johnny “Juice” Hightower specifically for the go-route role...turns out he tracks the deep ball about as well as I apply makeup 🤣 Edited November 11, 2020 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 4 hours ago, NewEra said: Dude makes 960k a year. Can’t get too much lower than that. I know it’s a different universe, but I could probably muster up a little enthusiasm for such a bottom of the barrel salary 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Worth noting that he made another really big play that almost nobody saw because of the power outage during the Dolphins game. You get the sense that Daboll will always have a gadget player so in the spirit of continuity I don't see why it can't be McKenzie for another 1 or 2 seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 5 hours ago, SCBills said: This. We run 4 wide a ton, but only really have 4 WR’s on the typical active roster. Roberts is valuable, but I don’t want to see him out there running routes, and McKenzie is more of a gadget player. The #5 WR should be a speed guy who can eventually take over Brown’s role (imo). I’d go as far as saying we should draft this guy in Round 1 or 2. I don't see the Bills using a high draft pick on a WR in next year's draft. The WR room is deep on this team. The top 4 WRs are under contract next year. I could see the Bills trying to get a speed WR later in the draft. I could see high draft picks at OT (both Williams and Nysekhe are FAs), LB (Milano is FA), CB (Norman FA), or DE (Murphy FA). They may try to bring some of these back but doubt Norman and Murphy are coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I still want to see Roberts and Isaiah return punts together, where one is the returner and one is a decoy to split coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 He is a solid role player on the team. It all boils down to price and available alternatives. For example, I've seen some mock drafts that have Buffalo picking up Rondale Moore in the second round of the 2021 draft. He would be the same type of player as McKenzie, but he has more upside. If the Bills were to draft Moore, then seeya, Isaiah. That's cold but its the way the NFL works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I’d rather see a small fast back drafted on day three. Someone who can play ST’s and provide a speed element our current backs don’t have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 When you dont ask McKenzie to play above his skill level....he does very well For the right price absolutely Think a little bit for the future....we need to use our picks HEAVILY on defense..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 6 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: I'll admit he is playing so much better than I thought he was capable of. Solid WR for the team this year. This is just my opinion, based on non-scientific eyeballs, but I think all our receivers have leveled-up this year since Diggs arrived. For example, one Diggs trademark is "late hands". He'll extend his arms or hands at the last moment so the DB can't use that motion as a signal the ball is coming. Guess what I saw on McKenzie's TD. He is slowly but surely becoming more than a "jet sweep" guy. I would love to see us re-sign McKenzie but it's gonna depend upon what he wants (or can get from other teams) and who else we want. For example, Daryl Williams is only 27; he's here on a 1 yr deal. So far I'm thinking "yeah baby, resign that dude" but, $$ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: I don't see the Bills using a high draft pick on a WR in next year's draft. The WR room is deep on this team. The top 4 WRs are under contract next year. I could see the Bills trying to get a speed WR later in the draft. I could see high draft picks at OT (both Williams and Nysekhe are FAs), LB (Milano is FA), CB (Norman FA), or DE (Murphy FA). They may try to bring some of these back but doubt Norman and Murphy are coming back. I don’t think there’s any way Daryl Williams and Jon Feliciano don’t get signed.. Don’t see any way we draft a LG high either.. so much invested into Ford.. that’s probably the one weak spot on our OL.. Think you go either LB, CB or DT with that first pick.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 6 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: He may already be replaced (Hodgins) who had a solid camp. Granted that doesn't mean much. Hodgins is in no way a candidate for the role McKenzie fills. Hodgins is a tall, sure-handed route runner who is always open 2 feet over his head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I’m torn. I don’t think he’s a bad player, but I also think he’s pretty easily replaced and maybe even upgraded with a low pick in the draft. This offseason will be pretty unpredictable for tons of reasons and I don’t think any of us will win the “what will Beane do” pool. I tend to disagree with that as he brings a very unique perspective and play set that usually can't quickly be taught to a rookie particularity a low drafted marginally talented one. While you could easily draft a more talented overall player, you won't likely find a rookie that can run all the plays he runs. The one exception may be Isaiah Hodgins, could be he's been told already to shadow McKenzie and learn his role and responsibilities. He actually may have more raw talent than McKenzie so he could be the one cheap asset that potentially step in as a gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 As many others have said, I like McKenzie. I think he has a role in this offense and has made some big plays for us this year. He's also great in the locker room. I assume he could be resigned for a relatively low salary and I think he likes his situation here. At the same time, I could see us drafting a guy to fill his role as well. I was actually hoping we'd grab Joe Reed (WR/KR from Virginia) with a late Day 3 pick this year to either replace or supplement McKenzie's role (the Chargers wound up taking him instead). Either way, I hope we draft a speed RB and a speed WR/gadget player this year. Doesn't have to be early picks, but we need to inject true speed into our offense. With the exception of John Brown, it's the one thing we're really lacking on that side of the ball at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 You won’t find a more valuable WR5 in the NFL than McKenzie. The specific things he does well benefit this offense and add a useful wrinkle. He can also fill in as a returner in a pinch. They keep bringing in dudes to replace him, but he keeps hanging around. I like McKenzie a lot, and if the cost isn’t prohibitive, I’d rather hang onto him than lose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: He's not fast. We need to upgrade the "small, fast, shifty" WR position. Please no more Glass Goodwins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 He should be on the team until they find someone who can do that role better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Yeah. I can see him replacing Roberts as a return man next year. Cap space won't allow us to keep both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JY422 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Absolutely yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Whkfc said: he is a jag. him coming back is fine but hes a 1-3 mil guy not a guy you pay alot for. he has shown wonderful improvement this year what is a jag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Just now, Muppy said: what is a jag? just a guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Whkfc said: just a guy gotcha thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Yup. For the right price. Why...well he can punt return and kick return if there was an injury to roberts. He helps the offense with his motion plays...and lastly he's actually improved a lot as a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Victory Formation said: I don’t think there’s any way Daryl Williams and Jon Feliciano don’t get signed.. Don’t see any way we draft a LG high either.. so much invested into Ford.. that’s probably the one weak spot on our OL.. Think you go either LB, CB or DT with that first pick.. I want Williams and Feliciano re-signed as well. Curious to see what they do in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think he plays a good role in our offense. He's great on Jet sweeps and his hands are pretty reliable. Good after the catch too. I think he's a very solid #5. Couldn't Roberts do the same thing? He's pretty elusive too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Yeah. I can see him replacing Roberts as a return man next year. Cap space won't allow us to keep both. Roberts is too dynamic a kick returner to let go right now. His opening return against Seattle set the tone for the game. He's been phenomenal this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, vincec said: Couldn't Roberts do the same thing? He's pretty elusive too. He could so it but he doesn't have the same low centre of gravity and quick feet. He wouldn't be as effective as McKenzie. If they replace McKenzie it will be with another drafted gadget guy IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, klos63 said: Roberts is too dynamic a kick returner to let go right now. His opening return against Seattle set the tone for the game. He's been phenomenal this season. They probably have to pay a decent cap number. Things start getting tight next year.Tough decisions to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I don’t really care. He’s fine, but honestly wouldn’t even know if he was on the roster or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Weren’t some of the Bills saying in training camp that McKenzie couldn’t be covered one-on-one? Sure hasn’t shown it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Absolutely at the right $. I think he won’t have high leverage unless he gets a significantly higher number of snaps. Seems to fit well and it appears a really like teammate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Weren’t some of the Bills saying in training camp that McKenzie couldn’t be covered one-on-one? Sure hasn’t shown it. I think that was Beasley they were talking about, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 McKenzie is a Daboll favorite. Solid hands and trusted in clutch situations. Backup returner. Requires attention from opposing DC's in gameplanning. Seems to get good separation vs man or zone. Cap friendly. No reason to think hes going anywhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think he plays a good role in our offense. He's great on Jet sweeps and his hands are pretty reliable. Good after the catch too. I think he's a very solid #5. unfortunately, you tend to cycle 5s, unless they become a 3. it’s hard to invest that deep when you can get talented But incomplete role players deep in the draft or cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Hodgins is in no way a candidate for the role McKenzie fills. Hodgins is a tall, sure-handed route runner who is always open 2 feet over his head. You don't have to replace McKenzie's talents to replace the 5th receiver on the team. I never said they were the same player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 15 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think he plays a good role in our offense. He's great on Jet sweeps and his hands are pretty reliable. Good after the catch too. I think he's a very solid #5. For the right price, yes, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They probably have to pay a decent cap number. Things start getting tight next year.Tough decisions to make. Roberts makes $2.3 million a season. McKenzie isn’t even our back up returner. That’s Hyde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 12 hours ago, Victory Formation said: I don’t think there’s any way Daryl Williams and Jon Feliciano don’t get signed.. Don’t see any way we draft a LG high either.. so much invested into Ford.. that’s probably the one weak spot on our OL.. Think you go either LB, CB or DT with that first pick.. If TE Kyle Pitts is there in Round 1 he'd be one of the guys I'd have a tough time not taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 19 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think he plays a good role in our offense. He's great on Jet sweeps and his hands are pretty reliable. Good after the catch too. I think he's a very solid #5. If the price is right, absolutely. He Has a role on this offense. One of the more underrated acquisitions. I forget what teams Practice Squad we got him from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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