78thealltimegreat Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Seems like he’s starting to get comfortable after being banged up. Can only hope he’s the between the tackles runner we desperately I do mean desperately need. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Moss had some burst, wiggle and hands today. If he starts running like Travis Henry I will be happy with that. He seems like the kind of RB that needs carries to get going. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Me too. I was happy with what I saw from 2 of his 4 carries last week as well. I thought his playing strength might not equate in the nfl, his 3rd down conversation vs the chiefs really impressed me. Got the 1st on pure second effort strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I actually think Moss is a slightly better version of Singletary. But I still think we need a Better back (someone bigger, stronger, faster to the hole). I was never a fournette fan, but watching him a little today, that’s sort of the guy we need. The guys we have aren’t featured backs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I actually think Moss is a slightly better version of Singletary. But I still think we need a Better back (someone bigger, stronger, faster to the hole). I was never a fournette fan, but watching him a little today, that’s sort of the guy we need. The guys we have aren’t featured backs. We need McCaffrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I actually think Moss is a slightly better version of Singletary. But I still think we need a Better back (someone bigger, stronger, faster to the hole). I was never a fournette fan, but watching him a little today, that’s sort of the guy we need. The guys we have aren’t featured backs. Doesn't have the same wiggle. Has more power. I think it's good to have both. When the line struggles be glad we have Singletary. If Moss can get to the second level then the defense better watch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Singletary flat out can't catch a ball to save his life. Neither rb is fast so whoever can make routine catches out of the backfield wins.....I'd give Moss the edge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: We need McCaffrey We need Donald and Mack. 7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Singletary flat out can't catch a ball to save his life. Neither rb is fast so whoever can make routine catches out of the backfield wins.....I'd give Moss the edge. We got pass catchers. Singletary is the better Runner although Moss is great if he gets to the second level. 20 receptions through 7 games is pretty good for a RB who can't catch. Edited October 26, 2020 by formerlyofCtown 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 He looked like he was running in quicksand when he had the 30 yard gain. I get it, run blocking has been suspect. Our rbs aren’t doing much better than what is blocked either. No burst through the hole from any of them. Yeldon has come the closest. Moss did look smooth out of the backfield. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Moss is more elusive than you think. He hasn't had that many touches. He doesn't break the defender's ankles with moves -- instead he breaks their arms by moving past them with force. I became a big Moss fan while living in Salt Lake City and watching Utah football. I was delighted the Bills drafted him and I think he'll be an asset for a long time to come. The problem with the running game isn't Moss or Singletary. It's the line. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: We need McCaffrey We need guards above replacement level 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, Utah John said: Moss is more elusive than you think. He hasn't had that many touches. He doesn't break the defender's ankles with moves -- instead he breaks their arms by moving past them with force. I became a big Moss fan while living in Salt Lake City and watching Utah football. I was delighted the Bills drafted him and I think he'll be an asset for a long time to come. The problem with the running game isn't Moss or Singletary. It's the line. I don’t know. There was a gaping hole today for Moss (and then another for Singletary) that I recall. Both guys hit those holes, were slow through them, and got mauled for minimal gain. I feel like there have been more holes and lanes there than we think (maybe not a ton— because, I agree, the oline hasn’t been great), but our RBs need to run with more power and decisiveness too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Moss is getting more comfortable and it showed. He disappointed me on that long run though. He kept talking about making people make business decisions and he had some db standing at the 10 as the only thing between him and the goalline and be neither bowled him over or juked him or stiff armed him. He kind of gave in to a casual tackle. Where was the “business decision” there, it looked like he made it not the other way around..... Edited October 26, 2020 by Locomark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 55 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Singletary flat out can't catch a ball to save his life. Neither rb is fast so whoever can make routine catches out of the backfield wins.....I'd give Moss the edge. Catches in 16 straight games and 20 through the 1st seven weeks suggest otherwise. On pace for a 43+ catch year. Pray tell, what are your metrics for those who can catch a ball to save their lives? Having 2 capable RBs as receivers to go with 3 high level WRs is a QBs dream. Beane has delivered receiving options for his maverick QB. Today showed we can play this type of game (short & accurate) in nearly all conditions. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Both RB's played well. This is the same Singletary that averaged an eye popping 5.1 yards per carry last year. We are not desperate. We just need to execute better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I would never associate the word burst with Moss, unless you were comparing him to Tolbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Moss had some burst, wiggle and hands today. If he starts running like Travis Henry I will be happy with that. He seems like the kind of RB that needs carries to get going. I would not classify what he has as "burst". He is painfully slow overall, but painfully slow accelerating. When I was watching the SF backs, it was noticeable how much quicker those back are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsayrundefense Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Moss has seemed pretty underwhelming to me. He was getting a lot of hype preseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I almost made this thread last night. I say start him and give him 15-20 touches against NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Still sooooooo slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 To me Singletary and Moss look like RB versions of Zay Jones. They may make a play if it’s easy to make but they won’t make any special plays. Below average and in need of upgrading. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I agree with the Travis Henry comparison. That’s exactly who he reminds me of. Moss was great in college at Utah. He’ll be fine. He loves contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Singletary flat out can't catch a ball to save his life. Neither rb is fast so whoever can make routine catches out of the backfield wins.....I'd give Moss the edge. Not a fair assessment. He's better than expected but does have problems in the screen game. Doesn't help though when Josh constantly forgets how short he is and lobs the ball 2 feet over his head and has to wait for the ball to come down before he runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Seems like he’s starting to get comfortable after being banged up. Can only hope he’s the between the tackles runner we desperately I do mean desperately need. I think Moss earned more Touches. I still am on record saying Moss will take the RB1 spot over by the end of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I agree with the Travis Henry comparison. That’s exactly who he reminds me of. Moss was great in college at Utah. He’ll be fine. He loves contact. Yeh he does have a little Travis in him luckily it’s on the field comparisons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I think Moss earned more Touches. I still am on record saying Moss will take the RB1 spot over by the end of the year. Me too....I will admit I expected more from him straight out of the gate, but we have to remember that there were no preseason games to help him adjust to the NFL game. There is no reason to think that it isn’t possible to happen by the end of the year, and yesterday was a good first step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 14 hours ago, Locomark said: Moss is getting more comfortable and it showed. He disappointed me on that long run though. He kept talking about making people make business decisions and he had some db standing at the 10 as the only thing between him and the goalline and be neither bowled him over or juked him or stiff armed him. He kind of gave in to a casual tackle. Where was the “business decision” there, it looked like he made it not the other way around..... I think that whole "business decision" stuff was when he was playing with boys and not men. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I've seen people on this board and on Twitter bashing the young man, and yet again no Pre-Season and a Rookie without a standard Off-Season and little ability to prepare as he normally would. Not to mention the injury which took him out of the early games and working in a new NFL Offense. For those who've said he's "slow" due to his 40 time at the Combine need to go back and do some research to review the fact of his hamstring injury leading up to the Combine and his agent recommending he NOT run. But Moss didn't want to cop-out and tried to tough his way through it. Additionally, if these folks had watched even the Moss highlights, they'd see that there were plenty of times he was pulling away from Corners / Safeties are at the very least making it difficult for them to catch him. Speedy enough to hit the hole and leave LBers behind and able to get around some edges but not blazing speed. In the NFL you don't need blazing speed, you just need enough speed to hit the hole and get chunks, which Moss has - it's more about vision, balance, breaking arm tackles and able to get 3 yards when it appears you can't get 1. Moss, has the potential, we just need to be patient and give him his Rookie year to grow into the role. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 18 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I actually think Moss is a slightly better version of Singletary. But I still think we need a Better back (someone bigger, stronger, faster to the hole). I was never a fournette fan, but watching him a little today, that’s sort of the guy we need. The guys we have aren’t featured backs. Yup...we should draft or trade for a #1 RB...hopefully Moss can become the “Kenneth Davis” backup- I do see that potential...with Singletary filling the “Plan C” RB that Yeldon currently occupies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Charles Romes said: To me Singletary and Moss look like RB versions of Zay Jones. They may make a play if it’s easy to make but they won’t make any special plays. Below average and in need of upgrading. Singletary is nothing but a playmaker. If he wasn’t swallowed within 1 second every time he got the ball that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Singletary is nothing but a playmaker. If he wasn’t swallowed within 1 second every time he got the ball that is. He might smash the season record for Tackles Broken in the Backfield this year 18 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Seems like he’s starting to get comfortable after being banged up. Can only hope he’s the between the tackles runner we desperately I do mean desperately need. Was verrrry interesting to see the Bills feeding him late. Great pad level and drive, always finds a way to get you that extra yard; that's really valuable when closing out games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Yup...we should draft or trade for a #1 RB...hopefully Moss can become the “Kenneth Davis” backup- I do see that potential...with Singletary filling the “Plan C” RB that Yeldon currently occupies... It was such a weird pick. There wasn’t a single back taken until the 32nd pick. 54 picks later, Moss was the 9th taken. If you’re going to go RB in the third, it seems like you would want it to be a top 5 guy at a minimum (which is exactly what Singletary was the year before). As it stands, McBeans’s spent two second day picks on RBs who don’t have an elite attribute between them. That’s not to say they’re bad players, but a good GM should be able to find serviceable RBs in the late rounds or in free agency. Hell, Fournette and Bell were mid season cuts just this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I liked Moss yesterday. On his long run, however, he slowed down prior to hitting his tackler. I’d prefer he keep the speed up to truly make it a ‘business decision’. I give rookies leeway...I think they deserve it. They are typically starry eyed and are just beginning to recognize that this is their job. I suspect he’ll be fine...and Singletary is as well...just get Feliciano back on the interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Moss looks average. Singletary is a little better, IMO, but neither one is going to scare opponents or cause them to game planning around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 10 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I agree with the Travis Henry comparison. That’s exactly who he reminds me of. Moss was great in college at Utah. He’ll be fine. He loves contact. No comparison. Travis Henry had more than one gear, he could actually accelerate. Watching Moss run into wide open space was depressing, he started slowing down after 5 yards of running. He’s either out of shape or he just cannot hit NFL-level speed. I like the Idea of Zach Moss more than the Actual Moss. A bruising, pass-catching dynamic running back sounds great. So far it’s not Moss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: No comparison. Travis Henry had more than one gear, he could actually accelerate. Watching Moss run into wide open space was depressing, he started slowing down after 5 yards of running. He’s either out of shape or he just cannot hit NFL-level speed. I like the Idea of Zach Moss more than the Actual Moss. A bruising, pass-catching dynamic running back sounds great. So far it’s not Moss. Yeah, this is a dumb take. You are totally off base. Good attempt to troll though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 19 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Moss had some burst, wiggle and hands today. If he starts running like Travis Henry I will be happy with that. He seems like the kind of RB that needs carries to get going. Wonder who started a thread about this and got ripped on. Oh ya me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Billl said: It was such a weird pick. There wasn’t a single back taken until the 32nd pick. 54 picks later, Moss was the 9th taken. If you’re going to go RB in the third, it seems like you would want it to be a top 5 guy at a minimum (which is exactly what Singletary was the year before). As it stands, McBeans’s spent two second day picks on RBs who don’t have an elite attribute between them. That’s not to say they’re bad players, but a good GM should be able to find serviceable RBs in the late rounds or in free agency. Hell, Fournette and Bell were mid season cuts just this year. Completely agree...and that’s what our RBs are- serviceable Edited October 27, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:51 AM, ny33 said: We need guards above replacement level And DT’s as well- see Olivers grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDCC Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 He did run better which probably saved him from being deactivated for the Patriots game. Was it enough?i don’t know. It was possible for the bills to activate Yeldon. I believe our OC really likes what Yeldon brings to the offense. I am not sure McDermott likes him because he puts the ball on the ground. You know how McDermott is about protecting the ball. It will be interesting to see if Yeldon is activated to show something new to the Pats. Maybe not with Brown playing this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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