The Bills have a superstar Elite NFL QB

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

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it’s undeniable 

[HappyDays]

We might. He has to shake off a bad game and return to where he was the first 4 weeks. If he can do that against Kansas City without missing a beat I'll believe he is an elite QB.

[17islongenough]

Not sure why he's on the practice squad though

[LABILLBACKER]

I'm sure he'll bounce back and put up points, especially with smoke back. What terrifies me is our D?

[mykidsdad]

the throw on Tuesday to Yeldon is impossible for all but 3 or 4 humans on the planet. hope that translates to a ring. a ring before I die!

[Dr.Sack]

You always have a puncher’s chance if you have devastating power. I feel with Allen we are certainly capable of knocking out anyone. The question will be can Allen show he is patient enough to settle for the jab and use them to slowly wear down his opponents? I think that’s what he needs to do. Teams fear him now. They’ve watched the tape. Allen must prove he is not reckless. 

[Ralonzo]

It’s a process.

haha meme qb, beat us with your legs.

oh crap, beat us with arm.

oh crap, beat us deep.

oh crap, beat us with execution.  <—. You are here

[ChanticleerBillsFan]

Just watched Eric Turner’s Covers1 breakdown of his “bad game”. Josh made 10-12 throws that were incredible. Throws that if your QB made one you would reference that throw in your mind believing he is the real deal. The dude is legit. It has me jazzed up for the future. I highly recommend watching. 

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

it’s undeniable 

 

 

 

LInk?

 

At this early stage, it's deniable.

 

He's been playing superbly for five games, but Tyrod was terrific for five games too. Some guys regress. Some guys lose it. Sometimes teams figure guys out. It happens. On the other hand, sometimes guys become superstars.

 

Certainly his arm talent is superstar-level. That's been clear since college. There's a lot more to the game than that though.

 

Far too early to think we know the final verdict. It does seem to be leaning that way, though.

Edited October 16, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

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it’s undeniable 

 

I would say the Bills still have a "Sweet Dream, or a Beautiful Nightmare".

 

He's taken a leap, no doubt.

But we still have "Good Josh, Bad Josh".

 

Good Josh makes throws maybe no, maybe one or two, other QB in the league can make.

He can move in the pocket and escape and extend plays with his legs and these days he mostly extends them to find an open receiver.

He can read the D correctly and know where his answers are - most of the time

 

People who dis on Josh for that Titans game simply don't know how to watch a football game, he did a LOT that was good and had no help from the run game.  But he also made several really stupid passing decisions in addition to the 2nd half INT that pretty much threw the game (see below)

 

5 hours ago, ChanticleerBillsFan said:

Just watched Eric Turner’s Covers1 breakdown of his “bad game”. Josh made 10-12 throws that were incredible. Throws that if your QB made one you would reference that throw in your mind believing he is the real deal. The dude is legit. It has me jazzed up for the future. I highly recommend watching. 

 

I've been watching that too.  Another EXCELLENT analysis is QB coach Jim Kubiak's in The Buffalo News (paywall, may be trial option - I could get there with private window).  Really worth a read:

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/jim-kubiak-progression-of-reads-part-of-bills-qb-josh-allens-undoing-vs-titans/article_3dffbaa6-0e52-11eb-9895-67879075f710.html

 

The good news is improved patience, improved ability to read defenses, and those incredible, spin-your-head-around exorcist throws he can make.

The bad news is "Gunslinger Josh" still needs to take a Chill Pill sometimes. 

 

Watching Cover1 and also re-watching some the film (need more whiskey to make it all the way through), there really were at least two other throws in that game Josh simply should not have made.  He had better alternatives open (albeit shorter) and he should have taken them.  You do not throw to double-covered Gabe Davis deep when there's an open check-down alternative with yardage to be made on the ground.  Likewise to triple-covered Stefon Diggs.  Just No. 

 

I hope that's part of what Josh meant when he said he wasn't fooled much, he just got greedy.   Josh had one INT that's on him.  But he could easily have had 2 more.  And he could have had completions elsewhere all 3 throws.

 

He can also still improve his ball placement at times.  As Kubiak notes, a QB expects that his WR will adjust and bring in a throw like that, but if Josh placed the ball 3 feet to the right it's a ball even Andre Roberts is able to catch instead of a deflection and an INT.

 

I have huge hope for the future, but there's still work to be done.  The future has not quite arrived.

 

To his credit, I think Josh knows that.

 

 

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

We might. He has to shake off a bad game and return to where he was the first 4 weeks. If he can do that against Kansas City without missing a beat I'll believe he is an elite QB.

 

I don't think he really has to "return" anywhere.  The Titans were giving him a very different coverage strategy on defense than he had the first 4 weeks, and he didn't adjust to it as quickly as we'd like.  Josh was still able to read it (as he said "didn't fool me much") and make plays with his arm - some of them incredible.

 

I don't know how much of that is coaching and play design, and how much is what's in Josh's head, but hopefully it was a learning experience, because he's going to see that strategy on defense at least 4 more times this season.  And he may see it next week.

 

Recommend Kubiak and that cover1 piece.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

Not sure why he's on the practice squad though

 

Davis Webb fan?

[HOUSE]

Josh Allen's mom thanks you

[CSBill]

Sorry, you lost me at "Quarterback from Navy" Mr. Kubiak. Next we'll be getting a wide receiver from Army to evaluate the WR play.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Sorry, you lost me at "Quarterback from Navy" Mr. Kubiak. Next we'll be getting a wide receiver from Army to evaluate the WR play.

 

So what are your criteria for evaluating QB play, Mr CSBill?  Tell us your football chops***....

 

How about read the article?  With what part of the analysis did you disagree?

 

***It's not that I think someone needs a huge football pedigree to comment sensibly on football.  But when someone has actually played and coached at a couple of different levels of the game, I think their comments need to be accepted or dismissed on the merits, not just because you don't have a high opinion of where they played.  That's just silly, especially if you don't have at least an equivalent or better pedigree yourself.

[ChevyVanMiller]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

LInk?

 

At this early stage, it's deniable.

 

He's been playing superbly for five games, but Tyrod was terrific for five games too. Some guys regress. Some guys lose it. Sometimes teams figure guys out. It happens. On the other hand, sometimes guys become superstars.

 

Certainly his arm talent is superstar-level. That's been clear since college. There's a lot more to the game than that though.

 

Far too early to think we know the final verdict. It does seem to be leaning that way, though.

 

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

Sorry, you lost me at "Quarterback from Navy" Mr. Kubiak. Next we'll be getting a wide receiver from Army to evaluate the WR play.

Lol.  You do realize that Bills WR coach Chad Hall is an Air Force Academy graduate. 

[whorlnut]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

We might. He has to shake off a bad game and return to where he was the first 4 weeks. If he can do that against Kansas City without missing a beat I'll believe he is an elite QB.

This is part of what’s wrong with this fan base, IMO. Allen has done nothing but improved over the entire course of his brief career, but it’s never good enough.
 

Allen was unbelievable the first four games of the season and other than a few bad throws against Tennessee he wasn’t that bad there either. People ignore four amazing games and only focus on one “bad” game around here. 
 

If he plays great against KC, you will be happy...until his next bad game. Then you will say he needs to bounce back before you consider his “the guy”. You see how silly this is yet?  The guy is still in the upper ranks of nearly every quarterback category and we want “more”? It just doesn’t make sense. No one saw him being where he is today, but for some it’s still not good enough. All qbs have bad games. It’s bound to happen. But we should already be thrilled with Allen’s progress and the future that he has. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I agree Jim Kelly was elite. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would say the Bills still have a "Sweet Dream, or a Beautiful Nightmare".

 

He's taken a leap, no doubt.

But we still have "Good Josh, Bad Josh".

 

Good Josh makes throws maybe no, maybe one or two, other QB in the league can make.

He can move in the pocket and escape and extend plays with his legs.

He can read the D correctly and know where his answers are - most of the time

 

People who dis on Josh for that Titans game simply don't know how to watch a football game, he did a LOT that was good and had no help from the run game.

 

 

I've been watching that too.  Another EXCELLENT analysis is QB coach Jim Kubiak's in The Buffalo News (paywall, may be trial option - I could get there with private window).  Really worth a read:

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/jim-kubiak-progression-of-reads-part-of-bills-qb-josh-allens-undoing-vs-titans/article_3dffbaa6-0e52-11eb-9895-67879075f710.html

 

The good news is improved patience, improved ability to read defenses, and those incredible, spin-your-head-around exorcist throws he can make.

The bad news is "Gunslinger Josh" still needs to take a Chill Pill sometimes. 

 

Watching Cover1 and also re-watching some the film (need more whiskey to make it all the way through), there really were at least two other throws in that game Josh simply should not have made.  He had better alternatives open (albeit shorter) and he should have taken them.  You do not throw to double-covered Gabe Davis deep when there's an open check-down alternative with yardage to be made on the ground.  Likewise to triple-covered Stefon Diggs.  Just No. 

 

I hope that's part of what Josh meant when he said he wasn't fooled much, he just got greedy.   Josh had one INT that's on him.  But he could easily have had 2 more.  And he could have had completions elsewhere all 3 throws.

 

He can also still improve his ball placement at times.  As Kubiak notes, a QB expects that his WR will adjust and bring in a throw like that, but if Josh placed the ball 3 feet to the right it's a ball even Andre Roberts is able to catch. 

 

I have huge hope for the future, but there's still work to be done.  The future has not quite arrived.

 

To his credit, I think Josh knows that.

 

 

 

I don't think he really has to "return" anywhere.  The Titans were giving him a very different coverage strategy on defense than he had the first 4 weeks, and he didn't adjust to it as quickly as we'd like.  Josh was still able to read it (as he said "didn't fool me much") and make plays with his arm - some of them incredible.

 

I don't know how much of that is coaching and play design, and how much is what's in Josh's head, but hopefully it was a learning experience, because he's going to see that strategy on defense at least 4 more times this season.  And he may see it next week.

 

Recommend Kubiak and that cover1 piece.

Great summary, thanks. I wonder too if some of this was just “pressing” the situation. , The feel of the game was not ever  really going our way and when we would strike, the Ttans would just come back and hit us harder. Then it was almost like trying to force feed Diggs all the time. 
 

He still has Lots to learn and improve on as you say and Josh I’m sure takes it too heart. Move on and be better. Josh is going to leave it all out there for us for sure. It’s scary crazy to see how high his ceiling can be. 

 

It was not as  horrible some people make out to be when  using terms like regression(hardly) , and certainly not his best.
 

I wish our defense could get back to making life miserable for opposing quarterbacks. 
 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

51 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Lol.  You do realize that Bills WR coach Chad Hall is an Air Force Academy graduate. 

 

OMG Priceless 🔥 

 

This is the coach Stefon Diggs just called "probably one of the best coaches I've ever had" in his press availability this week. (50 seconds in)

 

(I did not know that either)

 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

Lol.  You do realize that Bills WR coach Chad Hall is an Air Force Academy graduate. 

 

44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OMG Priceless 🔥 

 

This is the coach Stefon Diggs just called "probably one of the best coaches I've ever had" in his press availability this week. (50 seconds in)

 

(I did not know that either)

 

and he wasnt even a WR there. he was a BEAST at rb. 1400 rush yds and 15 td.... that team was actually really good and they finished as a ranked squad. i remember it well because that was back in my college days when i had a ton of time to kill and watched tons of college football. used to love staying up and watching those west coast games out in the pac 10 and mount. west.

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Davis Webb fan?

More likely Duke "I can do everything" Williams

[MAJBobby]

So he is doing what he is doing this year and the Bills still have a drop problem as well. 
 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

So he is doing what he is doing this year and the Bills still have a drop problem as well. 
 

 

Cue the "Its because he throws such an inaccurate ball" posts....

[JustWinPlease]

He needs to beat Kansas City...he needs that one big win under his belt.

[K-9]

Allen’s “bad” game wasn’t all that “bad.” It’s actually a good sign that in a game in which he was forced to be patient and take what the defense was giving him, he was able to move the ball up and down the field most of the night. 

[SCBills]

In Allen’s “bad” game, which most people have acknowledged wasn’t even bad, I thought he was on pace for a solid B grade until the Butler pick.   
 

He’s allowed to throw a pick (that’s actually on him) once in a while, but given the flow of that game, that interception all but gave us the L.  

A lot of impartial observers thought Allen played a solid game as well.  
 

That said, I think Allen believes it was a poor game for him, and that shows how far he’s grown.  He’s absolutely flirting with elite, top 5 QB status, and I’m very confident he gets there.   A bounce back game against Mahomes on National tv would certainly go a long way in solidifying his “elite” standing as early as this season.  

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

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it’s undeniable 

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[formerlyofCtown]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

LInk?

 

At this early stage, it's deniable.

 

He's been playing superbly for five games, but Tyrod was terrific for five games too. Some guys regress. Some guys lose it. Sometimes teams figure guys out. It happens. On the other hand, sometimes guys become superstars.

 

Certainly his arm talent is superstar-level. That's been clear since college. There's a lot more to the game than that though.

 

Far too early to think we know the final verdict. It does seem to be leaning that way, though.

Oh yup.  I remember that stretch where Tyrod averaged over 300 yards and 3 passing TDs per game completing 69%.😉

 

Oh wait..., Nevermind.

[JerseyBills]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

We might. He has to shake off a bad game and return to where he was the first 4 weeks. If he can do that against Kansas City without missing a beat I'll believe he is an elite QB.

I don't think the game was that bad or bad at all. The drops, the penalties were atrocious. Josh was 63% , 265 yards , 2 TD , 1 int was really on him. No running game to help him also. The O as a whole needs to play better 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

So he is doing what he is doing this year and the Bills still have a drop problem as well. 
 

 

 

Wow I'm actually stunned by this graph.  I had no idea that they were dropping so many of his passes. 

 

And my understanding is that if the throw was "inaccurate" it doesn't count as a drop.  If the Bills receivers can clean this up we're sitting golden.

 

Also, this was not a bad game by Allen.  It was an average game by our young QB.  The idea that it was a bad game is simply a mirage after watching him have four great games in a row.

 

 

[Success]

Long time comin'.....

 

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Wow I'm actually stunned by this graph.  I had no idea that they were dropping so many of his passes. 

 

And my understanding is that if the throw was "inaccurate" it doesn't count as a drop.  If the Bills receivers can clean this up we're sitting golden.

 

Also, this was not a bad game by Allen.  It was an average game by our young QB.  The idea that it was a bad game is simply a mirage after watching him have four great games in a row.

 

 

 

Based on this Allen had three beyond the sticks that were dropped last game.  So I wasn't expecting to see this many drops so far this year, likely because the other drops didn't affect the game as much as they did Tuesday.

[TheElectricCompany]

8 hours ago, mykidsdad said:

the throw on Tuesday to Yeldon is impossible for all but 3 or 4 humans on the planet

 

I'll bite...prove it.

I love what Josh is doing, and of course he is a tremendously gifted passer,  but the whole "nobody else can make those throws" shtick is pretty silly.

We have seen all the elite QBs make some tremendous throws (Mahomes is in a class of his own) in recent weeks, and even some of the up and comers (Herbert!) have been dropping dimes. It's not like the Bills are asking WRs to run routes that rely on spectacular throws either.

Edited October 16, 2020 by TheElectricCompany

[starrymessenger]

With experience Allen will continue to improve, become more patient, rely on his playmakers, read defences better. He's still trending up and we don't know what the ceiling is, except we know it's high. There is room for improvement. As some have mentioned he's made great strides in being more consistently accurate with his throws but his ball placement can and will get better. He's been working on making his throws more receiver friendly.

Dude has shown that he has all of the characteristics of an elite QB and it's looking very much like he will eventually get there. Bills also have managed him very well. There are few players who earn top marks in all relevant evaluation measures for the position they play. Allen is one of those. He's gonna be so rich it's ridiculous.

[bills6969]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

We might. He has to shake off a bad game and return to where he was the first 4 weeks. If he can do that against Kansas City without missing a beat I'll believe he is an elite QB.

He didn’t really have a bad game vs Tenn.  1 of his 2 interceptions was due to a mistake by the (backup) WR.  Tenn is also one of the better teams in the league.

[ganesh]

10 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

Not sure why he's on the practice squad though

with a Non-Contact Injury designation 🙂

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, whorlnut said:

This is part of what’s wrong with this fan base, IMO. Allen has done nothing but improved over the entire course of his brief career, but it’s never good enough.
 

Allen was unbelievable the first four games of the season and other than a few bad throws against Tennessee he wasn’t that bad there either. People ignore four amazing games and only focus on one “bad” game around here. 

 

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

I don't think the game was that bad or bad at all. The drops, the penalties were atrocious. Josh was 63% , 265 yards , 2 TD , 1 int was really on him. No running game to help him also. The O as a whole needs to play better 

 

20 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

He didn’t really have a bad game vs Tenn.  1 of his 2 interceptions was due to a mistake by the (backup) WR.  Tenn is also one of the better teams in the league.

 

I should have made my point clearer. I'm not saying Allen had a bad game. I'm saying the entire offense did and he played at a sub-elite level. If he can shake it off and have another passing game like his first 4 weeks I will be very confident he is already an elite QB. Frankly we'll need him to be if we want to win the Super Bowl this year. The defense has struggled all year so if the offense doesn't play well in the 1st half the game will get away from us.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

For naysayers please tell me who else can make that TD throw to yeldon. I can list a number of guys in canton that can’t. The play was otherworldly. 
 

Now they really just need to focus on getting more KC like play makers that can make a tacklers miss Or hands guys that catch everything and keep backfilling. Or a very good RB. 
 

The NFL just learned from the titans Josh is too good to stack the box or play man defense. Your only hope is zone and force the short game. Since the Bills don’t have any game breaking RAC guys or a stout running game or a really good seam busting TE to exploit it, it works. For now... 

 

 

[TBBills Fan]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Subscribe?

 

is this for a Lamp of the month Club?

 

 

 

ITs for the Cheese of the month club, WTF

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

For naysayers please tell me who else can make that TD throw to yeldon. I can list a number of guys in canton that can’t. The play was otherworldly. 
 

Now they really just need to focus on getting more KC like play makers that can make a tacklers miss Or hands guys that catch everything and keep backfilling. Or a very good RB. 
 

The NFL just learned from the titans Josh is too good to stack the box or play man defense. Your only hope is zone and force the short game. Since the Bills don’t have any game breaking RAC guys or a stout running game or a really good seam busting TE to exploit it, it works. For now... 

 

 

john Brown changes that dynamic completely when hes healthy.