Ngakoue Watch is officially on!

[IgotBILLStopay]

The Franchise Tag deadline is looming (July 15). Doubt the Jags get an unconditional  first rounder for him. I think most national analysts have his possible destination wrong. The teams being mentioned as possible trading partners for the Jags (Seahawks, Eagles etc.) just dont have the cap space to fork over 20 mill a year for Ngakoe (and he is worth every penny of that). The only logical team remains the Bills if the Jags are interested in trading him. And if it happens, it will happen in the next few days!

 

Besides TE, DE is the one position we are a little underwhelming. We are decent but not really dominating. And Ngakoue fits perfectly. Beane has shown he is willing to be aggressive - maybe he can offer Murphy and a 2nd rounder which can turn into a first if Ngakoue delivers at a probowl level. Murphy's best years were with Jay Gruden as the coach in Washington - and Gruden is on the Jags staff now.

 

The other DE dominos to fall will be Barrett, Clowney, Griffin  and Markus Golden - deadline for Golden deal is July 22. Barrett will sign with Tampa, I dont view Golden as an upgrade over what we have,  Clowney will likely sign after a physical and he and Griffen will likely sign only after the Ngakoue situation is resolved. So I think it is basically Ngakoue or the status quo at DE for us at this point.

 

Bottomline - something to watch out for in these moribund times. And yes, I know there is a chance there will be no season but I remain optimistic.

 

Edit: sry I meant Jay Gruden who was the Redskins HC, and is now on the Jags staff, not Kyle Shanahan.

Edited July 8, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

God I hope not,  give the guys the team drafted a chance before writing them off.  Been stated in a number of articles, Knox needs to be on the field as much as possible.  This type of knee jerk move goes against that!

 

OK, yeah had the wrong name, wrong position, wrong current team, but other than that was exactly correct.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Don Otreply]

Its always entertaining to watch/read of the various lines of thought on “available” players. I think the Bills will hold tight, but it’s not like I really know Beane and McDermotts intent. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Bangarang]

It can’t be the Eagles or Seahawks so that only leaves us? Lol what?

 

Either way I’ll pass.

[PIZ]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

God I hope not,  give the guys the team drafted a chance before writing them off.  Been stated in a number of articles, Knox needs to be on the field as much as possible.  This type of knee jerk move goes against that!

 

You are thinking of Njoku the TE. The poster is talking about Ngakoue the DE.

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

You are thinking of Njoku the TE. The poster is talking about Ngakoue the DE.

 

 

 

OK too close of a name!  LOL

[ProcessAccepted]

10 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

God I hope not,  give the guys the team drafted a chance before writing them off.  Been stated in a number of articles, Knox needs to be on the field as much as possible.  This type of knee jerk move goes against that!

I know you have the player wrong but I agree with the premise. 

[MJS]

23 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

...

Besides TE, DE is the one position we are a little underwhelming. We are decent but not really dominating. And Ngakoue fits perfectly. Beane has shown he is willing to be aggressive - maybe he can offer Murphy and a 2nd rounder which can turn into a first if Ngakoue delivers at a probowl level. Murphy's best years were with Kyle Shanahan as the coach in Washington - and Shanahan is on the Jags staff now.

...

 

I'd include linebacker in that underwhelming category. We've got some good starters in Edmunds and Milano and then the rest are replaceable depth. And we lost Alexander.

 

I'm actually happy with our DE signings and the draft pick.

 

I'm also a little higher on Dawson Knox than many, I guess. He looked promising to me even though he had some drops.

[BuffalothruMyVeins]

24 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Besides TE, DE is the one position we are a little underwhelming. We are decent but not really dominating. And Ngakoue fits perfectly. Beane has shown he is willing to be aggressive - maybe he can offer Murphy and a 2nd rounder which can turn into a first if Ngakoue delivers at a probowl level. Murphy's best years were with Kyle Shanahan as the coach in Washington - and Shanahan is on the Jags staff now.

1. Shanahan was the OC, Murphy is a DE, I doubt there is any familiarity between the two beyond facial recognition.

2. Shanahan left Washington after the 2013 season, and Murphy was drafted that next spring, so there is even more unfamiliarity.

3. Additionally, Shanahan is the 49ers head coach, not working in Jacksonville. 

 

Soooooo

[Rc2catch]

11 minutes ago, BuffalothruMyVeins said:

1. Shanahan was the OC, Murphy is a DE, I doubt there is any familiarity between the two beyond facial recognition.

2. Shanahan left Washington after the 2013 season, and Murphy was drafted that next spring, so there is even more unfamiliarity.

3. Additionally, Shanahan is the 49ers head coach, not working in Jacksonville. 

 

Soooooo

THANK YOU.. I read his whole silly jibberish and this was what caught my eye out of everything. 
 

OP, Mario Addison has had better numbers than yannick and is a fraction of the cost. He’s older but he’s proven (not just one season on a dominant defense) 
Stop “name chasing” and look at who is on the team. We’re not signing or trading for no 20 million a year guys. 

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Rc2catch

[machine gun kelly]

With the cap going down by somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-30%, I seriously doubt it.  We already brought in at a better price, Jefferson, Butler, and Addison, and H. Phillips is back on the field.  If we were to give up draft picks which we need as cheap labor, on top of that $20 mil. In costs.  We need to keep that $20 mil. In cap space to extend Dawkins and Milano.  Then we have to save for T.White in two years, and Allen in 3 (yes I’m assuming we take the 5th year option on both of the players).  Ngokue is a luxury and the current management worked for three years to get us out of bad contracts.  We’re not going backwards now.  We already have the most talented roster I’ve seen in the Bills in 20+ years.

[BillsFan17]

25 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I'd include linebacker in that underwhelming category. We've got some good starters in Edmunds and Milano and then the rest are replaceable depth. And we lost Alexander.

 

I'm actually happy with our DE signings and the draft pick.

 

I'm also a little higher on Dawson Knox than many, I guess. He looked promising to me even though he had some drops.

Running a base nickel, how many LBS do you need? Having two stud up and comers is underwhelming? Maybe the lack of depth is something, but LB is far from a weakness on this team.

[QB Bills]

Get this guy and cut Chris Kelsay (aka Trent Murphy) and this defense would be lights out. Maybe the best in the league.

[IgotBILLStopay]

1 hour ago, BuffalothruMyVeins said:

1. Shanahan was the OC, Murphy is a DE, I doubt there is any familiarity between the two beyond facial recognition.

2. Shanahan left Washington after the 2013 season, and Murphy was drafted that next spring, so there is even more unfamiliarity.

3. Additionally, Shanahan is the 49ers head coach, not working in Jacksonville. 

 

Soooooo

my bad. I meant Jay Gruden

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

my bad. I meant Jay Gruden

So what’s your point then?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I love Knox and I'm fine with what they have at TE.

 

DE and OLB are still problem areas.  I stated that before the draft and free agency.  They added run stuffing quality linemen in free agency and the draft.  I have no issue with the guys they signed.  They veterans should be stout at the point of attack and should play mistake free football while letting the rookie learn.

 

They lack explosiveness though.  I would have traded up for Josh Allen instead of sitting tight for Oliver  but past is pas/.  Hughes is aging and though he may be capable with a better complement he is not the long term answer.  They need a dynamic playmaker on the outside.  Is that Ngakoue? Is it that Clowney or has that shipped sailed to Vegas?  If they play football this yer, the Bills should be all in and not wait until next year to get a dynamic OLB/EDGE/DE whatever you want to call it. 

[PetermansRedemption]

I’m never a fan of giving up a premium asset for the privilege of overpaying a player. That recipe rarely works out. 

[JoPoy88]

Don’t need him and don’t want him. 

[Logic]

There is about a 1% chance the Bills make a move for Ngakoue. 

 

[jamiezzz]

Stay the course, and sign Tre White before we pay this guy.  I think he's a good fit, but too expensive.   

[Reneth Gilne]

4 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

OK too close of a name!  LOL

and the wrong team since he mentioned the jags and trent murphy, whos also not a TE, or did you not read the article?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

The Franchise Tag deadline is looming (July 15). Doubt the Jags get an unconditional  first rounder for him. I think most national analysts have his possible destination wrong. The teams being mentioned as possible trading partners for the Jags (Seahawks, Eagles etc.) just dont have the cap space to fork over 20 mill a year for Ngakoe (and he is worth every penny of that). The only logical team remains the Bills if the Jags are interested in trading him. And if it happens, it will happen in the next few days!

 

Besides TE, DE is the one position we are a little underwhelming. We are decent but not really dominating. And Ngakoue fits perfectly. Beane has shown he is willing to be aggressive - maybe he can offer Murphy and a 2nd rounder which can turn into a first if Ngakoue delivers at a probowl level. Murphy's best years were with Jay Gruden as the coach in Washington - and Gruden is on the Jags staff now.

 

The other DE dominos to fall will be Barrett, Clowney, Griffin  and Markus Golden - deadline for Golden deal is July 22. Barrett will sign with Tampa, I dont view Golden as an upgrade over what we have,  Clowney will likely sign after a physical and he and Griffen will likely sign only after the Ngakoue situation is resolved. So I think it is basically Ngakoue or the status quo at DE for us at this point.

 

Bottomline - something to watch out for in these moribund times. And yes, I know there is a chance there will be no season but I remain optimistic.

 

Edit: sry I meant Jay Gruden who was the Redskins HC, and is now on the Jags staff, not Kyle Shanahan.

one of my biggest concerns about the bills defensive line situation is some day, and I don’t know when,  Jerry is going to stop being so angry. 
 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa

 

That's more than enough firepower.

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

one of my biggest concerns about the bills defensive line situation is some day, and I don’t know when,  Jerry is going to stop being so angry. 
 

 

The body will quit before the mind with a guy like him... crossing fingers for a few more good years

[4merper4mer]

10 hours ago, PIZ said:

 

You are thinking of Njoku the TE. The poster is talking about Ngakoue the DE.

 

 

You're right but the same sediment apply to E.J. Esmeralda.

[BruceVilanch]

10 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

OK too close of a name!  LOL

i've rescinded my "confused" reaction on your prior post, I get your response now!

[Putin]

7 hours ago, Logic said:

There is about a 1% chance the Bills make a move for Ngakoue. 

 

Sooo you’re saying there is a chance ?? 

48 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa

 

That's more than enough firepower.

Agree let’s see what our new DL will look like before we start handing out premium assets and huge contracts 

Go Bills !!!

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa

 

That's more than enough firepower.

Realistically 2 of those guys are getting a little long in the tooth

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

So what’s the latest from the watch?

 

Anything new to report?

[Warcodered]

18 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

So what’s the latest from the watch?

 

Anything new to report?

 

eh, everything's fine.

[Hampton Josh fan]

Get this guy and dump Hughes. This man is a beast and will wreck games. This move would solidify our defense for the next 5 years. Hughes was largely invisible last year and he's got a big, divisive mouth as well. Espenesa and Addison, with the guy who arguably the top sack guy in football. Wow.

[DrDawkinstein]

9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa

 

That's more than enough firepower.

 

Maybe for this year. But that's about it.

 

Hughes is gone after this year. Murphy is a UFA. Addison will be 33 before THIS season starts. AJ is unproven.

 

We'll have to replace Hughes and at least Murphy. Would be nice to have a young, big talent already on the roster for the future. I'd even cut Murphy this year to clear room.

 

AJ and Ngakoue as set pieces for years to come.

[Buff76ers]

Anytime we have a chance to upgrade the roster you need to seriously look into that.  I would seriously doubt the Jags would go for a murphy and 2nd that turns into a 1st but I have been wrong before.  This guy is one of the best and I would trade for him in a sec as long as the price is not too steep. 

[DCofNC]

Love the talent, but the pick and money isn’t viable on this roster.  They have 5 guys who are all making good money and are good players.  To bring him in, you have to get rid of 2 and give up a premium pick and rely more on Eppenesa to be ready to role as a rookie.  While I think Murphy is out, you would also have to look at Hughes going too, I don’t see it happening.

Contracts for the D have been set up to work with Allen, the new contracts end with his, so they have the ability to either blow it up and start over if he busts or let a bunch of Vets go to sign him.  With such a huge question mark, it’s tough to go pay big money to another guy, especially when you have to decide on Tre, Dawkins, Milano etc who all will be paid a hefty premium or have to be replaced with pretty high picks. 

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

20 hours ago, MJS said:

 

I'd include linebacker in that underwhelming category. We've got some good starters in Edmunds and Milano and then the rest are replaceable depth. And we lost Alexander.

 

I'm actually happy with our DE signings and the draft pick.

 

I'm also a little higher on Dawson Knox than many, I guess. He looked promising to me even though he had some drops.

Joe Marino, who hosts Locked On Bills, did a great segment on Knox a couple weeks back. Important to remember that he was a former QB that converted to TE and then didn't get a big target share at Ole Miss with a bad QB and all those other weapons. But what was most interesting was that Marino compared the combine performances of Kittle, Kelce, and Ertz against Knox. Kittle and Knox's testing was very similar which surprised me and Knox's results were significantly better vs. Kelce/Ertz. 

 

All the tools are there, it's just that the kid is still a project based on his lack of experience at the position. If Knox can clean up the drops and continue to develop his football IQ, we could be looking at a top 5 TE in the league.

[DrDawkinstein]

12 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Love the talent, but the pick and money isn’t viable on this roster.  They have 5 guys who are all making good money and are good players.  To bring him in, you have to get rid of 2 and give up a premium pick and rely more on Eppenesa to be ready to role as a rookie.  While I think Murphy is out, you would also have to look at Hughes going too, I don’t see it happening.

Contracts for the D have been set up to work with Allen, the new contracts end with his, so they have the ability to either blow it up and start over if he busts or let a bunch of Vets go to sign him.  With such a huge question mark, it’s tough to go pay big money to another guy, especially when you have to decide on Tre, Dawkins, Milano etc who all will be paid a hefty premium or have to be replaced with pretty high picks. 

 

Hughes is un-cuttable.

 

He is a $9.5M hit this year on the roster, but a $11.5M hit if cut. Next year, however, he is $9.5M on the roster and $2M if cut. So bye Jerry. But he's here for 1 more year.

 

Murphy would most likely go. We save $8M cutting him this year.

 

That would make our DEs: Hughes, Ngakoue, Addison, Epenesa. With Ngakoue and AJ ready to take the reins next season. Dont need to rely on AJ too much this year still.

 

We also have the money to sign Ngakoue this year (cutting Murphy) AND still re-sign Dawkins this year and Tre next year. Milano will be a bit of a crap shoot either way, I think.

[dollars 2 donuts]

21 hours ago, PIZ said:

 

You are thinking of Njoku the TE. The poster is talking about Ngakoue the DE.

 

 

 

 

Great...now I can't stop thinking of gnocchi...I'm so hungry. 

[machine gun kelly]

46 minutes ago, Buff76ers said:

Anytime we have a chance to upgrade the roster you need to seriously look into that.  I would seriously doubt the Jags would go for a murphy and 2nd that turns into a 1st but I have been wrong before.  This guy is one of the best and I would trade for him in a sec as long as the price is not too steep. 

Buff, over the same 4 years, Addison had 39 sacks and Ngokue had 37.  Yanni i is demanding $20 mil./yrs. and would need to give away picks.  He’s not worth it.  Addison, Epenesa, Butler, H. Phillips, Jefferson, added to Hughes, and Star is enough.  We most likely move on from Hughes next year, but Epenesa will have a year under his belt, and guess what position will be our #1 pick next year.

[njbuff]

Jerry Hughes is coming off a 3-sack playoff game.

 

We should worry about replacing him NEXT YEAR when he is an UFA.

 

 

[H2o]

22 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Hughes is un-cuttable.

 

He is a $9.5M hit this year on the roster, but a $11.5M hit if cut. Next year, however, he is $9.5M on the roster and $2M if cut. So bye Jerry. But he's here for 1 more year.

 

Murphy would most likely go. We save $8M cutting him this year.

 

That would make our DEs: Hughes, Ngakoue, Addison, Epenesa. With Ngakoue and AJ ready to take the reins next season. Dont need to rely on AJ too much this year still.

 

We also have the money to sign Ngakoue this year (cutting Murphy) AND still re-sign Dawkins this year and Tre next year. Milano will be a bit of a crap shoot either way, I think.

He's not worth the $$$ he thinks he is. We have a few key guys coming up on the end of their rookie deals we need to re-sign. Dawkins, Tre, and Milano. Josh and Edmunds will be up for new deals before you know it. They also have to take into account the possible financial impact of Covid in all of this. If the salary cap goes down next year then we need flexibility to sign these other guys. It's not smart to give up assets for and then have to pay a DE $18,000,000-$20,000,000 per season (even though I think Ngakoue's looking for even more than that).