SCBills Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 6/10/2020 at 10:44 PM, Happy said: Trust me, I have no problem with letting Murphy go, I think that would be preferable. The problem is McDermott and Frazier don't see it that way. I agree that the roster is getting there, though the d-line will need to be addressed again next year with a few players on short term contracts as well as turning 32-33 years old, who are mostly stop gaps. Addison is one of them; I don't get letting Shaq go and bringing in a 32 year old DE, but he's an ex Panther so.... The o-line might also need to have a couple of spots addressed - RT, RG, LG - depending on how this year plays out. Bills are lining up contracts to coincide with when they’ll need that money available to re-sign our young guys. Addison and Hughes both give us, potentially, strong rotational DE’s for the next two years while they restock the EDGE with young, rookie contract talent in the Draft to go with Epenesa. I would’ve been fine re-signing Lawson, but it seems clear the FO wasn’t enamored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I know Murphy played well at the end of the year, but just don’t see them keeping his salary. They will value extending Milano, and Dawkins more with the $. I was listening to NFLR and with a $175 mil. Floor, that’s basically a $45 mil. hit given it would have normally moved up at least another $10 mil. Under normal conditions. Given that, we only have $20 mil. Or just under in space. Dropping Murphy allows us to get at least these two signed. White will have to wait. We already placed the 5th year option on him for 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 12:40 AM, dneveu said: He might end up signing for about that much. There's rumors of the cap going down in 2021 so teams are going to want to carry over more than normal. That cap space we have now might be earmarked for Milano/dawkins/tre. You think so? $7 mill? I really doubt it. I'd guess he'll still get somewhere around $10 - $12 mill. Guess we'll see, though. No way to be sure, you could be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Uncertainty over future salary caps and wanting to re-sign our key players makes me error on the side of caution right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 2:29 AM, auburnbillsbacker said: The Bills have more cap space than the 7 million they would get from cutting those guys. Yes, but again, I believe they want to use that cap to re-sign guys like Milano and Dawkins. I'd put the odds on us getting Clowney at miniscule, for money reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I know Murphy played well at the end of the year, but just don’t see them keeping his salary. They will value extending Milano, and Dawkins more with the $. I was listening to NFLR and with a $175 mil. Floor, that’s basically a $45 mil. hit given it would have normally moved up at least another $10 mil. Under normal conditions. Given that, we only have $20 mil. Or just under in space. Dropping Murphy allows us to get at least these two signed. White will have to wait. We already placed the 5th year option on him for 2021. Bet they let Milano walk, find a cheap replacement in the draft, let someone else overpay and then bring Milano back in a couple years when they cut him. In short, the Belichick method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Bet they let Milano walk, find a cheap replacement in the draft, let someone else overpay and then bring Milano back in a couple years when they cut him. In short, the Belichick method. Seeing as the defense Regresses when Milano is not in the lineup I think that would be a huge mistake, And I don't think your giving him enough credit saying pick him up after he get's cut... I'd say he is playing at a better Level then when Nigal left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, gordong said: Seeing as the defense Regresses when Milano is not in the lineup I think that would be a huge mistake, And I don't think your giving him enough credit saying pick him up after he get's cut... I'd say he is playing at a better Level then when Nigal left. I agree hes better than Bradham and will get a lot more money. The defense regressed so much because he's not being replaced by an equivalent player. It's always either trash or it's Lorenzo Alexander moving into a role he's not suited for. But who was Matt Milano before McDermott and Frazier got him? Just a midround pick nobody wanted. I think they can do that again and save a truckload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Bet they let Milano walk, find a cheap replacement in the draft, let someone else overpay and then bring Milano back in a couple years when they cut him. In short, the Belichick method. I really like Milano and know our defense is better with him on field but I think he has to be odd man out on money. We can't pay everybody 12 million a year and they need to look to pay Josh 30 at least. I also think his best attribute is flat speed and we can replace that easier than the other physical gifts of Tre and Edmunds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Bet they let Milano walk, find a cheap replacement in the draft, let someone else overpay and then bring Milano back in a couple years when they cut him. In short, the Belichick method. I agree with this. Milano is a good player and system fit. He missed a fair amount of tackles and is clearly not worth 14+ mill a year imo. He’s great in coverage but is more of a detriment to the run D. I’d offer him 9-10 and hope it satisfies his minimalistic lifestyle. If he go’s, so be it. We aren’t going to be able to pay everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 10:00 AM, ngbills said: Exactly. Bring him to BUF. I would think he sees this supporting cast and would think he could put up good numbers and play for a good defense setting him up for a big contract somewhere next year. If we bring him in someone would have to be let go , I wonder who that would be ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I don’t why Clowney doesn’t get it over with and sign with TN for $10-11 mil. He’s not going to get anywhere near what he wants, and if he wants to be on a good team, TN is better than a lot of people give them credit. We beat them last year as Marriotta was playing. He may not be great, but Tannehill played better than Marriotta. TN has $24 mil. In cap space and would probably like him at the right price. He’s not worth the garbage he keeps saying he’s worth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 31 minutes ago, Putin said: If we bring him in someone would have to be let go , I wonder who that would be ? ? Murphy for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 hours ago, gordong said: Seeing as the defense Regresses when Milano is not in the lineup I think that would be a huge mistake, And I don't think your giving him enough credit saying pick him up after he get's cut... I'd say he is playing at a better Level then when Nigal left. I think it would be a mistake to let Milano walk too. I think him and Edumonds are one of the best combos in the league and they complement each other well. I wouldn't break the bank for Milano but I would easily give him a good offer. I think depending on how he plays in 2020 I think offering him a deal between 8 to 9.5 million aav is a good idea. No need to overpay but no need to undervalue either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I really like Milano and know our defense is better with him on field but I think he has to be odd man out on money. We can't pay everybody 12 million a year and they need to look to pay Josh 30 at least. I also think his best attribute is flat speed and we can replace that easier than the other physical gifts of Tre and Edmunds. yes. exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I think it would be a mistake to let Milano walk too. I think him and Edumonds are one of the best combos in the league and they complement each other well. I wouldn't break the bank for Milano but I would easily give him a good offer. I think depending on how he plays in 2020 I think offering him a deal between 8 to 9.5 million aav is a good idea. No need to overpay but no need to undervalue either. I agree, if he will sign for that, you bring him back, if somebody is going to give him 10+M a year, so be it. He’s good, not great, and at a position that’s just not going to get huge money once you have to pay everyone else. I would be planning my life around making Tre a priority, so there HAS to be room for him, Dawkins will have to be paid and then you are looking at Allen/Edmunds. Allen is the wild card, if he takes the next step, you are in for 35M/yr, if not, you have to start thinking about possibly using Tre as trade bait, trying to get a couple first rounders for him and be ready to move up for a QB again. Allen’s success this year will be a huge factor in a lot of these deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 15 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I think it would be a mistake to let Milano walk too. I think him and Edumonds are one of the best combos in the league and they complement each other well. I wouldn't break the bank for Milano but I would easily give him a good offer. I think depending on how he plays in 2020 I think offering him a deal between 8 to 9.5 million aav is a good idea. No need to overpay but no need to undervalue either. I think he gets more than that on the market is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Milano could be Talley type, very good player making all others better playing around him. But never to be the over paid superstar. He will never be spectacular...Talley/Hansen. If wants to be over paid...bye bye. As for Clowney he has only proved himself to be a greedy wanta be star. The media anointed him a star, coaches and most GMs have not. The league would not miss him. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 With Star opting out, Buffalo has a massive sum removed from this years cap. I would make a play for Clowney. He is absouletly affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mat68 said: With Star opting out, Buffalo has a massive sum removed from this years cap. I would make a play for Clowney. He is absouletly affordable. Who rots on the bench between Hughes, Addison (who we just paid starting money to), or Epenesa (our top draft pick)? Not sure how losing one of our starting DT's equates to signing a FOURTH starting quality DE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeane Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Who rots on the bench between Hughes, Addison (who we just paid starting money to), or Epenesa (our top draft pick)? Not sure how losing one of our starting DT's equates to signing a FOURTH starting quality DE. McDermott loves his d-lineman. I think they'll make a plan. He'll get creative with the d-line and find a way to get them all involved. Or cut Murphy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Who rots on the bench between Hughes, Addison (who we just paid starting money to), or Epenesa (our top draft pick)? Not sure how losing one of our starting DT's equates to signing a FOURTH starting quality DE. Addison is a backup. Epenesa is a rookie without an offseason. Do they need Clowney? No. Would he improve our defense and pass rush? Yes. Also, I think Buffalo has a chance to win it all. They need to enter the arms race. If it he is a slight upgrade but keeps him off KC, BAL or NE its still worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mat68 said: Addison is a backup. Epenesa is a rookie without an offseason. Seriously? Backup? Over the past 4 years, Addison has had THIRTY NINE sacks! 9.5 just last year and signed to a 3 year, 30 million dollar deal (50% guaranteed). A.J. Epenesa was considered by many to be the 2nd best pass rusher in the entire Draft. A 1st Round talent that Beane loves. The Clowney ship sailed when we signed Addison and made our big splash trading for Stefon Diggs. Double so when we spent our 1st pick on a Epenesa. With Tre White, Dion Dawkins, and Matt Milano needing to be re-signed on the horizon - spending most of our cap space on a 1 year gun for hire - when we're already good at DE... just makes no sense. How about we just sign a space eating DT to replace the space eating DT we lost? Edited July 29, 2020 by BillsFanForever19 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: How about we just sign a space eating DT to replace the space eating DT we lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Seriously? Backup? Over the past 4 years, Addison has had THIRTY NINE sacks! 9.5 just last year and signed to a 3 year, 30 million dollar deal (50% guaranteed). A.J. Epenesa was considered by many to be the 2nd best pass rusher in the entire Draft. A 1st Round talent that Beane loves. The Clowney ship sailed when we signed Addison and made our big splash trading for Stefon Diggs. Double so when we spent our 1st pick on a Epenesa. With Tre White, Dion Dawkins, and Matt Milano needing to be re-signed on the horizon - spending most of our cap space on a 1 year gun for hire - when we're already good at DE... just makes no sense. How about we just sign a space eating DT to replace the space eating DT we lost? Yea but Addison is old as *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Mat68 said: Addison is a backup. Epenesa is a rookie without an offseason. Do they need Clowney? No. Would he improve our defense and pass rush? Yes. Also, I think Buffalo has a chance to win it all. They need to enter the arms race. If it he is a slight upgrade but keeps him off KC, BAL or NE its still worth it. Mat, respectfully, Addison is not a back up. In the last five years, he’s had 46 sacks compared to Clooney’s 27.5. It’s a little harder to evaluate run stuffing, but Clowney is a luxury. We have around $22 mil. After Star opted out which means his salary gets counted against the cap in the next two years. It’s almost certain the cap will go to the floor at $175,000,000 so with a normal $10 mil. Increase, that’s a swing of -$35 mil. I’m not applied math PhD, but with our current surplus we have to shave at least -$13 mil. Add to it the point we need to extend either or both Dawkins and Milano, hopefully both. The following year we have T. White as we already put the 5th year option, and the year after that Allen. I know we’ll lose probably Murphy, Hughes, Kroft, etc. so too complicated to speculate everything, but we have to make the most of our draft picks. All of these decisions make my head hurt to think, but one thing we don’t need is Clowney. We have Addison, Butler, Jefferson, Epenesa, H. Phillips, Murphy and Hughes. That’s enough. I called into NFLR yesterday and discussed how we have 88% of snaps returning and 23 starters before Star, so still tied for first in the NFL. Juxtapose the Pats had 67%, and now with all of those players opting out, they will have the least amt. of snaps from starters returning in the league. Also, all of those contracts are just pushed into the next Two year for the Pats, so they have to use what they gained this year on replacement players, and Hightower and Chung are no joke. With the pushing back of contracts into 2021 and 2022, they either doing a lot of creative contracts, or they are thin on the cap for three years. 13 minutes ago, TBBills said: Yea but Addison is old as *****. TB, Addison hasn’t dropped off at all. He had 9.5 sacks last year, and the year before. Yes, he’s probably a two year solution, but for now it gives us time to draft more DE’s over two years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: He has already eaten the process and dropped it off at the town pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 What is this guy really asking for that he hasn't been signed yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 On 7/29/2020 at 11:52 AM, machine gun kelly said: TB, Addison hasn’t dropped off at all. He had 9.5 sacks last year, and the year before. Yes, he’s probably a two year solution, but for now it gives us time to draft more DE’s over two years. His sack numbers haven't dropped off. The advanced analytics and the eye test tell you he has. His pass rush win % was way down in 2019. He was signed to be a starter. He will start week 1. I am less convinced he will still be a starter by the end of the season. 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: What is this guy really asking for that he hasn't been signed yet? Wants to play for a contender and wants $10m plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: His sack numbers haven't dropped off. The advanced analytics and the eye test tell you he has. His pass rush win % was way down in 2019. He was signed to be a starter. He will start week 1. I am less convinced he will still be a starter by the end of the season. Wants to play for a contender and wants $10m plus. If it's just north of 10 mill, he probably would have signed somewhere by now. It's crazy. Maybe he isn't a fan of playing during COVID, who knows. And for Addison........... the Bills do have choices at DE and I don't think they will asking the moon and the stars from Addison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, njbuff said: If it's just north of 10 mill, he probably would have signed somewhere by now. It's crazy. Maybe he isn't a fan of playing during COVID, who knows. And for Addison........... the Bills do have choices at DE and I don't think they will asking the moon and the stars from Addison. It is the contender bit that is hurting not the money bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 (edited) He suffers from Financial Hesitation Problems..... FHP, its really bad stuff - Hard PASS 48 .. Edited August 18, 2020 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NoSaint Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 On 7/28/2020 at 9:29 PM, Mat68 said: Addison is a backup. Epenesa is a rookie without an offseason. Do they need Clowney? No. Would he improve our defense and pass rush? Yes. Also, I think Buffalo has a chance to win it all. They need to enter the arms race. If it he is a slight upgrade but keeps him off KC, BAL or NE its still worth it. Clowney can also slide inside or play with his hand off the ground which would give the rotation flexibility I don’t think it’s being considered nor am I advocating it here but it’s not insane either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Clowney can also slide inside or play with his hand off the ground which would give the rotation flexibility I don’t think it’s being considered nor am I advocating it here but it’s not insane either Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 At this point teams have to be wondering if Clowney even cares about playing football. The longer he isnt signed, the lower the dollar amount goes. Its gone from being a sellers market to a buyers market for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Clowney has about as much chance to come to Buffalo as Marcel Dareus does 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, JohnNord said: Clowney has about as much chance to come to Buffalo as Marcel Dareus does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, JohnNord said: Clowney has about as much chance to come to Buffalo as Marcel Dareus does Why? Dareus I agree has no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, JohnNord said: Clowney has about as much chance to come to Buffalo as Marcel Dareus does Agreed. Can’t believe we are still talking about Clowney for two full off seasons because some unsubstantiated twitter rumors 18 months ago. If he was coming to Buffalo, he would already be here and we wouldn’t have signed two good DE’s and drafted a stud prospect. People need to move on. Clowney ain’t coming to Buffalo this year and Tupac ain’t making a resurrection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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