Rc2catch Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: his blocking is awful, hopefully he focuses on that and the drops this offseason. Sweeney seems promising also. Croom... meh Kroft- about the same as croom to me something mentioned about Sweeney Around the draft was he has quick hands and makes tough catches. Cowher liked him as I recall. hoping he makes the jump in year 2. I went back to look, the draft profile I seen on him was great hands, solid blocker, just not very athletic. I remember the blocking now why it stuck in my head. “Power At POA - He's pretty stout. Handed one on ones against some notable defenders (Ferrell) with effectiveness and admirable anchor. Comes off the ball hard and does well to use his hands to create a stun. Runs the feet through contact and offers enough power to push DEs” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I see people assuming we’ll keep him and that we’re kind of set at TE. I’d like to understand the Tyler Kroft love - what do people see in him that’s promising? He kind of had an uninspiring college career at Rutgers. He backed up Tyler Eifert with the Bengals, did some good stuff in 2017 after Eifert got hurt, then broke his own foot in 2018 and again in 2019 off-season. So he kind of had one good year in 2017. When given a chance to “show out” this season, he’s seeemd decidedly “meh” to me. What am I missing? Explain the Kroft love to me. I don’t know that assuming he’s on the roster is loving him they could target a TE in free agency before his bonus/guarantees. On their list to address its low-ish priority but a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What am I missing? Nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Probably one of the biggest free agent busts we have ever signed can anybody think of someone worse You forget about Derrick Dockery or Langston Walker? Edited January 13, 2020 by Real McNasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I never liked the pickup and hated that he was taking snaps from our talented rookies...then when I think of the feeling of clinching week 15 and the first 10 win season since the 1990s I see Kroft springing free into the end zone Sunday night v. the Steelers. Totally different feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Kroft was in my opinion the worst signing of the 2019 off-season (although the off-season was mostly littered with great signings.) Even factoring out the fact that he got hurt I would still say they overpaid for a backup TE with moderate upside. In my opinion Kroft is as good as gone in 2020 as he is set to make 6.5 million and if cut saves 5 million on the cap. Yes the Bills cap isn't an issue but if you sign Spain, Phillips and Shaq to deal (even 2 out of the 3) that 89 million in cap space will go down significantly esp if this team wants to preserve 30-40 million in roll over cash. This team could seriously use that 5 million in space if they intend to resign 2-3 of their free agents and desire roll over space. I don't see any value Kroft provides at 6.5 million, I would much rather just cut him and sign Hunter Henry or another vet TE to a one year deal to allow Knox to develop a bit more. 3 hours ago, T master said: Seeing as they have their 2 TE's they got in last years draft & they have Croom coming back i would use him to get more draft capital from a team like the Fins or another tea in need of decent players & use the money they save towards another FA vet or to sign their own . I hate that that Kroft was dealt the cards he was this year but just from what we saw while he was out with the 2 young guys then having Smith as the vet in the room i hope they move on & give him the chance to be some where else & develop what they have in house for the future !! I don't see any team trading for Kroft esp at a 6.5 million dollar cap hit. I think the Bills options are cut him and take 1.5 million in dead cap (but save 5 million overall) or keep him at a 6.5 million dollar cap hit. Personally I cut him and save the space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) Quote “Power At POA - He's pretty stout. Handed one on ones against some notable defenders (Ferrell) with effectiveness and admirable anchor. Comes off the ball hard and does well to use his hands to create a stun. Runs the feet through contact and offers enough power to push DEs” “Create a stun.” There is no end to the re-inventing of football terminology in order to look like you have something important to say and know what you’re talking about. Scouts crack me up. Edited January 13, 2020 by K-9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Agreed Mark on the second part. I don’t know what they are thinking for a third pick whether in free agency or the draft. Very rarely does a top flight TE come available in FA. That is true, although Austin Hooper looks like a very talented player. I just wonder if Beane & McDermott are looking to upgrade at this area. Knox has great potential and could become the starter next season. Do they really want to cut Kroft? Tough to say. He's not hurting the team with his contract, but his play was minimal, they can save some good money by releasing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: By the time he got on the field this season he looked - how do I say it - fat. I don’t think he was ever in shape this year, likely because of the injury. That’s not an excuse by the way. I’d certainly cut bait this offseason. I think this is right. 2019 was not a true showing of who he is but that is the NFL sometimes you don't get the breaks (no pun intended). His chance here was this year while two rooks developed behind him. It passed him by because of injury. I expect him to be gone. I do expect Lee Smith still to be here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I am agnostic on keeping him. If you can improve, then do it. If you want to focus on higher impact areas, he provides average production if healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I would renegotiate Kroft contract for vet min with good incentives , or else release him. 6 rec for 71 yds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: The tough thing about evaluating TE's when you're a fan is that we're ignorant of a big part of their game. We focus on the catches & drops but without access to game film or how a play is supposed to be blocked we're in the dark about the total package a TE brings to the table. We all want to see Kelsey but in this offense that may not even be possible based on the scheme. With respect to Kroft I suspect his blocking is quite good. Ditto for Smith. And given a full training camp & preseason to work with Allen his pass catching contribution should go up. I get that it would be risky to stand pat at TE but of all the position groups on the offense this is the one I would take that risk on. A fully healthy Kroft will contribute more next season in the passing game and I have two rookies who showed great promise. It's reasonable to assume that Knox & Sweeny will be much better next year. I can see the TE's getting better from this year to next year. But NOTHING can be done to make Beasley 6 inches taller or knock 10 years off Gore. I am not sure why you would bank on Kroft being "fully healthy" or that he would be available for 100% of the preseason prep. His immediate past suggests nothing of the sort and I have to wonder if the only reason he hasn't been hurt again is that he hasn't played much. Generally I don't buy the "injury prone" thing but Kroft may make a believer out of me yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: his blocking is awful, hopefully he focuses on that and the drops this offseason. Sweeney seems promising also. Croom... meh Kroft- about the same as croom to me something mentioned about Sweeney Around the draft was he has quick hands and makes tough catches. Cowher liked him as I recall. hoping he makes the jump in year 2. Rookie TE'S typically don't come in perfect. It's one of the hardest positions in football to adapt to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) Honestly, I don’t think I witnessed any Tyler Kroft love on these boards. Edited January 13, 2020 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Who has been showing Kroft love? I don't recall there being any sort of love, the most optimistic thing that I have read here about him is that he has some potential and would be willing to give him a shot for next year and that is nowhere near the majority of the views that I've read about him. I'd say the few opinions that have been offered about him usually go something like: "Cut him next year, that will save $$ for the cap" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I see people assuming we’ll keep him and that we’re kind of set at TE. I’d like to understand the Tyler Kroft love - what do people see in him that’s promising? He kind of had an uninspiring college career at Rutgers. He backed up Tyler Eifert with the Bengals, did some good stuff in 2017 after Eifert got hurt, then broke his own foot in 2018 and again in 2019 off-season. So he kind of had one good year in 2017. When given a chance to “show out” this season, he’s seeemd decidedly “meh” to me. What am I missing? Explain the Kroft love to me. I wish I could!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Kroft deserves at least 1 more season with buffalo. Was out the entire pre season and a good chunk of the regular season. Give him a full year with Allen and then let's see after next season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 What love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I think Knox and Sweeney showed enough to replace him. Maybe Kroft is solid if healthy, but I can’t see him being worth his salary. Knox maybe. Sweeney was inactive most weeks until he played in the meaningless game vs the Jets. I think the coaches take Kroft over Sweeney all day. Edited January 14, 2020 by Nick the Greek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 no love here. He ate money and had no production. We need an upgrade. If we got Henry or Hooper I'd be very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 20 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'm pretty sure they'll cut him and go for a cheaper veteran. I don’t want them to cut him and go for a cheaper veteran. I want them to bring in a very high quality TE. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Nick the Greek said: Knox maybe. Sweeney was inactive most weeks until he played in the meaningless game vs the Jets. I think the coaches take Kroft over Sweeney all day. Sweeney also looked good in pre-season and the first several weeks of the season when both our other guys were banged up. Less polished than Kroft right now, but seems like he has really good upside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I checked with Tylerkroftlove.com ... and, nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, BillsRdue said: no love here. He ate money and had no production. We need an upgrade. If we got Henry or Hooper I'd be very happy. ….just a wild guess....bet if McBeane knew he'd land Sweeney & Knox in the draft, Kroft signing doesn't happen...……….will be interesting to see what happens with Croom....he's a 2020 ERFA...……..can't see both Croom and Kroft being here...... Edited January 14, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 20 hours ago, Steptide said: Kroft deserves at least 1 more season with buffalo. Was out the entire pre season and a good chunk of the regular season. Give him a full year with Allen and then let's see after next season This is what I’m talking about. What have you seen from Tyler Kroft on the field with the Bills this season, or what have you seen in his previous seasons with the Bengals, that leads you to say he deserves at least 1 more season with Buffalo? Open question, looking for explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is what I’m talking about. What have you seen from Tyler Kroft on the field with the Bills this season, or what have you seen in his previous seasons with the Bengals, that leads you to say he deserves at least 1 more season with Buffalo? Open question, looking for explanation. He scored the winning TD against the Steelers. He has some good size to him and a half way decent blocker. Is he a #1 TE not in my opinion so rather see us nab Hunter Henry and cut Kroft but time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 18 hours ago, Pete said: What love? See above. People who feel he deserves 1 more season with us, or that we’re set at TE with Kroft, Dawson “Could be great if I Stop Whiffing on Game-changing Blocks and Catch stuff that hits my hands” Knox, and Tommy Sweeney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is what I’m talking about. What have you seen from Tyler Kroft on the field with the Bills this season, or what have you seen in his previous seasons with the Bengals, that leads you to say he deserves at least 1 more season with Buffalo? Open question, looking for explanation. Not much aside from the flashes he has shown earlier in his career. I think more than anything it's a matter of having him hopefully have one injury free year, time to form an on-the-field bond with Allen and the hopes would be to have 2 above average in mobility terms TE working together along with Sweeney who I happen to believe will be a decent TE in this league. The Bills won't be in a salary cap crunch next year and my hunch is that they believe they will try to roll with him another year before they cut bait. Unless of course he either A) does poorly in camp or B) gets injured Which are both possibilities. But no need to rush a decision until they get through another camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Magox said: Not much aside from the flashes he has shown earlier in his career. I think more than anything it's a matter of having him hopefully have one injury free year, time to form an on-the-field bond with Allen and the hopes would be to have 2 above average in mobility terms TE working together along with Sweeney who I happen to believe will be a decent TE in this league. The Bills won't be in a salary cap crunch next year and my hunch is that they believe they will try to roll with him another year before they cut bait. Unless of course he either A) does poorly in camp or B) gets injured Which are both possibilities. But no need to rush a decision until they get through another camp. I have no problem with “wait and see what he brings to camp” for Kroft, depending upon his injury guarantees. The roster bonus he’s due, NBD. I guess what I’m really wondering about is whether we’re truly set at TE. Kittle, Kelce, and the Baltimore 3-headed-dragon at TE show how much a strong TE can help a young QB. Whether we hang onto Kroft through camp or not, do we try to upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I have no problem with “wait and see what he brings to camp” for Kroft, depending upon his injury guarantees. The roster bonus he’s due, NBD. I guess what I’m really wondering about is whether we’re truly set at TE. Kittle, Kelce, and the Baltimore 3-headed-dragon at TE show how much a strong TE can help a young QB. Whether we hang onto Kroft through camp or not, do we try to upgrade? YES. We have a lot of “maybe’s”, and no sure fire stud. I’d love to see them find a guy you could count on to make the play when we need it. Based upon the contract, it seems they thought Kroft could be that guy. We still haven’t seen that, so we keep looking until we know we have a #1 TE plus some quality depth guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 18 hours ago, Nick the Greek said: Knox maybe. Sweeney was inactive most weeks until he played in the meaningless game vs the Jets. I think the coaches take Kroft over Sweeney all day. Not when you factor in the cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I have no problem with “wait and see what he brings to camp” for Kroft, depending upon his injury guarantees. The roster bonus he’s due, NBD. I guess what I’m really wondering about is whether we’re truly set at TE. Kittle, Kelce, and the Baltimore 3-headed-dragon at TE show how much a strong TE can help a young QB. Whether we hang onto Kroft through camp or not, do we try to upgrade? I think there is a need to do so, YET. I think there is a good rational case to be made that there are 4 elements at play here that could very well lead to better TE play than what we saw this past year. 1) Knox should see a nice year 2 jump, he has plenty of potential, has shown to be a good blocker who has good speed with good YAC potential. Very excited to see what a 2nd year with him has in store. 2) Sweeney. Similar, he's a decent blocker and much more mobile than Lee Smith. I think he is the logical choice to replace him. He will have a 2nd year in the system to improve on all fronts and it seemed like to me that he has a good bond with Allen. I think he could end up being a good TE for the team. 3) Kroft, was injured through part of training camp and all pre season. Never had a chance to form that on-the-field bond with Allen and if he can show what he's capable of that would give 2 very mobile TE's and one semi mobile one in Sweeney. 4) Allen - having another year in the system to have better rapport with these TE's. I think there is a good chance that our TE play will be better next year than this past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is what I’m talking about. What have you seen from Tyler Kroft on the field with the Bills this season, or what have you seen in his previous seasons with the Bengals, that leads you to say he deserves at least 1 more season with Buffalo? Open question, looking for explanation. There you go! You found one! I was beginning to think you made the entire Kroft love thing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 If Kroft had anything to offer he would have been giving it when he came back healthy. I would rather give the reps to our young guys UNLESS we bring in a HUGE upgrade in talent TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdand12 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 12:52 AM, Chandler#81 said: Not feeling the love here, either. Having already dumped Clay and ahead of the Draft, McB jumped on him early in FA because he’s a vet and was available with our TE cupboard completely bare. Not the case this offseason. For him to stick around, he’s gonna have to take a page from the Croom Manuscript and charm Jessica P into dating him. Simple as this. Did he make a case for keeping him another season? Well starting out injured, and then Bills seem to give him low snap counts as if he was behind on the mental bits(?) guessing here ) He really never stood out, or looked to be 110% I saw enough of his errors unfortunately. Not worth the money, was worth the risk at the time. Definitely definitely could upgrade his position. Two ways Less money , better or equal player via draft. Better player than the whole bunch via FA/trade. I have faith in Knox and then Sweeney to both improve noticeably next season. Kroft if not injured might be all you can get from him. Not Enough imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 11:09 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'm pretty sure they'll cut him and go for a cheaper veteran. Can’t believe he makes more then Cole Beasley 23 hours ago, BillsRdue said: no love here. He ate money and had no production. We need an upgrade. If we got Henry or Hooper I'd be very happy. From your mouth to God ? please ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 12:14 PM, Rc2catch said: I can understand both sides of things. I don’t take issue with most of the talk only the select few who just say “he sucks get rid of him” He served his purpose for the most part and they liked what Knox was doing as a receiver so they didn’t need to use kroft ( that can be debated on the short 3rd and shorts Gore was continuously stuffed on) I think it would be wise to at least hold onto Kroft until preseason at minimum cause he does have some trade value if teams like the bears are injury stricken again or maybe Olsen in Carolina retires and they need more depth etc etc Worst case scenario we get an injury and at least he’s there if needed. His salary really doesn’t hurt the ability to sign anyone or limit what the team can do financially. Lee smith having a job next year is more concerning to me than Kroft, Sweeney’s blocking cannot be that much worse than smiths when you factor in the penalties and then bump his receiver value as well. I could be wrong but I was under the impression at draft Sweeney was a heck of a blocker and not much in the receiving game. But maybe I’m mistaken it’s been awhile since I paid attention to him I think it was Knox was the blocker. and Sweeney at least adequate. agreed about seeing if Kroft can show up at Camp and preseason. he might have just been another for Veteran presence at the end of the day. Smith will be a tell as to what Bills Offense want to look like next year On 1/13/2020 at 7:34 PM, Nick the Greek said: Knox maybe. Sweeney was inactive most weeks until he played in the meaningless game vs the Jets. I think the coaches take Kroft over Sweeney all day. He played early on while Kroft was injured if you recall He did alright and held his own. Some very nice catches actually. Could not keep Kroft on the bench once healthy enough. and Sweeney needs more time, as does Knox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I love Tyler Kroft. And by love, I mean I think Kroft is a decent #2 TE & I'd keep him around if we can't sign someone better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I have no problem with “wait and see what he brings to camp” for Kroft, depending upon his injury guarantees. The roster bonus he’s due, NBD. I guess what I’m really wondering about is whether we’re truly set at TE. Kittle, Kelce, and the Baltimore 3-headed-dragon at TE show how much a strong TE can help a young QB. Whether we hang onto Kroft through camp or not, do we try to upgrade? After watching the Ravens play us? hell no. and i think Daboll agrees Edited January 15, 2020 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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