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Seeing as they have their 2 TE's they got in last years draft & they have Croom coming back i would use him to get more draft capital from a team like the Fins or another tea in need of decent players & use the money they save towards another FA vet or to sign their own .

 

I hate that that Kroft was dealt the cards he was this year but just from what we saw while he was out with the 2 young guys then having Smith as the vet in the room i hope they move on & give him the chance to be some where else & develop what they have in house for the future !! 

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I'm not sure where the OP is seeing the overall "love" for Kroft here.  I think I'm in the majority here with an overwhelming sense of apathy towards him, at best.  If he could stay healthy and ball out, I'd want him to stay.  But we have Knox now so I'm like...meh.

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11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I see people assuming we’ll keep him and that we’re kind of set at TE.

 

I’d like to understand the Tyler Kroft love - what do people see in him that’s promising?

 

He kind of had an uninspiring college career at Rutgers.  He backed up Tyler Eifert with the Bengals, did some good stuff in 2017 after Eifert got hurt, then broke his own foot in 2018 and again in 2019 off-season.

 

So he kind of had one good year in 2017.  When given a chance to “show out” this season, he’s seeemd decidedly “meh” to me.

 

What am I missing?  Explain the Kroft love to me.

His name is Tyler, and people are confused about which Tyler he is. 

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11 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why not? All 3 of our young TES have shown promise, don't forget Croom. There is no reason to spend a lot at TE. Develop your own. 

 

Knox had a very good year by rookie TE standards. He reminds me a lot of young George Kittle. 

 

 

 

 

I agree Knox had a good rookie year.  His numbers compare favorably to Kittle, Rudolph, etc's rookie years.  That said, I would spend to bring in a guy like Hooper or Henry.  The mismatch potential with Knox and Hooper/Henry is insane.  And TE's are a young QB's friend.  That also gives Allen another "big" receiver. 

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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Kroft saw his playing time drop from 40-50% immediately after he came back, to <30%.  26% in Houston loss.

 

I don’t know how many of those targets were catchable balls, but 6/14 is not good.

 

I can understand both sides of things. I don’t take issue with most of the talk only the select few who just say “he sucks get rid of him” 

He served his purpose for the most part and they liked what Knox was doing as a receiver so they didn’t need to use kroft ( that can be debated on the short 3rd and shorts Gore was continuously stuffed on) 


I think it would be wise to at least hold onto Kroft until preseason at minimum cause he does have some trade value if teams like the bears are injury stricken again or maybe Olsen in Carolina retires and they need more depth etc etc 

Worst case scenario we get an injury and at least he’s there if needed. 
His salary really doesn’t hurt the ability to sign anyone or limit what the team can do financially. 
 

Lee smith having a job next year is more concerning to me than Kroft, Sweeney’s blocking cannot be that much worse than smiths when you factor in the penalties and then bump his receiver value as well. 
I could be wrong but I was under the impression at draft Sweeney was a heck of a blocker and not much in the receiving game. But maybe I’m mistaken it’s been awhile since I paid attention to him 

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This is a point missing post. I would agree that we should be able to trim a TE from the roster but I would start with the most penalized TE who plays such a low percentage of snaps, Mr. Lee Smith.

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3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

This ridiculous organizational loyalty for certain underperforming players is getting tired. Belichick recognizes a bad player Immediately and cuts him. We do just the opposite. 

Well, he still has the ghost of Tom Brady playing QB over there. 

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12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why not? All 3 of our young TES have shown promise, don't forget Croom. There is no reason to spend a lot at TE. Develop your own. 

 

Knox had a very good year by rookie TE standards. He reminds me a lot of young George Kittle. 

 

 

 


his blocking is awful, hopefully he focuses on that and the drops this offseason.

 

Sweeney seems promising also. 
 

Croom... meh

 

Kroft- about the same as croom to me

58 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I can understand both sides of things. I don’t take issue with most of the talk only the select few who just say “he sucks get rid of him” 

He served his purpose for the most part and they liked what Knox was doing as a receiver so they didn’t need to use kroft ( that can be debated on the short 3rd and shorts Gore was continuously stuffed on) 


I think it would be wise to at least hold onto Kroft until preseason at minimum cause he does have some trade value if teams like the bears are injury stricken again or maybe Olsen in Carolina retires and they need more depth etc etc 

Worst case scenario we get an injury and at least he’s there if needed. 
His salary really doesn’t hurt the ability to sign anyone or limit what the team can do financially. 
 

Lee smith having a job next year is more concerning to me than Kroft, Sweeney’s blocking cannot be that much worse than smiths when you factor in the penalties and then bump his receiver value as well. 
I could be wrong but I was under the impression at draft Sweeney was a heck of a blocker and not much in the receiving game. But maybe I’m mistaken it’s been awhile since I paid attention to him 


something mentioned about Sweeney Around the draft was he has quick hands and makes tough catches.

 

Cowher liked him as I recall. 
 

hoping he makes the jump in year 2. 

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I too get the sense that the coaching staff is less bothered by Kroft's presence than we are. The emergence of Knox helped to cushion the blow that Kroft's disappointing season provided. I have a feeling that he will be given another year in the system, given the injury situation early on. Also, he did sign a relatively hefty contract last season with a signing bonus -- so the cap ramifications for cutting him may actually outweigh the cost (at least in cap terms of keeping him in 2020). I know our cap situation is strong -- but still...

 

Lee Smith has to be the goner. That should open the way for more playing time for Sweeney -- and vacate a roster spot for another TE. I do not expect that spot to be filled by someone like Hooper or Henry though. More likely another journeyman or mid-round draft prospect.

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5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


his blocking is awful, hopefully he focuses on that and the drops this offseason.

 

Sweeney seems promising also. 
 

Croom... meh

 

Kroft- about the same as croom to me


something mentioned about Sweeney Around the draft was he has quick hands and makes tough catches.

 

Cowher liked him as I recall. 
 

hoping he makes the jump in year 2. 

I went back to look, the draft profile I seen on him was great hands, solid blocker, just not very athletic. 
I remember the blocking now why it stuck in my head. 
 

Power At POA - He's pretty stout. Handed one on ones against some notable defenders (Ferrell) with effectiveness and admirable anchor. Comes off the ball hard and does well to use his hands to create a stun. Runs the feet through contact and offers enough power to push DEs” 

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13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I see people assuming we’ll keep him and that we’re kind of set at TE.

 

I’d like to understand the Tyler Kroft love - what do people see in him that’s promising?

 

He kind of had an uninspiring college career at Rutgers.  He backed up Tyler Eifert with the Bengals, did some good stuff in 2017 after Eifert got hurt, then broke his own foot in 2018 and again in 2019 off-season.

 

So he kind of had one good year in 2017.  When given a chance to “show out” this season, he’s seeemd decidedly “meh” to me.

 

What am I missing?  Explain the Kroft love to me.


I don’t know that assuming he’s on the roster is loving him

 

they could target a TE in free agency before his bonus/guarantees. On their list to address its low-ish priority but a possibility.

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13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

What am I missing? 

 

Nothing...

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4 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Probably one of the biggest free agent busts we have ever signed can anybody think of someone worse

You forget about Derrick Dockery or Langston Walker?

 

 

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I never liked the pickup and hated that he was taking snaps from our talented rookies...then when I think of the feeling of clinching week 15 and the first 10 win season since the 1990s I see Kroft springing free into the end zone Sunday night v. the Steelers.  Totally different feel.  

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Kroft was in my opinion the worst signing of the 2019 off-season (although the off-season was mostly littered with great signings.) Even factoring out the fact that he got hurt I would still say they overpaid for a backup TE with moderate upside. In my opinion Kroft is as good as gone in 2020 as he is set to make 6.5 million and if cut saves 5 million on the cap. Yes the Bills cap isn't an issue but if you sign Spain, Phillips and Shaq to deal (even 2 out of the 3) that 89 million in cap space will go down significantly esp if this team wants to preserve 30-40 million in roll over cash. 

 

This team could seriously use that 5 million in space if they intend to resign 2-3 of their free agents and desire roll over space. I don't see any value Kroft provides at 6.5 million, I would much rather just cut him and sign Hunter Henry or another vet TE to a one year deal to allow Knox to develop a bit more. 

3 hours ago, T master said:

Seeing as they have their 2 TE's they got in last years draft & they have Croom coming back i would use him to get more draft capital from a team like the Fins or another tea in need of decent players & use the money they save towards another FA vet or to sign their own .

 

I hate that that Kroft was dealt the cards he was this year but just from what we saw while he was out with the 2 young guys then having Smith as the vet in the room i hope they move on & give him the chance to be some where else & develop what they have in house for the future !! 

 

I don't see any team trading for Kroft esp at a 6.5 million dollar cap hit. I think the Bills options are cut him and take 1.5 million in dead cap (but save 5 million overall) or keep him at a 6.5 million dollar cap hit. Personally I cut him and save the space. 

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Power At POA - He's pretty stout. Handed one on ones against some notable defenders (Ferrell) with effectiveness and admirable anchor. Comes off the ball hard and does well to use his hands to create a stun. Runs the feet through contact and offers enough power to push DEs” 

 

“Create a stun.” 
 

There is no end to the re-inventing of football terminology in order to look like you have something important to say and know what you’re talking about. Scouts crack me up.

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8 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:


Agreed Mark on the second part.  I don’t know what they are thinking for a third pick whether in free agency or the draft.  Very rarely does a top flight TE come available in FA.

That is true, although Austin Hooper looks like a very talented player.

 

I just wonder if  Beane & McDermott are looking to upgrade at this area. Knox has great potential and could become the starter next season.

 

Do they really want to cut Kroft? Tough to say. He's not hurting the team with his contract, but his play was minimal, they can save some good money by releasing him.

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5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

By the time he got on the field this season he looked - how do I say it - fat.  I don’t think he was ever in shape this year, likely because of the injury.  That’s not an excuse by the way.  I’d certainly cut bait this offseason.

 

I think this is right. 2019 was not a true showing of who he is but that is the NFL sometimes you don't get the breaks (no pun intended). His chance here was this year while two rooks developed behind him. It passed him by because of injury. 

 

I expect him to be gone. I do expect Lee Smith still to be here though. 

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I am agnostic on keeping him.  If you can improve,  then do it.  If you want to focus on higher impact areas, he provides average production if healthy. 

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I would renegotiate Kroft contract for vet min with good incentives , or else release him.   6 rec  for 71 yds

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5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The tough thing about evaluating TE's when you're a fan is that we're ignorant of a big part of their game.  We focus on the catches & drops but without access to game film or how a play is supposed to be blocked we're in the dark about the total package a TE brings to the table.  We all want to see Kelsey but in this offense that may not even be possible based on the scheme.

 

With respect to Kroft I suspect his blocking is quite good.  Ditto for Smith.  And given a full training camp & preseason to work with Allen his pass catching contribution should go up.

 

I get that it would be risky to stand pat at TE but of all the position groups on the offense this is the one I would take that risk on.  A fully healthy Kroft will contribute more next season in the passing game and I have two rookies who showed great promise.  It's reasonable to assume that Knox & Sweeny will be much better next year.  I can see the TE's getting better from this year to next year.  But NOTHING can be done to make Beasley 6 inches taller or knock 10 years off Gore. 

 

 

 

I am not sure why you would bank on Kroft being "fully healthy" or that he would be available for 100% of the preseason prep. His immediate past suggests nothing of the sort and I have to wonder if the only reason he hasn't been hurt again is that he hasn't played much. Generally I don't buy the "injury prone" thing but Kroft may make a believer out of me yet. 

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2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


his blocking is awful, hopefully he focuses on that and the drops this offseason.

 

Sweeney seems promising also. 
 

Croom... meh

 

Kroft- about the same as croom to me


something mentioned about Sweeney Around the draft was he has quick hands and makes tough catches.

 

Cowher liked him as I recall. 
 

hoping he makes the jump in year 2. 

Rookie TE'S typically don't come in perfect. It's one of the hardest positions in football to adapt to.

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Who has been showing Kroft love?  I don't recall there being any sort of love, the most optimistic thing that I have read here about him is that he has some potential and would be willing to give him a shot for next year and that is nowhere near the majority of the views that I've read about him.  I'd say the few opinions that have been offered about him usually go something like:

 

"Cut him next year, that will save $$ for the cap"

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15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I see people assuming we’ll keep him and that we’re kind of set at TE.

 

I’d like to understand the Tyler Kroft love - what do people see in him that’s promising?

 

He kind of had an uninspiring college career at Rutgers.  He backed up Tyler Eifert with the Bengals, did some good stuff in 2017 after Eifert got hurt, then broke his own foot in 2018 and again in 2019 off-season.

 

So he kind of had one good year in 2017.  When given a chance to “show out” this season, he’s seeemd decidedly “meh” to me.

 

What am I missing?  Explain the Kroft love to me.

I wish I could!!

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