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Can someone explain the Tyler Kroft love to me?

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Kroft deserves at least 1 more season with buffalo. Was out the entire pre season and a good chunk of the regular season. Give him a full year with Allen and then let's see after next season 

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What love?

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19 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I think Knox and Sweeney showed enough to replace him. Maybe Kroft is solid if healthy, but I can’t see him being worth his salary. 

Knox maybe. 
 

Sweeney was inactive most weeks until he played in the meaningless game vs the Jets. 
 

I think the coaches take Kroft over Sweeney all day. 

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no love here. He ate money and had no production. We need an upgrade. If we got Henry or Hooper I'd be very happy.

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20 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I'm pretty sure they'll cut him and go for a cheaper veteran.

 

I don’t want them to cut him and go for a cheaper veteran.  I want them to bring in a very high quality TE.

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1 hour ago, Nick the Greek said:

Knox maybe. 
 

Sweeney was inactive most weeks until he played in the meaningless game vs the Jets. 
 

I think the coaches take Kroft over Sweeney all day. 


Sweeney also looked good in pre-season and the first several weeks of the season when both our other guys were banged up. 
 

Less polished than Kroft right now, but seems like he has really good upside. 

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17 hours ago, BillsRdue said:

no love here. He ate money and had no production. We need an upgrade. If we got Henry or Hooper I'd be very happy.

 

….just a wild guess....bet if McBeane knew he'd land Sweeney & Knox in the draft, Kroft signing doesn't happen...……….will be interesting to see what happens with Croom....he's a 2020 ERFA...……..can't see both Croom and Kroft being here......

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20 hours ago, Steptide said:

Kroft deserves at least 1 more season with buffalo. Was out the entire pre season and a good chunk of the regular season. Give him a full year with Allen and then let's see after next season 

 

This is what I’m talking about.  What have you seen from Tyler Kroft on the field with the Bills this season, or what have you seen in his previous seasons with the Bengals, that leads you to say he deserves at least 1 more season with Buffalo?

 

Open question, looking for explanation.

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This is what I’m talking about.  What have you seen from Tyler Kroft on the field with the Bills this season, or what have you seen in his previous seasons with the Bengals, that leads you to say he deserves at least 1 more season with Buffalo?

 

Open question, looking for explanation.

He scored the winning TD against the Steelers. He has some good size to him and a half way decent blocker. Is he a #1 TE not in my opinion so rather see us nab Hunter Henry and cut Kroft but time will tell. 

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18 hours ago, Pete said:

What love?

 

See above.  People who feel he deserves 1 more season with us, or that we’re set at TE with Kroft, Dawson “Could be great if I Stop Whiffing on Game-changing Blocks and Catch stuff that hits my hands” Knox, and Tommy Sweeney.

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12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This is what I’m talking about.  What have you seen from Tyler Kroft on the field with the Bills this season, or what have you seen in his previous seasons with the Bengals, that leads you to say he deserves at least 1 more season with Buffalo?

 

Open question, looking for explanation.

 

Not much aside from the flashes he has shown earlier in his career.  I think more than anything it's a matter of having him hopefully have one injury free year, time to form an on-the-field bond with Allen and the hopes would be to have 2 above average in mobility terms TE working together along with Sweeney who I happen to believe will be a decent TE in this league.  The Bills won't be in a salary cap crunch next year and my hunch is that they believe they will try to roll with him another year before they cut bait.

 

Unless of course he either A) does poorly in camp or B) gets injured

 

Which are both possibilities.  But no need to rush a decision until they get through another camp.

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4 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Not much aside from the flashes he has shown earlier in his career.  I think more than anything it's a matter of having him hopefully have one injury free year, time to form an on-the-field bond with Allen and the hopes would be to have 2 above average in mobility terms TE working together along with Sweeney who I happen to believe will be a decent TE in this league.  The Bills won't be in a salary cap crunch next year and my hunch is that they believe they will try to roll with him another year before they cut bait.

 

Unless of course he either A) does poorly in camp or B) gets injured

 

Which are both possibilities.  But no need to rush a decision until they get through another camp.

 

I have no problem with “wait and see what he brings to camp” for Kroft, depending upon his injury guarantees.  The roster bonus he’s due, NBD.

 

I guess what I’m really wondering about is whether we’re truly set at TE.  Kittle, Kelce, and the Baltimore 3-headed-dragon at TE show how much a strong TE can help a young QB.  Whether we hang onto Kroft through camp or not, do we try to upgrade?

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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have no problem with “wait and see what he brings to camp” for Kroft, depending upon his injury guarantees.  The roster bonus he’s due, NBD.

 

I guess what I’m really wondering about is whether we’re truly set at TE.  Kittle, Kelce, and the Baltimore 3-headed-dragon at TE show how much a strong TE can help a young QB.  Whether we hang onto Kroft through camp or not, do we try to upgrade?

 

YES. 

 

We have a lot of “maybe’s”, and no sure fire stud. I’d love to see them find a guy you could count on to make the play when we need it. Based upon the contract, it seems they thought Kroft could be that guy. We still haven’t seen that, so we keep looking until we know we have a #1 TE plus some quality depth guys. 

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18 hours ago, Nick the Greek said:

Knox maybe. 
 

Sweeney was inactive most weeks until he played in the meaningless game vs the Jets. 
 

I think the coaches take Kroft over Sweeney all day. 

Not when you factor in the cost

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26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have no problem with “wait and see what he brings to camp” for Kroft, depending upon his injury guarantees.  The roster bonus he’s due, NBD.

 

I guess what I’m really wondering about is whether we’re truly set at TE.  Kittle, Kelce, and the Baltimore 3-headed-dragon at TE show how much a strong TE can help a young QB.  Whether we hang onto Kroft through camp or not, do we try to upgrade?

 

 

I think there is a need to do so, YET.

 

I think there is a good rational case to be made that there are 4 elements at play here that could very well lead to better TE play than what we saw this past year.

 

1) Knox should see a nice year 2 jump, he has plenty of potential, has shown to be a good blocker who has good speed with good YAC potential.  Very excited to see what a 2nd year with him has in store.

 

2) Sweeney.  Similar, he's a decent blocker and much more mobile than Lee Smith.  I think he is the logical choice to replace him.  He will have a 2nd year in the system to improve on all fronts and it seemed like to me that he has a good bond with Allen.  I think he could end up being a good TE for the team.

 

3) Kroft, was injured through part of training camp and all pre season.  Never had a chance to form that on-the-field bond with Allen and if he can show what he's capable of that would give 2 very mobile TE's and one semi mobile one in Sweeney.  

 

4)  Allen - having another year in the system to have better rapport with these TE's.

 

I think there is a good chance that our TE play will be better next year than this past year. 

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This is what I’m talking about.  What have you seen from Tyler Kroft on the field with the Bills this season, or what have you seen in his previous seasons with the Bengals, that leads you to say he deserves at least 1 more season with Buffalo?

 

Open question, looking for explanation.

There you go! You found one! I was beginning to think you made the entire Kroft love thing up.

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If Kroft had anything to offer he would have been giving it when he came back healthy.

 

I would rather give the reps to our young guys UNLESS we bring in a HUGE upgrade in talent TE

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On 1/13/2020 at 12:52 AM, Chandler#81 said:

Not feeling the love here, either. Having already dumped Clay and ahead of the Draft, McB jumped on him early in FA because he’s a vet and was available with our TE cupboard completely bare. Not the case this offseason. For him to stick around, he’s gonna have to take a page from the  Croom Manuscript and charm Jessica P into dating him.

Simple as this.
Did he make a case for keeping him another season?
 Well starting out injured, and then Bills seem to give him low snap counts as if he was behind on the mental bits(?) guessing here )

He really never stood out, or looked to be 110%

I saw enough of his errors unfortunately.
Not worth the money, was worth the risk at the time.

Definitely definitely  could upgrade his position. Two ways

Less money , better or equal player via draft.

Better player than the whole bunch via FA/trade.
I have faith in Knox and then Sweeney to both improve noticeably next season.
Kroft if not injured might be all you can get from him. Not Enough imho  
 

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