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3 minutes ago, Success said:

Um, well, I guess you have a point w/ the Ravens.  

 

We can beat the Pats, Steelers and Cowboys. Not that we'll win all of those, but it's not like the latter 2 are juggernauts, and the Pats will be competitive.

 

Are you just penciling in a loss against every decent team?

 

 

We can’t beat the Browns and barely made it out the jets and the phone games. We aren’t good enough to pencil in wins against bad teams at this point. Odds are we lose at least one of those and lose to the actual good teams

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3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

BS; he's part to blame.  But he did pass them down for the go ahead score and then drove them down for the tying FG.  The defense let them marched down the field.

The defense held them to 19 points... No part of this L is on them.  To be a championship caliber football team, you have to be able to score more than 20 points against the Browns, or any other NFL defense for that matter.

Josh left touchdowns on the field, that’s literally the difference in the game...

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Offense looked like last year. Players didnt have any fire today while Cleveland was playing for its life. This team needs to develop a killer instinct.

 

 

The lack of use with Singletary is baffling

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4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Starting to seriously question if Josh Allen can improve. Right now it just doesn’t seem so and this is exactly who he might be. And if what we are watching is what Allen “might be”. It isn’t good enough 

Certainly not the craziest comment we will read here.

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I actually  think the bills played a good game on the road where they withstood the initial onslaught.   They just don’t click enough on offense.   Lots of plays that could have swung this game.  Missed fgs.   How about the terrible overthrow to McKenzie?   He has to relax and hit that.  

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1 minute ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

It's reasonable to pencil in losses in games in which we will be underdogs, yes. By the same token, we should pencil in wins the next two games and against the Jets. That puts us at 9-7.

I mean, that's not really the NFL.

 

I don't think it's reasonable at all.  The Bills could run the table for all we know.

 

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4 minutes ago, dayman said:

Plenty of room to win this easily if Josh was good at all, but he wasn't. Numbers don't much matter either. As it is, we still could have won if Hauschka makes it kicks..but we'll never have a good lead with Josh playing as he does he's just not a good QB. 

Kicker makes his FGs.

 

WRs catch balls, and even, make good catches on balls. 

 

I hate how folks who really dont understand football always blame the QB when a team loses.

 

 

Anyways., I think I'm gonna take a vacation from these boards...

 

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2 minutes ago, Nitro said:

DAboll called 13 running plays to the RBs.  Cleveland was averaging giving up over 140 yards a game.  That is an indictment on game planning and play calls. 

 

 

....could this be indicative of his resume' showing one year stops except for Cleveland with Mangini?....wouldn't you retain the good ones?......I'm probably old school, senior moment fickle though.....

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1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

As for everyone jumping off bridges cause we lost to an inferior team, take a look at the Chiefs and the Saints today. Who we are isn't defined by this loss..


It isn’t just one game. The Chiefs and Saints have proven consistently capable of being the better team against quality competition. The Bills haven’t. The Bills haven’t impressed, outside of the Patriots game, even in wins. The Bills played schedule doesn’t instill confidence in their victories. The QB play and run defense leaves a lot of concern.

 

Its not just the game today. There’s a trend that analytics backs up and it’s not favorable to the Bills.

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4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

..FOURTEEN rushes (Josh excluded) has NO bearing...YAWN.......versus 29th rush defense....perfect sense....

He can't run the ball if he doesn't get the call. 

 

Haus was asked to kick 2 FG and he missed. 

 

I agree they didn't run singletary enough. 

 

 

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Garbage. This team is mediocre at best.  Hauschka is done might as well start looking now.  I don't know who sucks worse the bills or the sabres.   bills o is garbage.  d is garbage.  I hope daboll moves on or gets fired.  Another soul crushing loss.   I wish I was born in Boston.  You have 0 wins over anybody that has more than 2 wins.  Plus you just lost to the browns. That is the definition of pathetic. Gonna follow that with a blowout loss to the dolphins.  Typical buffalo.  What can go wrong will go wrong times ten.  Just so frustrated.  They should of just moved both franchises what's the point. 

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 Wow! Just wow! I respect all the opinions and statements but this thread needs its title changed to “for irrational catastrophic thinking bills fans only“ it was a tough loss,  it happens. And, would  the majority of you rather not be 6-3. I think that’s a fair question

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Just now, MDH said:


Everybody doesn’t think they’re pretenders because of play calling, run D and the kicker.

 

They think the QB isn’t good and can’t carry them when they need it. If you put Watson or Mahomes on this team everybody would have faith in the Bills.

That's not what I said, I said the loss to the Browns today is why everyone thinks they are pretenders. Then I went on to list what lost them the game today

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2 minutes ago, Success said:

Um, well, I guess you have a point w/ the Ravens.  

 

We can beat the Pats, Steelers and Cowboys. Not that we'll win all of those, but it's not like the latter 2 are juggernauts, and the Pats will be competitive.

 

Are you just penciling in a loss against every decent team?

 

 

Well, the Bills have only beaten truly rotten teams all year, so it only makes sense that they lose to any decent team. The defense is above average but the offense is atrocious, from the QB to the OL to the receivers. The coaching is suspect to say the least as well. The whole playoff narrative depended on the Bills' spectacularly weak schedule, and unfortunately most of the weak opponents are gone. The Bills have done nothing to indicate they can win either of those 4 games.

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2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:


We have the pieces...except the 2 most important ones? Fantastic.

Josh may be salvageable if we make a change at OC fast. Dabs have ruined him almost to the point of no return. 

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this stings. winning vs a team that still has talent on the road would earn us some respect. as of right now I know multiple other people fans of other teams and nobody respects us because we have wins vs all garbage teams and I dont blame them. this wouldve really been big. lucky we still have jets and dolphins left and other bad teams

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I would still rather be a Bills fan than a Browns far. I was worried that desperate would be dangerous. I like our plan, we just need to keep growing. Let the hater’s and “realists” have their rant for a while. We have progress to make, but a good future. I believe that! 

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2 minutes ago, par73 said:

The end of that last drive was brutal. Where was the urgency to score-- or at least get closer? Did they really think that kicker was going to hit from 50+?

That has been a consistent trait of McDermott's team.

 

Poor in-game decision making, horrible penalty challenges, and atrocious clock management.

 

 

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Well we are what we are.

 

A poor offensive team with a decent defense that struggles to get off the field and stop the run and a defensive back in Wallace who is a liability in single coverage. The defense did an amazing job in their goal line stands and I will not take that away from them.

 

Hausch misses field goals so McD and Daboll cannot play the game like they can win by playing for field position and field goals. As much as I believe in consistency I still feel that Daboll game-plans and personnel selections are head-scratchers what is wrong with our screens - they get sniffed out all the time and Allen has to choose between throwing it in the dirt or into crowd of mixed jerseys. Why is Lee Smith on the field at all - how many holding penalties does it take to lose reps on this team ? Why is Duke not suited up when you need to be able to get Singletary out on the edge with space?

 

We have proved nothing against talented teams and Kitchens called one of the worst games I have ever seen and the Bills coaching staff still were out-coached - embarrassing and they are going to need to hear the critique that something needs to change. Especially the offense as that game management at the end was abysmal. Daboll has taught Allen that they can spike the ball to stop the clock - right? And a huddle with the clock running - WTF, that's coaching, more specifically the failure of coaching.

 

The Bills need to accept that they are not that good yet (sigh).

 

Sky is not falling - that 24 yard pass at the end was the longest by Mayfield, but good teams and defenses do not give up that score at the end.

 

We need another corner who can play man and be physical where I believe Wallace excels as a zone DB. Most of that drive, including the TD, was on Wallace.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I watched about 40% of this game, what exactly am I missing in people blaming allne?

 

Because it's the hot narrative here. Always. 

 

Defense gashed? Nope. Kicker missing a 34 yarder? Nope. In position to tie, another missed FG? Nope. 

 

Defense allowed 0. Special teams were immaculate. Entire loss is on #17. Duh. 

 

Not an Allen defender or supporter, but it's ridiculous in here. 

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Just now, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

The defense held them to 19 points... No part of this L is on them.  To be a championship caliber football team, you have to be able to score more than 20 points against the Browns, or any other NFL defense for that matter.

Josh left touchdowns on the field, that’s literally the difference in the game...


Here’s the reason for the frustrations at the defense...

 

We’ve invested so much in them.  The defense should be dominant, and it’s not.... it’s a top 10 defense but not dominant at all.  
 

The offense is still a WIP led by a second year QB.   
 

....but yes, the offense needs to be better & FG kicking is officially a problem.  

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