Nextmanup Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 44 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Yeah sure the guy who was the National Scholar Athlete of the year from Yale in 1972 is dumber than a monkey. Dick, is that you? Please point out in my writing where I said Dick Jauron is dumber than a monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 They will be awesome rest of year. Stay positive. It will help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, njbuff said: I would like to think that the Bills have much stronger coaching this time around to prevent it from happening. Plus, I think they can iron a lot of these kinks out from within. What do you think? I agree with you. You can see the progress and continued potential on this team; a whole different culture. That said, I'm concerned about the slippage on the defense. For the Bills to make the playoffs this year, which quite frankly is my expectation (nothing more), the defense has to step it back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I'm slightly concerned about Hyde and Shaq saying, essentially, "Relax, we're 5-2." I remember similar sentiments in those years. Getting too comfortable, no killer instinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: Dick, is that you? Please point out in my writing where I said Dick Jauron is dumber than a monkey. I have no doubt that Dick Jauron is a very smart man. That doesn't make him a good motivator and doesn't mean that he's a good football coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I feel that this is not the case. When the tale is told of the eventual Lombardi winner, narrators with deep, NFL-story-telling voices will come in dramatically at this point of the documentary, and say things like "with the loss to the Eagles, uncertainty ruled the day, and the Bills season hung in the balance," and "no one could possibly know the glory that was to come." True story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 No! The 2008 season was marred by that concussion on Trent Edwards. The Bills also lost pass rusher Aaron Schobel after 5 games and that was the end of that! The Miami Dolphins took the division that year with an 11-5 record. That's also the year the Patriots lost Brady after one game. 2011 Fitz got Fked up by the Redskins in week 8 and broke some ribs and he played hurting most of that season. The next week the Bills lost Eric Wood for the season and had great difficulty snapping the ball after that. Week 11 against Miami was a joke because they couldn't snap the ball correctly to save their lives. Besides that Bills defense was horrid under George Edwards that year. This season the Bills have to have the weakest schedule I've ever seen them have 1-7 Redskins, 2-5 Browns, 0-7 Dolphins, 2-6 Broncos... 4-3 Cowboys, 5-2 Ravens...3-4 Steelers, 8-0 Patriots, 1-6 Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Unsubscribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Maybe TBD should be like a busy doctor's office. "No Longer Accepting New Patients." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I'm sure there are "fans" rooting for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, njbuff said: I would like to think that the Bills have much stronger coaching this time around to prevent it from happening. Plus, I think they can iron a lot of these kinks out from within. What do you think? I don’t think this year is similar to either of those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 If I thought that way I'd find something else to do with my spare time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 This team has much better depth and overall talent than the 2008 and for sure 2011 teams. I also think that the team is much better coached overall than those two teams. I think 10 wins is super realistic. If they win 3 out of the next 4 that puts them at 8-3. They then have a tough stretch against the Cowboys, Pats, Ravens, and Steelers, even if they go 1-3 they enter into week 17 against the Jets at home at 9-6. I think ideally you want to win the next 4 (the only tough game you have is against the Browns which is a game you should be favored or a push away.) But even if you get a loss in there it still sets up you to a realistic path to 10 wins and a likely playoff spot. I think this roster is simply better built than the past 5-1 teams that disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 No way. Schedule is too easy. And theyve built a culture here. 11-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 No. Number 1: We have a much easier schedule. We still play the Redskins, Dolphins, Broncos, Steelers, Browns and Jets. We will win a MINIMUM of half of those games if not all 6. I have full confidence in that. That'd bring us to 8 wins minimum, possibly as high as 11 if we won all of them. Number 2: The debacle on Sunday and the issues that it exposed in terms of our players can be resolved easier than we initially thought. We all thought our run D sucked because of talent. Well, as Joe B laid out with video evidence pretty well in his most recent All-22, Star wasn't actually our problem, it was largely an issue of gap responsibility and over pursuit--and hasn't that been the resounding criticism of our young MLB? McDermott clearly saw that on film, which is why he said they were going back to fundamentals. Number 3: And then there were just some terrible coaching decisions. Daboll's PC the other day made it look like he was made aware of them in his film sessions and I'm sure Frazier was the same. I like McDermott and the staff he's put together and believe they'll resolve their issues. Number 4: Although Josh's fumbling is a major concern, he's been a lot better about throwing the football in the last 3 games. 6 TDs to 1 INT. He's still learning the game and will continue to take his lumps, but he's progressing as a passer, even if his deep ball is still off (almost have to forgive that deep miss to Foster on Sunday with that wind). Number 5: Do you really have any games on our schedule at this point that you've circled as absolute Ls? The Patriots? But we only lost by 6 to them even losing our starting QB for the entire 4th quarter and giving up a mind-numbing Special Teams TD. Dallas? Are they really that good? The Ravens? Along with us winning a minimum of 3 of the above games, I strongly believe we will win at least 1 of these games, bringing us to a MINIMUM of 9 wins this year. So no, 9-7 minimum would NOT be like 2008 or 2011 all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 The losses really scar people around here. GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GONNA LOSE MORE GAME(s) THIS SEASON!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I have to see more. Especially out of Josh and the offense. They move the ball in such short increments, hardly ever a chunk play. I think if Frank Gore had the hole that Miles Sanders took to the house, it would have been about a 14 yard rush. Josh's fumble before the Half against the Eagles was killer. Terrible turnover, that turned the tide of the game. Josh used to stretch the field. Last year if it was 3rd and 17, I was somewhat confident they could nail it. Now every 3 yards seems to be a struggle. They have good drives that just take forever and eventually a sack (often bad sacks) or penalty kills it. There is no YAC and no long shots. Josh used to threaten all areas of the field with his arm, now it is just a few yards to the sticks. I have to think that Thanksgiving Day is going to be another National Embarrassment as the Bills seem to melt under the National spotlight. Worst games, defense included, involve being the prime attraction. That is going to be melancholy. The Browns game will be tough as will every Sunday. Patriots and Steelers have the winning pedigree that the Bills aspire to, but every time we seem to be close we slide back down. So, one week at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I don’t think they will totally collapse but I do think they’ll be in a dog fight for the 6th seed needing to win the last game at home to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 When we were 5-2 in 2011, we had a an easy schedule for rest of the season and ended 6-10. So, hopefully we continue to beat the easy teams this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) Lol, doomed ? Of course not. The 2008 and 2011 teams have zero to do with this one. The coaching on those teams wasn’t as good, and the 2011 team had less talent. The ‘08 squad was quarterbacked by Trent Edwards. The Bills schedule remaining schedule is not difficult. They’ve lost to the teams an outside observer would expect them to lose to. They’re a decent to good team in a very mediocre AFC. While not a championship caliber roster yet, they can make the playoffs and possibly even win a wildcard game depending on the opponent. Edited October 31, 2019 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 No, better QB better coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 No. Easier schedule, better coaching. They could win 9 this year with minimal effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Lol, doomed ? Of course not. The 2008 and 2011 teams have zero to do with this one. The coaching on those teams wasn’t as good, and the 2011 team had less talent. The ‘08 squad was quarterbacked by Trent Edwards. The Bills schedule remaining schedule is not difficult. They’ve lost to the teams an outside observer would expect them to lose to. They’re a decent to good team in a very mediocre AFC. While not a championship caliber roster yet, they can make the playoffs and possibly even a wildcard depending on the opponent. This is exactly what they are. I hoped (and I think McDermott did too) that they were a straight up good team. After last week they are an above average team in a bad conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I don't think this team is any different really, they lack offensive explosiveness, they can't stop the run, still can't get pressure on QB's, it's like watching the same team over and over again for decades. McDermott is just as arrogant as previous coaches, maybe moreso, and as usual will be the downfall. The "I know best" mentality is strong with this coach, unfortunately he gets blown out a lot and has only beaten 2 good teams his entire coaching career. 7-9 worst case, 9-7 best case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: I don't think this team is any different really, they lack offensive explosiveness, they can't stop the run, still can't get pressure on QB's, it's like watching the same team over and over again for decades. McDermott is just as arrogant as previous coaches, maybe moreso, and as usual will be the downfall. The "I know best" mentality is strong with this coach, unfortunately he gets blown out a lot and has only beaten 2 good teams his entire coaching career. 7-9 worst case, 9-7 best case. They've been terrible against the run for their last two games. In their first five games, they shut down Bell, Barkley, Mixon, the entire NE offense and Henry. But please ... let's forget about those first 5 games so your narrative (crusade) is protected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: They've been terrible against the run for their last two games. In their first five games, they shut down Bell, Barkley, Mixon, the entire NE offense and Henry. But please ... let's forget about those first 5 games so your narrative (crusade) is protected. Five games, only one good team, which they lost to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Five games, only one good team, which they lost to. This is the first I'm hearing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 12 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Coaching is not "much stronger" than Chan Gailey in 2011; it is better than Dick Jauron in 2008. A monkey with a learning disability would provide better coaching than Dick Jauron. Do not think we are doomed to repeat however. One of the better sentences in the history of TSW. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: This is the first I'm hearing this. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle GI-JOE! dun dun dun dun da daaaa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 11 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: What happened then? I get counseling on the lost years and only live in 2019. The medicine makes my mouth dry... me too. those years are one big black out. what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 7 hours ago, leonbus23 said: When we were 5-2 in 2011, we had a an easy schedule for rest of the season and ended 6-10. So, hopefully we continue to beat the easy teams this year. It’s the NFL, you never know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus99 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) They could go 5-11 or 14-2 which of course there is a 99 % chance that neither is going to happen magic number I say 10-6 second place in division wild card the next 4 games we will probably go 3-1 dropping a game ( Either Cleveland or perhaps a trap again against Miami ) Baltimore / Dallas we gonna win one of those not sure which one last 3 we drop one against the Patriots because they are cheaters and against the Steelers ?? Not sure we might win might not win and of course the NY Jets at home could be an important game or we could already be in the playoff and this game would be meaningless First round of the playoffs in the wild cards we get a W Divisional round we might hit a W ??? If we make it to the AFC Championship that is gonna be a loss especially if we face the Patriots but miracles can happen you never know Edited October 31, 2019 by Cygnus99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I think the Bills need to go 4-0 in the next 4 games or at absolute worst 3-1 or we aren’t making the playoffs. And I think that there’s a pretty good chance we don’t go 4-0. If the run defense gets fixed this week then we might be ok. If not, we are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I think the Bills need to go 4-0 in the next 4 games or at absolute worst 3-1 or we aren’t making the playoffs. And I think that there’s a pretty good chance we don’t go 4-0. If the run defense gets fixed this week then we might be ok. If not, we are done. I wouldn’t have demanded the Kelly Era Bills win the next four in a row it’s the bloody NFL.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 24 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I think the Bills need to go 4-0 in the next 4 games or at absolute worst 3-1 or we aren’t making the playoffs. And I think that there’s a pretty good chance we don’t go 4-0. If the run defense gets fixed this week then we might be ok. If not, we are done. Last week was bad but Philly despite the record is a good team. They were desperate. Did Bell run all over the Bills week 1? After the first drive of the Giants game the Bills kept Barkley in check. The D will be tested this week as the Skins will want to run the ball with AP but I think the Bills D gets back on track. 24-10 Bills. 6-2 and onto Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 13 hours ago, leonbus23 said: When we were 5-2 in 2011, we had a an easy schedule for rest of the season and ended 6-10. So, hopefully we continue to beat the easy teams this year. Including 13-3 NE, 8-8 NYJ (x2), 8-8 DAL, 9-7 TEN, 8-8 SD, and 8-8 DEN. Also 5 of the 9 games were on the road. So no it was not an easy schedule. 12 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Lol, doomed ? Of course not. The 2008 and 2011 teams have zero to do with this one. The coaching on those teams wasn’t as good, and the 2011 team had less talent. The ‘08 squad was quarterbacked by Trent Edwards. The Bills schedule remaining schedule is not difficult. They’ve lost to the teams an outside observer would expect them to lose to. They’re a decent to good team in a very mediocre AFC. While not a championship caliber roster yet, they can make the playoffs and possibly even win a wildcard game depending on the opponent. Here is what I find funny. You say anything negative about this team and the response from many is that your an idiot this team is 5-2 so be quiet. But when we talk about prior 5-2 teams people can say those teams sucked or Trent Edwards sucked, the coaching sucked, etc. But they were 5-2...does that mean you can be 5-2 and still have a coach that may not be that good or a QB that is struggling? Hmm interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 18 hours ago, njbuff said: I would like to think that the Bills have much stronger coaching this time around to prevent it from happening. Plus, I think they can iron a lot of these kinks out from within. What do you think? Nope, sticking with my 11-5. 10-6 at worst with either record getting us a WC spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, ngbills said: Including 13-3 NE, 8-8 NYJ (x2), 8-8 DAL, 9-7 TEN, 8-8 SD, and 8-8 DEN. Also 5 of the 9 games were on the road. So no it was not an easy schedule. Here is what I find funny. You say anything negative about this team and the response from many is that your an idiot this team is 5-2 so be quiet. But when we talk about prior 5-2 teams people can say those teams sucked or Trent Edwards sucked, the coaching sucked, etc. But they were 5-2...does that mean you can be 5-2 and still have a coach that may not be that good or a QB that is struggling? Hmm interesting. There may be some fans that find anything negative to be idiotic, but those are complete homers and can be discounted. That’s a far cry from your notion, though. The OPs question wasn’t if it was possible that this 5-2 team could flounder, as others have in the past. It was whether they were doomed to replicate the failures of completely different teams, with completely different players / coaches in very different situations. So while only the biggest homers would say the team couldn’t possibly slip, only the “ sky is falling” critics of virtually everything the team does would say “ doomed” ! Edited November 1, 2019 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 20 hours ago, njbuff said: I would like to think that the Bills have much stronger coaching this time around to prevent it from happening. Plus, I think they can iron a lot of these kinks out from within. What do you think? The Bills have a much easier schedule than those other years. The real problem is they can't beat playoff caliber teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I think we make the playoffs then get absolutely housed by the Chiefs in the wildcard game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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