vincec Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 a) I think he's right. b) Even if he's wrong, what do you expect him to say? "There were players available that could help us but we decided not to spend the money."? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Mike Schopp from earlier today: "The three years before McDermott got here, the Bills' combined point differential was PLUS 95. Since, it's MINUS 150. And that includes this season. STOP WITH HOW MUCH BETTER YOU ARE AT THIS THAN THOSE GUYS!" The 3 years before McD got here... coaches/gms in win now mode... spending to cap... trading picks away... 24-24 Since McD got here... coaches/gm in rebuild mode... clearing cap... acquiring picks... 20-19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 We weren't a player away from contending. We MAY be a contender w/ what we have. It's really down to Allen. He need to play like he did on the 1st few drives last week all the time. He needs to be consistent; he needs to be better. I think he can, but it needs to start happening pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Hard to win in the NFL birdies coming out of the woodwork. Makes you start to wonder. To build an organization that employs hundreds of people, united in achieving a single goal, that resets itself every February--is a herculean task. Over the past quarter century, the Patriots are the only team that has been able to consistently do it--across all 4 major North American sports. So it is 1/120, or 8/10ths of 1% likely to happen. The next tier down: Green Bay, Pit, NYG, NO... they win, but have losing seasons interspersed, with plenty of playoff heartbreak. I would imagine we're shooting for that. So far, this administration has 1 trip to the playoffs, a 6-10 year, and a 5-2 start to this year. They have said that their path forward is to build through the draft, resign their own guys, and not make poor decisions in free agency. Despite this obvious progress, what I have learned this fall is that as bad as Bills fans were when the team was bad, they are absolutely miserable and toxic on here as the product begins to improve. I am beginning to loathe this board--a place I've come to for years and years to stay up to date on the team, has become, or is becoming, a place so filled with asinine hate and piss poor takes that it's putting me in a bad mood to read it. Honestly, and I hate saying this because it's a liberal echo chamber, but the Bills sub reddit is a 1000x better because people just upvote funny memes and talk about drinking and how in love with Josh Allen they are. Here? People have made it a goddamn badge of honor to be a contrarian--and hey, when we were losing, that was cool, because guys would be like "19-0 on the way baby". Or, "if we finish 7-0 we can still snag a wild card." Now? Now its "We're 5-2, but Dabol should officially be on notice and this team is NOT good." "Mahomes and Watson are constant reminders that Beane should be fired--despite the fact that both QBs have worse records than Allen this year." "Is there such a thing as a BAD win?" etc. etc. etc. It's trying to piss into the ocean against a strong wind to say that I'm going to leave here, but goddamn. Before 6 hours ago, we all hated the Rex era. But now because McD said they made bad moves in the past I'm on page 13 of people talking about how McD needs to mind his business and be respectful of those amazing football architects. Not internet tough guy talk, honest sports bar let's share a table and watch this game talk, but do people actually operate like this in real life? Do people on here watch these games in a fun environment, with other fans, and say this crazy *****? Because I watch the games (out of state) with a group of guys and we're having a really enjoyable fall, figuring the Bills will play a playoff game or 2, and the tide is turning. And McD pointing out the obvious that the previous regimes... ummm... didn't win football games? isn't ground breaking? Like, we had the longest drought in North America for not making the post season. Objectively, the team sucked. Hardcore. And they were frustrating as ***** to watch. Now we can't defend the coach that ended that drought, and has the team playing winning football with a young QB (who looks a hell of a lot better than the QBs taken ahead of him that draft, btw) when he says that they didn't make moves because the previous regimes dicked the team over by making terrible decisions. I mean, Christ, do you guys REMEMBER the Sammy Watkins trade? 2 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 53 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I’m sure money had nothing to do with it. I love the Bills but there’s zero percent he choose us if the money was equal or close. Come on with Kroft though. for sure. but the poster said we couldn't get free agents to come here. that's false. so much so that this one picked playing in buffalo over NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said: "Mahomes and Watson are constant reminders that Beane should be fired--despite the fact that both QBs have worse records than Allen this year." "Is there such a thing as a BAD win?" etc. etc. etc. Great post, but this part is particularly outstanding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Rico said: Great post, but this part is particularly outstanding. I couldn't read that wall of text. That is a gem though haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 No wonder most coaches don't say much in the press conferences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Mike Schopp from earlier today: "The three years before McDermott got here, the Bills' combined point differential was PLUS 95. Since, it's MINUS 150. And that includes this season. STOP WITH HOW MUCH BETTER YOU ARE AT THIS THAN THOSE GUYS!" Riveting content as always. Has he held his Halloween Candy Draft yet? How about his fantasy candy team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Riveting content as always. Has he held his Halloween Candy Draft yet? How about his fantasy candy team? Fizzers get my vote. Outstanding UK candy. I heard his rant on this McD statement and thought it was very entertaining. Edited October 30, 2019 by WotAGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Oh snap. Like trading Sammy for a second rounder and then giving up a third for a bust WR from where you came from. Look in the mirror first before you open your mouth, trading Darby for a 3rd was stupid but you did it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark92 said: They tell us all the time that they want to build this thing through the draft. The only outlier is if they see value in adding talent. Adding AJ Green would obviously help the offense but not worth giving up premium picks. Would you rather have AJ Green for 2 years or a legit CB to play opposite White? Or how about a DT who can run block? Or a DE that can get sacks? Or a 21 year old 1st round receiver? This team still has holes and you can't give up multiple premium picks to fill one hole. Then why trade a 3rd for Benjamin? Move up for Zay? They have given up premium picks to move up in the draft the last 2 years. If AJ Green would have cost "multiple" premium picks, then sure. If they weren't willing to give up a 2nd for Green, then shame on them. Especially with 89 million of cap room next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Riveting content as always. Has he held his Halloween Candy Draft yet? How about his fantasy candy team? What good team has McDermott ever beaten? I'll hang up and listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Whaley's trades for players: Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes Kiko Alonso for Lesean McCoy A fifth and a seventh for Matt Cassel and a sixth Trade deadline trades: I'm fairly certain the number under Whaley was zero. Yeah. If he was directly referencing TRADE DEADLINE moves, he's admitting that he and Beane made a mistake. I'm FAIRLY certain he's aware of the fact that the Bills haven't made big in season trades prior to KB. It's tough to tell. I don't really have a problem with the statement, but I don't quite get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: Then why trade a 3rd for Benjamin? Move up for Zay? They have given up premium picks to move up in the draft the last 2 years. If AJ Green would have cost "multiple" premium picks, then sure. If they weren't willing to give up a 2nd for Green, then shame on them. Especially with 89 million of cap room next year. I'm going to guess that's because they were bad moves he doesn't want to repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Rob's House said: Also, if Whaley gets credit for Hughes he has to also take the blame for EJ. Disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 "There have been too many years of irresponsible decision-making, let's just put it that way." -- Sean McDermott Hindsight is 20-20 but who passed on Mahomes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 so which player out there would put us over the proverbial top? We go as far as Allen's readiness takes us. That's who this regime has hitched their wagon to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, billsherd said: No wonder most coaches don't say much in the press conferences. I know right? Talk about getting mileage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, LeGOATski said: There's a time when the Bills signed/traded for big names just to out asses in the seats. I think he was saying they don't do that anymore. These were my thoughts exactly!! When I read McD's comment, I didnt think he was referencing specific trades. He was talking about dumb stuff the team would do in general in the past. Its like how we brought in T.O. All it was was a ploy to sell seats, nothing more. He wasnt gonna carry us to the playoffs. The team was still bad when he was here. Those days are over. Lets actually build a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 9 hours ago, BobBelcher said: Between that and observations from Daboll’s press conference the other day, seems like that Eagles game has him feeling ticked off. Maybe lit a fire? Not sure but I don’t mind! Could be! The Eagles game was disappointing but I think we’ll be fine. The defense will get back to “elite” level soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 32 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm going to guess that's because they were bad moves he doesn't want to repeat. So AJ Green is Benjamin. ? 26 minutes ago, ALF said: "There have been too many years of irresponsible decision-making, let's just put it that way." -- Sean McDermott Hindsight is 20-20 but who passed on Mahomes ? Ding ding ding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: So AJ Green is Benjamin. ? Good grief. Trading for an injured rental player may be a bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Good grief. Trading for an injured rental player may be a bad move. You mean the injured player who is ready to go after the bye week? Gotcha. https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/10/30/20940068/a-j-green-injury-update-bengals-contract-nfl-free-agency-2020 Good grief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 The Bills may have to make some moves eventually, and maybe they are shell shocked and just afraid to. Their actions also indicate that they trust the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 9 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Whaley's trades for players: Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes Kiko Alonso for Lesean McCoy A fifth and a seventh for Matt Cassel and a sixth Trade deadline trades: I'm fairly certain the number under Whaley was zero. Sammy Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 9 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: If he blames the previous admin it looks like an excuse. If he blames Beane, it strains relationships. If he blames himself, he looks incompetent. Beane and McDermott are obviously going to play the year out with what they have. If all goes well, they can at least get a wildcard spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) Edited October 31, 2019 by YoloinOhio 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 32 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Sammy Watkins Sammy Watkins was a draft day trade. Kind of a different animal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: JW's right. This team was never going to contend for a title this year, sorry if it just dawned on you last Sunday. Edited October 31, 2019 by QCity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Atlanta of 2017 and KC that same year but KC was on a down swing when the Bills played them. I’m just skeptical these guys ever put together a decent offensive football team.... a lot of that depends on Allen but if they don’t add some big pieces and good FAs in the offseason they’ll be looking at another mediocre football team, IMO. Per the data in another thread, Allen isn’t on pace for being the long term solution without a big day through the air to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 This was a man thing to say. Loved that he is happy with the squad and is willing to say they have a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yea. Interesting Russell Wilson is on that list... Seahawks ran a pretty conservative offense their first couple years with him. Daboll and the Bills offense is much more pass oriented and Allen barely breaks 200..... he just gets too erratic and inconsistent at points throughout games. Not sure that ever improves. I mean, technically, just about everybody is on the list. There are 130 QB’s. Haha Russ is just a head of Allen by a game (assuming JA drops 300 on the redskins) in terms of games started without going for 300. People seem to think Allen is an anomaly. He might be, but I think he has to have a big game through the air by the time we wrap up the playoffs or he’s flirting with being replaced as the starter sometime in year 3 or to start year 4. Edited: Allen’s placement compared to RW Edited October 31, 2019 by Mango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 He's right. There were no quality young players available that wouldn't have cost us way too much. Stay the course and use all your picks in April. And do a better job on fa than you did with Star and Murphy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Star is a mistake with that contract. Benjamin was a mistake as well as pretty much any of the Panthers players we brought in. We are playing money ball now as a lot of teams are. I think we have great coaches but we make some poor decisions with RBs (except Singletary) and receivers. However, with that said we are a good team but we need a piece or two on the offensive line, a piece or two on the defensive line (edge rusher too), Lorenzo’s replacement and an A+ wide receiver. Every regime selects players for their team vision. A lot of things look like mistakes when the next guys scheme doesn’t jive with the player. All things considered, I think Rex had the worst selections (all the Jets players, Percy Harvin etc..). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, QCity said: JW's right. This team was never going to contend for a title this year, sorry if it just dawned on you last Sunday. I don’t think he is right. The overwhelming majority of fans have bought into the process. Acting like fans ran good coaches out of town is ridiculous. McD and Beane have plenty of support, they need to win a few big games before they start talking about other people’s mistake. You can’t make everyone happy but you can be professional and avoid statements like the one he made today. We did our due dilligence and nothing made sense for the direction we are headed. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Oh snap. I absolutely hate that quote by McDermott, since there are so many trade scenarios it didn't have to be a huge trade like AJ Green but something minor that could have helped us in the long run. There could have been several positions that could have helped, you don't have to mortgage the future but to sit on your hands and do nothing when there are clear issues that need to be addressed? I'm not a fan of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Sammy Watkins Ya and McDermott essentially passing on Watson and Mahomes to then have to wheel and deal a bunch of picks in order to get up to 7 to take Allen, If Allen doesn't pan out, will be far worse than the Watkins move Edited October 31, 2019 by Laughing Coffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I would say yes that too though it looked ok at the time Agreed....when we traded for him I thought it was going to be a good trade 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I absolutely hate that quote by McDermott, since there are so many trade scenarios it didn't have to be a huge trade like AJ Green but something minor that could have helped us in the long run. There could have been several positions that could have helped, you don't have to mortgage the future but to sit on your hands and do nothing when there are clear issues that need to be addressed? I'm not a fan of it. We have absolutely no idea what teams were asking for in compensation for a trade For instance....Corey Davis....I actually like him....what if the Titans were just asking for too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 17 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: So he either bad-mouthed previous administrations, or Brandon Beane and himself, or both. Not sure that was necessary. Looked to me like it could as easily have referred to his years in Carolina, or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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