McDermott on no trades: "There have been too many years of irresponsible decision-making, let's just put it that way."

[njbuff]

The Bills didn’t need to bring in another WR.

 

Because, this what can be done from within........

 

Kroft stays healthy and gets a couple of touches per game.

 

McKenzie is in there on GD and gets a few more touches.

 

Knox holds onto the ball.

 

Singletary becomes the feature back.

 

STOP with the designed QB runs, unless it’s less than a yard or inside the oppositions 5 yard line.

 

All sounds pretty simple and the Bills don’t have to trade away draft assets to do it.

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

Don't you ever tire of being a one trick pony?

No because it is pretty obvious how the board reacts whenever McClappity says something.

 

I want to see exciting offensive football, wins and to be entertained.  Going between 6-10 & 9-7 as the Bills do year after year, and this regime refusing to concentrate or have a high powered offense that can score in the high 20's-30's (heck have only scored over 20 is three games (28, 21 & 31 with a defensive TD) doesn't make for fun or any longterm winning football imo.  

[njbuff]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Agreed.  I still have hope for this year, although I see many have given up with only 7 games played.

 

I didn't mean that at all and you know it.

I didn’t give up at all.

 

They got their lunch handed to them by Philly, it happens. I’m over it.

 

Now they need to make their adjustments and go out and beat Washington.

 

It starts by making Singletary the feature back, while Gore is the change up back.

 

The Bills need to start playing from ahead in these games, as it plays to their strengths.

[BillsVet]

11 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

They are going to build through the draft and NO big splashes in FA.   They said it day one and they say it now.  You change the culture by changing the past!  

 

Does this not include signing Star in 2018 to a 5 year 50M contract with 24.6M guaranteed?  Or Mitch Morse to a 4 year 44.5M contract with 26M guaranteed?

 

[MAJBobby]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Oh snap. 

Like giving a 3rd for Kelvin Benjamin?  Or letting a Premier CB walk for Nothing?  Maybe he means making Skates a 10M dollar man?  Or Maybe he means signing Halftime Retirement Vonte?  Or is he talking about trading up for a MLB?  Or trading up for a Zay Jones?  Trotting our Peterman as a starter?  How many OCs?  

 

projecting much today McClappy?

 

you have been on the job now long enough to stop pointing to other regimes. Maybe you should learn a little in game management?  Seems you still have your irresponsible decisions there and have yet to improve?  

Edited October 30, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, njbuff said:

The Bills didn’t need to bring in another WR.

 

Because, this what can be done from within........

 

Kroft stays healthy and gets a couple of touches per game.

 

McKenzie is in there on GD and gets a few more touches.

 

Knox holds onto the ball.

 

Singletary becomes the feature back.

 

STOP with the designed QB runs, unless it’s less than a yard or inside the oppositions 5 yard line.

 

All sounds pretty simple and the Bills don’t have to trade away draft assets to do it.

McKenzie needs to be active so he can actually get the ball

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

A late 3rd was still wayyyy to much.

 

That's a premium pick for a oversized , slow TE masquerading as a WR

 

It was terrible the day it went down and they were hoping on a prayer

I did not have a problem with it at the time. In hindsight it's easy to criticize but for a 3rd and the team's needs at the time it was good value.

[SJDK]

4 hours ago, ngbills said:

 

So does Nathan Peterman starting a few too many games...

[njbuff]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

McKenzie needs to be active so he can actually get the ball

That’s what I said.

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I didn’t give up at all.

 

They got their lunch handed to them by Philly, it happens. I’m over it.

 

Now they need to make their adjustments and go out and beat Washington.

 

It starts by making Singletary the feature back, while Gore is the change up back.

 

The Bills need to start playing from ahead in these games, as it plays to their strengths.

 

Good for you and for the record I wasn't talking specifically to you.

McDermott and the boys have a lot more work to do.

Hoping they get back on track Sunday.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I did not have a problem with it at the time. In hindsight it's easy to criticize but for a 3rd and the team's needs at the time it was good value.

Randy Moss went for a 4th.

 

He was a reciever coming off injury who was already slow. They took a Carolina guy because they knew him

 

They easily coulda got better a better scheme fit for less

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

That’s what I said.

I didnt know what you meant by McKenzie in there on game day

[C.Biscuit97]

49 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

This is certainly a fair question.

 

I believe we are better situated at QB and on both lines. I also think that the 2020 draft is chock full of wide receivers which I continue to think is a glaring need. I think that the Bills are well situated to make the playoffs this season and a MAJOR move in 2020. And I am glad that Whaley is not there to squander our best resources.

 

I still think there is a lot to be proven if we are better at qb yet.  Allen certainly could be but it also is hard to say so when the Jags can have a 6th round pick who looks miles better as a passer than our 7th overall 2nd year qb.  But long way to go.

 

i think McDermott is an outstanding DC and one of the best secondary coaches in the nfl.  Our offense is still a major work in progress after 3 years. Obviously it’s mainly on Allen but I believe Whaley’s best team would absolutely beat this current group. JMO. 

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I did not have a problem with it at the time. In hindsight it's easy to criticize but for a 3rd and the team's needs at the time it was good value.

He was fat and out of shape and had terrible knees in Carolina. Cam won the MVP and they went 15-1 when he missed the entire year. 

[Albany,n.y.]

3 hours ago, GG said:

 0-2 against teams with a winning record

Everyone who has played NE has lost.  So you're basing everything on one game.  

[Stank_Nasty]

44 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Woods, Goodwin & Watkins.....  Yep a bad group of receivers..... 

 

Again lot's of teams have money, however coming to Buffalo is a tough sell for a marquee player.....  10 wins with this schedule should be a minimum when you should have 5 wins vs. tanking teams (Miami, Washington & NYJ), have won vs. NYG,, winless Cincy and have upcoming games vs. Denver & Pitt without a QB.......  They then have dysfunctional Cleveland, Dalls, NE & Balt.....  

 

10 should be the minimum & then a second place schedule in 2020......  

wtf does this have to do with anything I said? at what point did I ever talk about past present or future wr's in my post. it literally has nothing to do with what i was talking about. you are all over the place man.

 

and we'll win 10. probably 11.... 10 or 11 wins and 90 mil to spend..... WHAT AN AWFUL SITUATION! THE HORROR!!!

 

also.... Beasley passed up the pats to come to buffalo. could we please drop the ignorant narrative that FA's wont come to buffalo? its just dumb.

Edited October 30, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[teef]

23 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No because it is pretty obvious how the board reacts whenever McClappity says something.

 

I want to see exciting offensive football, wins and to be entertained.  Going between 6-10 & 9-7 as the Bills do year after year, and this regime refusing to concentrate or have a high powered offense that can score in the high 20's-30's (heck have only scored over 20 is three games (28, 21 & 31 with a defensive TD) doesn't make for fun or any longterm winning football imo.  

what do you suggest they do to improve the offense?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I think Whaley took, and continues to take a lot of unwarranted criticism. I think there were two primary issues that caused him problems. First, he was tasked with finding players for differing philosophies under coaching changes. The second has nothing to do with finding talent; however, I am convinced his lack of skills as a public speaker brought about a very unfavorable perception of him and his abilities. 

 

I agree with you, I thought Whaley was a very good talent evaluator.

Whaley got screwed by never being allowed to pick his HC.  Rex destroyed a top 5 defense. Now McD destroyed a top 10 offense.  I don't really care for McDermott but at some point they need to stick with a regime for a while.  If Allen is a top 15 QB then Beane and McD will get several more years to win.  

29 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Like giving a 3rd for Kelvin Benjamin?  Or letting a Premier CB walk for Nothing?  Maybe he means making Skates a 10M dollar man?  Or Maybe he means signing Halftime Retirement Vonte?  Or is he talking about trading up for a MLB?  Or trading up for a Zay Jones?  Trotting our Peterman as a starter?  How many OCs?  

 

projecting much today McClappy?

 

you have been on the job now long enough to stop pointing to other regimes. Maybe you should learn a little in game management?  Seems you still have your irresponsible decisions there and have yet to improve?  

Wow Maj, I agree with everything in this post.  But one question, who is Skates?

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Whaley got screwed by never being allowed to pick his HC.  Rex destroyed a top 5 defense. Now McD destroyed a top 10 offense.  I don't really care for McDermott but at some point they need to stick with a regime for a while.  If Allen is a top 15 QB then Beane and McD will get several more years to win.  

Wow Maj, I agree with everything in this post.  But one question, who is Skates?

Star Lotulelei (named him Skates)

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 0-2 against teams with a winning record

 

4-4 is a winning record?

[frostbitmic]

The only thing it seems he could be talking about is trades at the deadline and the only one I've seen them make or remember, is trading for Box of Twinkies Benjamin.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Woods, Goodwin & Watkins.....  Yep a bad group of receivers..... 

 

Again lot's of teams have money, however coming to Buffalo is a tough sell for a marquee player.....  10 wins with this schedule should be a minimum when you should have 5 wins vs. tanking teams (Miami, Washington & NYJ), have won vs. NYG,, winless Cincy and have upcoming games vs. Denver & Pitt without a QB.......  They then have dysfunctional Cleveland, Dalls, NE & Balt.....  

 

10 should be the minimum & then a second place schedule in 2020......  

 

Goodwin has had 1 decent season out of 7 years in the NFL.  That was 2 years ago.  Watkins had 2 good seasons with  EJ Manual, Tyrod Taylor, and Kyle Orton.  That 4 and 5 years ago.  Woods I liked but he reportedly wanted to go back home and even he has only had one season over 1k yards so far.  Good group compared to the scrubs we had last year but not really all that much better than what we have right now.

[CommonCents]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Benjamin was a horrible trade while Star is exactly who they thought he would be (a selfless space eater who holds his ground while taking up double teams so other DT's can shine) so I wouldn't lump the two together.  We pry paid more than we should've for Star but we're not exactly in salary cap trouble.

Star and double teamed go together like me and hot chicks. It’s happened but not nearly enough. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

The Bills didn’t need to bring in another WR.

 

Because, this what can be done from within........

 

Kroft stays healthy and gets a couple of touches per game.

 

McKenzie is in there on GD and gets a few more touches.

 

Knox holds onto the ball.

 

Singletary becomes the feature back.

 

STOP with the designed QB runs, unless it’s less than a yard or inside the oppositions 5 yard line.

 

All sounds pretty simple and the Bills don’t have to trade away draft assets to do it.

How about simply running screen plays for Singletary? 

[syhuang]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 0-2 against teams with a winning record

 

If you counted 4-4 Eagles with a winning record, shouldn't you also count 4-4 Titans? Either way, it's either 0-1 or 1-2.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I think this is right. That was a massively bad trade in retrospect.  I can see being a little gunshy after that debacle. 

 

...sometime a change of scenery works and other times it does not......Hughes worked and he has not let this club down with his work ethic (dumb penalties have been mitigated)....Benjamin came here and his work ethic was NOT.....was hoping his water would break so he'd make weight...STILL hasn't...bet he's NT shape by now......

[Yav]

I’m glad they didn’t throw away high picks for a player that may or may not stay. 
 

they didn’t get fleeced and they have their pics. 
 

address OL & pass rush in FA 

draft WR, RB and LB

[Billsfan1972]

48 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Goodwin has had 1 decent season out of 7 years in the NFL.  That was 2 years ago.  Watkins had 2 good seasons with  EJ Manual, Tyrod Taylor, and Kyle Orton.  That 4 and 5 years ago.  Woods I liked but he reportedly wanted to go back home and even he has only had one season over 1k yards so far.  Good group compared to the scrubs we had last year but not really all that much better than what we have right now.

Maybe if the Bills threw to them too in 2016 (and Watkins healthy) we'd have seen what they had.

 

Point is why would any offensive player want to come play in McClappity's 14-17 points or bust offense?

[Rico]

"I'd like to thank all my fans in this thread for their support.

Don't forget, the XFL season starts February 8th!

XFL! XFL! XFL!"

 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Maybe if the Bills threw to them too in 2016 (and Watkins healthy) we'd have seen what they had.

 

Point is why would any offensive player want to come play in McClappity's 14-17 points or bust offense?

you mean like when Beasley picked the bills over the pats this offseason?

 

because that happened. 

[billsfan1959]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No because it is pretty obvious how the board reacts whenever McClappity says something.

 

I want to see exciting offensive football, wins and to be entertained.  Going between 6-10 & 9-7 as the Bills do year after year, and this regime refusing to concentrate or have a high powered offense that can score in the high 20's-30's (heck have only scored over 20 is three games (28, 21 & 31 with a defensive TD) doesn't make for fun or any longterm winning football imo.  

They almost completely rebuilt the offense this off season and are still missing some pieces, as well as continuity that comes with playing together. In spite of your assertions to the contrary, they have tried to turn this into a passing offense, and, to be honest, the primary difference between scoring 19 PPG (that they are now) and 30 PPG (and dominating lesser opponents) are drive ending mistakes, penalties, and turnovers -  18 drives inside the opponents 40 yard line in 7 games with 0 points..  If they would have just gotten a field goal on 15 of those drives, they would be averaging 25 PPG.  I anticipate it will improve some this year and take a big leap next year with the addition of more pieces. 

 

BTW, what's with the "McClappity?" Seriously? You sound like you are emotionally stunted at 10 years old.

Edited October 30, 2019 by billsfan1959

[njbuff]

39 minutes ago, the skycap said:

How about simply running screen plays for Singletary? 

now you are asking too much.

 

?

[Scott7975]

8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Maybe if the Bills threw to them too in 2016 (and Watkins healthy) we'd have seen what they had.

 

Point is why would any offensive player want to come play in McClappity's 14-17 points or bust offense?

 

Didn't we just pick up John Brown, Cole Beasley, and Tyler Kroft?

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

you mean like when Beasley picked the bills over the pats this offseason?

 

because that happened. 

I’m sure money had nothing to do with it. 

 

I love the Bills but there’s zero percent he choose us if the money was equal or close. 

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Didn't we just pick up John Brown, Cole Beasley, and Tyler Kroft?

Come on with Kroft though. 

[Nextmanup]

Mike Schopp spent 1/2 hour blasting McDermott over this little quote in today's show.

 

Hour 1 for those interested, starts about 5 minutes in.  It's a great listen.

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/10-30-hr-1-schopp-bulldog-0

[BillsFan2313]

The most irresponsible trade, was when McDermott decided to trade down, instead of taking Mahomes or Watson. Also, our current GM has traded up every year. Whether it was for Allen and Edmunds, or Zay Jones (hi Ju Ju Smith Schuster).... but let's not trade for a guy like AJ Greene, because that would be irresponsible..ok McDermott. 

[Nextmanup]

Mike Schopp from earlier today:

 

"The three years before McDermott got here, the Bills' combined point differential was PLUS 95.  Since, it's MINUS 150.  And that includes this season.  STOP WITH HOW MUCH BETTER YOU ARE AT THIS THAN THOSE GUYS!"

 

 

 

[ThurmasThoman]

30 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

Yeah we can start with you passing on Watson and Mahomes. 

Yes, let's start there.

The Bills have a better record than both of those teams.
And Mahomes is injured.

[Mark92]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Does this not include signing Star in 2018 to a 5 year 50M contract with 24.6M guaranteed?  Or Mitch Morse to a 4 year 44.5M contract with 26M guaranteed?

Mitch Morse and Star are not a BIG splashes.  $100 Million to Mario Williams is a Big splash. 

[GoBills808]

15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Mike Schopp from earlier today:

 

"The three years before McDermott got here, the Bills' combined point differential was PLUS 95.  Since, it's MINUS 150.  And that includes this season.  STOP WITH HOW MUCH BETTER YOU ARE AT THIS THAN THOSE GUYS!"

 

 

 

Right, because combined point differential is always the first stat you bring up when assessing coaches.

[ngbills]

16 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Mike Schopp from earlier today:

 

"The three years before McDermott got here, the Bills' combined point differential was PLUS 95.  Since, it's MINUS 150.  And that includes this season.  STOP WITH HOW MUCH BETTER YOU ARE AT THIS THAN THOSE GUYS!"

 

 

 

Current regime is always the best, following a process that takes time, doing it their way etc. People will ignore any data that may show that they are not doing a good job. 

 

We are 5-2 and that gets used as evidence McD is doing great. Honestly - pick any of the Bills teams from the past 10 years or so. I would bet money that nearly all of them would also be 5-2 with this schedule. We have not had any teams as bad as this years CIN, MIA, NYY. Most of those teams would have beat these NYG and TEN teams. Some would have beat PHI and some would have lost. All basically would have lost to NE. Essentially any Bills team of the past would be between 6-1 and 4-3. 

[Mark92]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

The most irresponsible trade, was when McDermott decided to trade down, instead of taking Mahomes or Watson. Also, our current GM has traded up every year. Whether it was for Allen and Edmunds, or Zay Jones (hi Ju Ju Smith Schuster).... but let's not trade for a guy like AJ Greene, because that would be irresponsible..ok McDermott. 

They tell us all the time that they want to build this thing through the draft.  The only outlier is if they see value in adding talent.  Adding AJ Green would obviously help the offense but not worth giving up premium picks.  Would you rather have AJ Green for 2 years or a legit CB to play opposite White?  Or how about a DT who can run block?  Or a DE that can get sacks?  Or a 21 year old 1st round receiver?  This team still has holes and you can't give up multiple premium picks to fill one hole.