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Artem Lipatov

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He improved his accuracy in short and medium ropes. But his long shots are all underthrown or overthrown. Not only today picks . I can remember only 1 long TD pass by air in 4 games - to Smoke in Jets game. 

Last year he had several long passes to Foster and completion to Zay for 63 yards by air (next gen stats)

 

In draft his best advantage was cannon arm.  I rooted for this draft pick watching his college highlights for 50-60 yards bombs. Where is it now ?

 

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1 minute ago, Artem Lipatov said:

He improved his accuracy in short and medium ropes. But his long shots are all underthrown or overthrown. Not only today picks . I can remember only 1 long TD pass by air in 4 games - to Smoke in Jets game. 

Last year he had several long passes to Foster and completion to Zay for 63 yards by air (next gen stats)

 

In draft his best advantage was cannon arm.  I rooted for this draft pick watching his college highlights for 50-60 yards bombs. Where is it now ?

 

His throw to Sweeney absolutely should have been a TD......he should have plucked that away from the defender

 

In this game the long throws were bad.....the WR he was throwing to also has not business running that route

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1 minute ago, Artem Lipatov said:

He improved his accuracy in short and medium ropes. But his long shots are all underthrown or overthrown. Not only today picks . I can remember only 1 long TD pass by air in 4 games - to Smoke in Jets game. 

Last year he had several long passes to Foster and completion to Zay for 63 yards by air (next gen stats)

 

In draft his best advantage was cannon arm.  I rooted for this draft pick watching his college highlights for 50-60 yards bombs. Where is it now ?

 

 

He spent so much on the short game that i think he took his deep ball for granted. He definitely needs to work on it and stop throwing off his back foot.

 

 

 

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Just now, Bubba Gump said:

They threw deep to Zay 3 times today. He is not our deep guy and is slow and was overthrown because of that. I have no clue why he is running the deep routes. 

 

Zay needs to be inactive - just not an NFL quality reciever

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6 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

My faith in Allen is growing less and less every game.  Accuracy is definitely an issue and if he keeps running like he is it’s just a matter of time before he is out with a major injury. 

He is completely reckless with the ball- promises to learn his lesson but never does-  I want him to be the guy but growing wary 

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15 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

They threw deep to Zay 3 times today. He is not our deep guy and is slow and was overthrown because of that. I have no clue why he is running the deep routes. 

 

Uhm, the INT was on an under thrown ball to a relatively slow WR who had beaten the coverage.

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Yeah, it's really frustrating because the deep ball should have been at least as good if not better than last year. I really thought having Brown and Foster and Beasley would open up the deep ball. But, so far this year, his throws have been really off. Today's game, the underthrow to Zay was bad, more because he didn't see the defender watching him. Now, I also put that on Zay because he was watching it the whole way and didn't do a dang thing to even try breaking it up or tackling. Pathetic. Now, the short throws have really improved especially adding Beasley and Brown. Perhaps more practice on deep balls? I know I like practicing going balls deep!!!

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I agree for somebody who has a strong arm he is absolutely horrible on long throws. He is also making the same mistakes over and over again throwing off his back foot while running out of bounds. I am starting to question his intelligence. NASA we have a problem!!

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29 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

They threw deep to Zay 3 times today. He is not our deep guy and is slow and was overthrown because of that. I have no clue why he is running the deep routes. 

No idea why he is still on the roster.  Should have been cut.

 

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21 minutes ago, davspo said:

He is completely reckless with the ball- promises to learn his lesson but never does-  I want him to be the guy but growing wary 

He's showing why so many were qustioning him as a legit 1st round QB selection IMO.

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34 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

They threw deep to Zay 3 times today. He is not our deep guy and is slow and was overthrown because of that. I have no clue why he is running the deep routes. 


If you’re open, the QB should be able to get you the ball. It doesn’t matter if you’re the #3 WR or run a 4.5 instead of a 4.3.

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56 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said:

He improved his accuracy in short and medium ropes. But his long shots are all underthrown or overthrown. Not only today picks . I can remember only 1 long TD pass by air in 4 games - to Smoke in Jets game. 

Last year he had several long passes to Foster and completion to Zay for 63 yards by air (next gen stats)

 

In draft his best advantage was cannon arm.  I rooted for this draft pick watching his college highlights for 50-60 yards bombs. Where is it now ?

 

He his going to need to learn to get his feet set,  too many passes off one foot or falling backwards.  I still think he needs better surrounding talent,  including better protection and a true #1 WR.  I love the young TE Knox,  i think they need to use him more,  made one of the best receptions of this season today.  Zay does not look like a NFL WR,  too many drops and just has been huge disappointment since being drafted in second round. I think they may be able to get Green from the Bengals for a 4th or 3rd and that could help, not sure about tackles who have not been good this season.

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36 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Uhm, the INT was on an under thrown ball to a relatively slow WR who had beaten the coverage.

 

Oh, you mean the throw Zay gave up on and didn't bother trying to break it up? Yeah, that one was underthrown a bit, and was a pathetic display of Zay bailing out instead of trying to break it up.

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The OP is 100 percent correct. His deep throwing has been horrible this season. All misses so far. No drops by the receivers on any of those throws either.

Just now, Bubba Gump said:

 

Oh, you mean the throw Zay gave up on and didn't bother trying to break it up? Yeah, that one was underthrown a bit, and was a pathetic display of Zay bailing out instead of trying to break it up.

No, he has been horrible all season. He is something like 0-10 with two picks on deep/bomb throws. None have been catchable.

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7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The OP is 100 percent correct. His deep throwing has been horrible this season. All misses so far. No drops by the receivers on any of those throws either.

No, he has been horrible all season. He is something like 0-10 with two picks on deep/bomb throws. None have been catchable.

 

I know, it's quite disturbing. He was money on deep balls last year.

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7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The OP is 100 percent correct. His deep throwing has been horrible this season. All misses so far. No drops by the receivers on any of those throws either.

No, he has been horrible all season. He is something like 0-10 with two picks on deep/bomb throws. None have been catchable.

Even the connection he had with John Brown deep over the middle.... I wanna say the Giants game. Had he not had to jump to catch the ball he would have scored. The deep ball has been abysmal

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1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I think it’s decision making more than anything.  Defenses still have to respect his arm strength.  Just keep the chains moving.  Stop looking for highlight plays all the time.  

 

Was going to say something like this. There’s nothing wrong with drinking and dunking to move the chains. Brady’s been doing that his whole career. Mahomes has changed the way people perceive a quarterback should play with all his highlight reel throws. Thing is, he has the talent surrounding him that makes it possible to put up those big plays. Josh does not. 

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1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

He spent so much on the short game that i think he took his deep ball for granted. He definitely needs to work on it and stop throwing off his back foot.

 

 

 

 

In todays game - he was throwing the deep ball under duress - hence as you mention off his back foot.  The deep ball needs to be thrown when you can properly deploy good mechanics.  It's just part of the process of watching a young QB learn I suppose. 

 

There's so much to like about him and I think he gets there. 

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Just now, White Linen said:

 

In todays game - he was throwing the deep ball under duress - hence as you mention off his back foot.  The deep ball needs to be thrown when you can properly deploy good mechanics.  It's just part of the process of watching a young QB learn I suppose. 

 

There's so much to like about him and I think he gets there. 

 

The 1st and 2nd interceptions he had all day to throw.

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4 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

In todays game - he was throwing the deep ball under duress - hence as you mention off his back foot.  The deep ball needs to be thrown when you can properly deploy good mechanics.  It's just part of the process of watching a young QB learn I suppose. 

 

There's so much to like about him and I think he gets there. 

Throwing the deep ball under duress is going to be common in a "short to long" progression.

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25 minutes ago, vincec said:

He has no touch on the deep balls. You can't just gun them downfield. He needs work on that, but that's probably for the off season.

 

Oftentimes he doesn’t put enough air under it which allows his WR to run under the ball or adjust their route to accommodate a less than perfect throw. He just fires it down field like a bazooka.

 

He doesn’t have to be Jeff Blake but damn Josh, put some air on those throws.

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2 hours ago, Artem Lipatov said:

He improved his accuracy in short and medium ropes. But his long shots are all underthrown or overthrown. Not only today picks . I can remember only 1 long TD pass by air in 4 games - to Smoke in Jets game. 

Last year he had several long passes to Foster and completion to Zay for 63 yards by air (next gen stats)

 

In draft his best advantage was cannon arm.  I rooted for this draft pick watching his college highlights for 50-60 yards bombs. Where is it now ?

 

He needs to get more air under them and throw more of a rainbow so his receiver can run under it. He zips it in there too hard and if he’s not super accurate it just flies over wrs head. On a fly route if the ball is accurate it would be a tough catch any way  because of the angle. 

 

It seems like he only throws the rainbow about 15 yards down field to the sideline. Idk why he won’t do it any deeper

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1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

The OP is 100 percent correct. His deep throwing has been horrible this season. All misses so far. No drops by the receivers on any of those throws either.

No, he has been horrible all season. He is something like 0-10 with two picks on deep/bomb throws. None have been catchable.

 

 

The one John Brown caught for the game winning TD in NJ was generously called a "back shoulder" throw the TV play-by-play guy when it was just a wounded duck thrown in the general direction of the WR.    

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A couple guys I know who are Pats fans have seen Josh Allen only twice now. The Pats games of course.  They think he is one of the worst QBs they have ever seen.  I’m trying to defend the guy.  I thought he was pretty average to below against Cinci.  I thought he sucked today.  Our receivers aren’t the greatest either but he misses dudes all the time. Cmon man, he’s better than this 

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19 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The one John Brown caught for the game winning TD in NJ was generously called a "back shoulder" throw the TV play-by-play guy when it was just a wounded duck thrown in the general direction of the WR.    

 

I do remember chuckling when he said that....

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3 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

They threw deep to Zay 3 times today. He is not our deep guy and is slow and was overthrown because of that. I have no clue why he is running the deep routes. 

Exactly....Zay should be only used on short/ intermediate possession routes. Never use him for fly routes or hitch n go. Brown & Foster only Dabol....

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