I don't like Josh Rosen but I feel bad for him

[Inigo Montoya]

I can't imagine what it's like to be Josh Rosen right now.  He was traded from last year's most dysfunctional team to this year's even worse dysfunctional team.   Talk about "out of the frying pan and into the fire...."   At some point he is going to get thrown onto the field in Miami and he is going to get destroyed.  He knows it, his family knows it, and the Dolphin's front office knows it.  At least Fitz can scramble, Rosen is a statue.  He's like a dead man walking right now.  This season is going to make his year in Arizona look like a day at the spa.

 

I don't like Josh Rosen.  I don't know why.  I guess he was just on the wrong side of that fine line between confident and cocky or confident and jerk to me.   He just struck me as an entitled rich kid, the kind that I grew up around and couldn't stand.  The kind of kid who pulled up to school on their 16th birthday in a new Audi and acted like they had done something to deserve it because their father was a doctor.  He just exuded that vibe to me.  Maybe I'm wrong and he's a great guy.   Who knows?

 

Either way, I don't think he will get a third chance in this league and he'll be out of the league at the end of his rookie contract, maybe even before.   He will have to live with the title of "1st Round NFL Bust"  attached to his name for the rest of his life.  I can see him going the Ryan Leaf route and self destructing along the way.

 

He is going to walk away with a lot of money in his pocket and still be absolutely miserable.

 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Inigo Montoya

[NewEra]

Me too.  Might be karma for looking so douchey all the time but the kid has had zero chance to succeed so far 

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I can't imagine what it's like to be Josh Rosen right now.  He was traded from last year's most dysfunctional team to this year's even worse dysfunctional team.   Talk about "out of the frying pan and into the fire...."   At some point he is going to get thrown onto the field in Miami and he is going to get destroyed.  He knows it, his family knows it, and the Dolphin's front office knows it.  He's like a dead man walking right now.  This season is going to make his year in Arizona look like a day at the spa.

 

I don't like Josh Rosen.  I don't know why.  I guess he was just on the wrong side of that fine line between confident and cocky or confident and jerk to me.   He just struck me as an entitled rich kid, the kind that I grew up around and couldn't stand.  The kind of kid who pulled up to school on their 16th birthday in a new Audi and acted like they had done something to deserve it because their father was a doctor.  He just exuded that vibe to me.  Maybe I'm wrong and he's a great guy.   Who knows?

 

Either way, I don't think he will get a third chance in this league and he'll be out of the league at the end of his rookie contract, maybe even before.   He will have to live with the title of "1st Round NFL Bust"  attached to his name for the rest of his life.  I can see him going the Ryan Leaf route and self destructing along the way.

Does he leave a note?

[The Wiz]

I disagree. He's got more of the cutler "don't care" face to me and baker is the type of attitude that is leaf. 

 

Yup whatever you say "doooooont caaaaare!" 

 

 

Everything else could be right. 

Edited September 17, 2019 by The Wiz

[poblano]

I can see him (wish him) more like Tommy Maddox several years ago, under the radar for some years and returning with some success

[BruceVilanch]

I see him as a high level backup at some point in his career.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I can't imagine what it's like to be Josh Rosen right now.  He was traded from last year's most dysfunctional team to this year's even worse dysfunctional team.   Talk about "out of the frying pan and into the fire...."   At some point he is going to get thrown onto the field in Miami and he is going to get destroyed.  He knows it, his family knows it, and the Dolphin's front office knows it.  He's like a dead man walking right now.  This season is going to make his year in Arizona look like a day at the spa.

 

I don't like Josh Rosen.  I don't know why.  I guess he was just on the wrong side of that fine line between confident and cocky or confident and jerk to me.   He just struck me as an entitled rich kid, the kind that I grew up around and couldn't stand.  The kind of kid who pulled up to school on their 16th birthday in a new Audi and acted like they had done something to deserve it because their father was a doctor.  He just exuded that vibe to me.  Maybe I'm wrong and he's a great guy.   Who knows?

 

Either way, I don't think he will get a third chance in this league and he'll be out of the league at the end of his rookie contract, maybe even before.   He will have to live with the title of "1st Round NFL Bust"  attached to his name for the rest of his life.  I can see him going the Ryan Leaf route and self destructing along the way.

 

He is going to walk away with a lot of money in his pocket and still be absolutely miserable.

 

Yeah I mean that whole 9 mistakes ahead of me line did him no favors, but I'm not sure anyone deserves the beating he's gotten/is going to get. On the other hand odds are after Miami spits him out as they take Tua he'll probably end up on the Patriots to cause us nightmares.

Just now, The Wiz said:

I disagree. He's got more of the cutler "don't care" face to me and baker is the type of attitude that is leaf. 

I think that might be getting beat into him I mean can you imagine a more not give a ***** environment than Miami, I'm pretty sure Fitz is just picking up another check on his Florida vacation, and all the talent on the team are jumping off the sinking ship like rats.

[Inigo Montoya]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I disagree. He's got more of the cutler "don't care" face to me and baker is the type of attitude that is leaf. 

 

Yup whatever you say "doooooont caaaaare!" 

 

 

Everything else could be right. 

 

Maybe you're right.  I just think that these guys who have been "The Man" ever since Pop Warner have a hard time when they flame out spectacularly.  What will make it worse for him is that he will know that he never really got a fair chance to succeed and that will be the thing that eats at him more than anything.  It's one thing to lose, it's another thing to be cheated.  I think it's a lot harder to let those ones go.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Maybe you're right.  I just think that these guys who have been "The Man" ever since Pop Warner have a hard time when they flame out spectacularly.  What will make it worse for him is that he will know that he never really got a fair chance to succeed and that will be the thing that eats at him more than anything.  It's one thing to lose, it's another thing to be cheated.  I think it's a lot harder to let those ones go.

Not for nothing being the 4th QB taken in the 1st round and somehow ending up on the shittiest NFL team 2 years running is some impressive bad luck.

[Punching Bag]

12 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

He is going to walk away with a lot of money in his pocket and still be absolutely miserable.

 

He needs to call Byrd and get a reference to his doctor.  Plantars Fakeitis looks real good right now.  It might make a difference in being able to walk next year.

[Doc Brown]

I can see Green Bay taking him on as a backup next season behind Rodgers.  That is assuming he's still alive after this season.

[Albany,n.y.]

I think he'll bust because the evidence when he was on the trade market was that the GMs around the league didn't want him & QBs are so well scouted at the pro level once there's film on him vs NFL players (as opposed to evaluating them in college where most of the players they're playing with and against won't ever play a down in ab real NFL game) that anyone with potential is overvalued, not undervalued.  When he was on the trade market the Dolphins were able to trade down & send a lower 2nd only after they recouped a 2nd in next years draft.  QBs who drop in value almost always bust.   The fact that Fitzpatrick is still starting over him after 2 horrible losses is pretty much a death knell for his career.  

 

Rosen will be fine when he leaves football.  He has other interests outside of football.  In fact, he might not have much more interest in football after the way he's been bounced around.   

[billsbackto81]

I don't follow Alabama. I hear a lot of people call Tua a bust in the making.

 

Compared to Tua,  is Rosen better or worse?

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I can see Green Bay taking him on as a backup next season behind Rodgers.  That is assuming he's still alive after this season.

 

Miami might want to keep him as cannon fodder until next years rookie QB gets ready.

By then he will have 3 years in the league.

 

But like you said "assuming he's still alive".

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

I don't follow Alabama. I hear a lot of people call Tua a bust in the making.

 

Compared to Tua,  is Rosen better or worse?

Only things I know about Tua is he came in the second half and one the championship for Alabama one year and he already has a robot foot.

[Reader]

54 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Maybe you're right.  I just think that these guys who have been "The Man" ever since Pop Warner have a hard time when they flame out spectacularly.  What will make it worse for him is that he will know that he never really got a fair chance to succeed and that will be the thing that eats at him more than anything.  It's one thing to lose, it's another thing to be cheated.  I think it's a lot harder to let those ones go.

 

I don't know, I mean with these athletes as soon as they have a narrative take place it is hard to shake it. Rosen was drafted and said he was going to make the 9 teams ahead of him regret it. Cocky, right? A year later Arizona fans on Reddit are talking about how much it sucks for Rosen and how during his time with Arizona Rosen embraced the community and was considered a good teammate.

 

When he was traded to the Dolphins his response was, "Well, it's not like I am some child soldier in Darfur. I've had it pretty good. I agree with you, it sucks for him, but maybe if we can justify not liking him then we don't have to feel that way. 

[Hellcamino]

I don't feel bad for him at all. He said it himself after the Draft,  "At least I didn't wind up Cleveland or Buffalo"

[dollars 2 donuts]

6 hours ago, Hellcamino said:

I don't feel bad for him at all. He said it himself after the Draft,  "At least I didn't wind up Cleveland or Buffalo"

 

 

Thank you.

 

I spend none of my time feeling bad for d***s.  He was a d*** before, a d*** after, but hopefully won’t be one forever.

 

This is coming from someone who wanted him, before I found out more about him.

 

EDIT:  and for all get out, my opinion of him has absolutely nothing to do with his politics, some of which I believe in myself.

Edited September 17, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts

[JoeF]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I can see Green Bay taking him on as a backup next season behind Rodgers.  That is assuming he's still alive after this season.

 

I think you nailed it Doc...one of the Sean McVay disciples will pursue him and try to resurrect him.   I may be in the small minority but I do believe he will show something this year.  Something may be a high 70's Quarterback Rating and a 10+ Passing TD Year.  I think being around Fitz day to day will help him immensely. 

 

The roster is bad-- but they drafted some good OL talent -- OT Prince from Ohio State and G Dieter from WI.  He has Parker and Drake--despite the purge there is some young talent on O...Its a 3-13 or worse roster but there is something to work with.

 

On D....Yikes....

[Nihilarian]

I don't feel bad for the guy at all! He was born with a silver spoon as his family is rich. He was given every chance to succeed in college and yet he wasn't a winner. His teammates couldn't stand him as he was an arrogant prick. Hot tub in his dorm room...

 

Look at the team Josh Allen was on last season and he made the best of it and came out better for it. If Rosen is worth anything he will take any opportunity to play to develop his craft. Yeah, he will probably have a new HC next season in Miami and perhaps it will be an offensive mind. If he lives that long 

 

Just remember that 90% of this board wanted to draft Rosen and hated the Allen pick...what about now!

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I'll be totally honest...I had it rated Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson. 

 

But I also really don't watch much college football at all so that was really off some very small samples.

 

I think I was also swayed by Rosen's "F Trump" hat though. 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

I don't feel bad for the guy at all! He was born with a silver spoon as his family is rich. He was given every chance to succeed in college and yet he wasn't a winner. His teammates couldn't stand him as he was an arrogant prick. Hot tub in his dorm room...

 

Look at the team Josh Allen was on last season and he made the best of it and came out better for it. If Rosen is worth anything he will take any opportunity to play to develop his craft. Yeah, he will probably have a new HC next season in Miami and perhaps it will be an offensive mind. If he lives that long 

 

Just remember that 90% of this board wanted to draft Rosen and hated the Allen pick...what about now!

 

Really 90% of the board?  Is that based on number of posts or posters?  You can actually count that high and do math to figure it out?

 

BS!

[Buddo]

I hope Rosen has success somewhere, just not Miami (or the Cheats for that matter).

 

Irrespective of anything people might think about his personality, the bottom line is that he has been given no choice in how he's been handled. If he is successful at a later date - and I do hope he is - he could become the poster boy for how not to handle a QB prospect.

 

It should also be an object lesson for guys who want to join the NFL, especially early, in a 'this is the sort of crap that can happen to you' way. i.e. the NFL will happily chew you up and spit you out without a by your leave or thankyou.

[Boca BIlls]

Let me see.... Nope don't feel one bit bad for him.

[No_Matter_What]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Really 90% of the board?  Is that based on number of posts or posters?  You can actually count that high and do math to figure it out?

 

BS!

Nobody can obviously say exact number.

 

But in general Nihilarian is right. Find the draft thread and the moment we were on the clock and we new it was going to be either Josh. Also look at posts shortly after selection. There were like 30-40 posts screaming Rosen a IIRC only Nihilarian and maybe one other guy said Allen is better choice.

 

I think it was quite a clear indication what fans thought at that time. 

Edited September 17, 2019 by No_Matter_What

[ProcessTruster]

Well, given the franchises he's been with, we'll probably never know if he would have been any good.  Give him JP Losman's number.   they can trade notes.  

[Not at the table Karlos]

4 hours ago, Hellcamino said:

I don't feel bad for him at all. He said it himself after the Draft,  "At least I didn't wind up Cleveland or Buffalo"

When did he say that? Don’t remember hearing it and quick google search didn’t come up with anything

[eball]

It's very difficult for me to "feel bad" for an extremely well-off kid who has lived a charmed life to this point.  Yes, his NFL career doesn't look so hot right now, but he's already pocketing enough dough that he will be nicely set up for life and as others have noted, he is a guy with a lot of interests outside of football.

 

He'll be fine.

[Royale with Cheese]

"Man, what time's this game over?  I wanna go home and get about 5 episodes of Stranger Things in before bed."

 

[MrEpsYtown]

If you look at his college career and NFL career so far, he really is a victim of circumstance. But he will hang around the league for a while. 

[GunnerBill]

I feel for him. I always liked him - attitude and all. He has the kind of chip on his shoulder that I like. He has been handled really badly by successive teams and his chances of suceeding now are low. I don't think he has failed because of him though.

[billsfan1959]

I am not a Rosen hater and I think he does have the talent to succeed in the NFL. Unfortunately, all along the way, he has presented himself in a way that makes it difficult to root for him - and, even worse for him - he has found himself in the worse possible circumstances for a young QB to succeed.

 

I wouldn't say I feel sorry for him. It's life. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. It is how you respond that most often defines you. 

 

Of course, most of us don't walk away from a failed effort financially well off enough to pursue any other dreams or interests we may have...

[x-BillzeBubba]

7 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Not for nothing being the 4th QB taken in the 1st round and somehow ending up on the shittiest NFL team 2 years running is some impressive bad luck.

maybe...but he 'fell' to #10 all on his own by rubbing some teams the wrong way and Arizona didn't trade him because he was he was a great asset in their view 

Edited September 17, 2019 by x-BillzeBubba

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Quote

I don't like Josh Rosen but I feel bad for him

I don't. I'm glad to see karma get him. 

[freester]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

When did he say that? Don’t remember hearing it and quick google search didn’t come up with anything

He didn't that was pure fabrication

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Really 90% of the board?  Is that based on number of posts or posters?  You can actually count that high and do math to figure it out?

 

BS!

Actually it was more like 95% of the board because I can count on one hand the number of posters who were behind drafting Josh Allen before the draft and the majority of this board wanted the Bills to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft Josh Rosen. Some were even touting the Bills give up the 2018 farm and their 2019 first round pick too.

 

The only posters I can recall wanting to draft Allen before the draft were theBandit27, metzelaars_lives, myself and perhaps two others who's names I can't recall. 

 

YoloinOhio was touting Rosen so often that he stated he was "gut punched" when the Bills drafted Allen. This board was filled with Bills fans complaining about the Bills drafting Allen. One well known poster noted for his NFL player acumen stated that he had Allen as a third round draft pick because of his accuracy.

 

Looking at the sarcasm I suspect you were one of those who hated the Allen pick and are simply in denial now. 

[scribo]

7 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I disagree. He's got more of the cutler "don't care" face to me and baker is the type of attitude that is leaf. 

 

Yup whatever you say "doooooont caaaaare!" 

 

 

Everything else could be right. 

 

If he doesn't care, that's 100 times worse. I have to believe that he is more competitive than that to reach the levels he did in college.

 

No matter, I am so glad we didn't draft that Josh.

[PromoTheRobot]

You have to ask yourself if Rosen isn't good enough to play in the NFL, or has his s##tstorm of a career sabotaged it?

[MDH]

6 hours ago, Hellcamino said:

I don't feel bad for him at all. He said it himself after the Draft,  "At least I didn't wind up Cleveland or Buffalo"

 

I never saw this quote, do you have a link? I did a quick search and couldn’t find anything.

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Nobody can obviously say exact number.

 

But in general Nihilarian is right. Find the draft thread and the moment we were on the clock and we new it was going to be either Josh. Also look at posts shortly after selection. There were like 30-40 posts screaming Rosen a IIRC only Nihilarian and maybe one other guy said Allen is better choice.

 

I think it was quite a clear indication what fans thought at that time. 

Actually the vitriol and obnoxious nature of the Rosen backers made me not respond. Those who like Rosen thought a guy could win 7 super bowls and also "change the world". I was not in love with Allen because I knew he would take some time but I did not want Rosen at all, he is not physically good enough to be a great pro.