John Wawrow: "better chance of the Bills moving up for a player than moving back"

[BuffaloRebound]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

So you think Beane works out a deal with his old pal Gettleman and gets to 6 for Eddie O?

 

Giants drop to 9 and take Lock?

 

Cant see it.  If you like a QB, you don’t get cute for an extra 3rd rounder and risk somebody coming up and grabbing him.  If Oliver is available at 6, there’s a good shot he’s available at 9.  Jax is taking Hockenson or O-Line.  Detroit pick could go a bunch of different ways.  

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This makes a ton of sense. 9 and the Bills 3rd and a 4th for 6?

I don't disagree that the Bills covet Oliver but why give up picks to move up to get him when there is a good chance that he will still be on the board when we pick. What increases the chances that he will still be on the board is that a qb or two or maybe three might be targeted before we pick thus increasing the odds that he or another highly rate player will still be available. If he isn't on the board when our turn comes up that will still good options on the line at other positions that will also fortify the roster. 

 

If the Bills were inclined to deal off picks I would rather they do it to move up after our first round selection to get a higher graded player for other positions, such as RB, OL or TE. 

[Jpsredemption]

Let’s keep lighting draft picks on fire. 

[Logic]

31 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

I worry that Eddie has bust potential

Everybody has bust potential.

[BillyWhiteShows]

Just now, Logic said:

Everybody has bust potential.

Eddie seems like he had high bust potential....maybe its just me

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

Everybody has bust potential.

The more elite players we can have, the better

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

Eddie seems like he had high bust potential....maybe its just me

It'd be cool if you could explain WHY he has a higher bust potential than the other prospects.

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I don't disagree that the Bills covet Oliver but why give up picks to move up to get him when there is a good chance that he will still be on the board when we pick. What increases the chances that he will still be on the board is that a qb or two or maybe three might be targeted before we pick thus increasing the odds that he or another highly rate player will still be available. If he isn't on the board when our turn comes up that will still good options on the line at other positions that will also fortify the roster. 

 

If the Bills were inclined to deal off picks I would rather they do it to move up after our first round selection to get a higher graded player for other positions, such as RB, OL or TE. 

They love Oliver. There is a chance that he is their top overall player. They certainly aren’t using 10 picks. They won’t even use 7 imo. These picks are there to move around. They don’t have a ton of spots. Oliver is an absolute stud at a position of need. If they are as high on him as I suspect they have no issue moving up. 

[Boatdrinks]

11 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I don't disagree that the Bills covet Oliver but why give up picks to move up to get him when there is a good chance that he will still be on the board when we pick. What increases the chances that he will still be on the board is that a qb or two or maybe three might be targeted before we pick thus increasing the odds that he or another highly rate player will still be available. If he isn't on the board when our turn comes up that will still good options on the line at other positions that will also fortify the roster. 

 

If the Bills were inclined to deal off picks I would rather they do it to move up after our first round selection to get a higher graded player for other positions, such as RB, OL or TE. 

Beane and even McD in his first draft have displayed a willingness to move up for specific players rather than letting the draft fall to them. Whether you agree with the strategy - there was likely a chance the players would be available in their original spots- or not, it fits in with Wawrow’s response. If they are comfortable with the price to move up, it seems a likely scenario. 

[MrEpsYtown]

3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

going from nine to 2 ??

 ouch

 

It's going to take a good amount, but you are getting the top player in the draft. 2 elite players in the this draft in Bosa and Williams. SF just seems like a team that would want to trade down idk. Tampa makes sense too. 

[TigerJ]

5 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Y’all can now issue me your apologies. I’ll be gracious in acceptance.

You'll have to wait a few weeks.  Even then, it's still a big "if"

[Aussie Joe]

8 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

It's going to take a good amount, but you are getting the top player in the draft. 2 elite players in the this draft in Bosa and Williams. SF just seems like a team that would want to trade down idk. Tampa makes sense too. 

 

So 9, 40, 2020 first and 2021 second should just about do it to go from 9 to 2..

 

Bosa and Williams had better be the next Bruce Smith for that haul..

Edited March 30, 2019 by Aussie Joe

[BuffaloRebound]

14 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

It's going to take a good amount, but you are getting the top player in the draft. 2 elite players in the this draft in Bosa and Williams. SF just seems like a team that would want to trade down idk. Tampa makes sense too. 

 

I can buy this more than trading up 2-3 spots for a guy 6 teams already passed on.  Good chance that guy falls to you at 9.  If they think Williams is the best player in the draft and Arizona takes the QB, and the 49ers and Jets take pass rushers because they’ve drafted top 5 DT’s the past couple drafts and Bosa/Allen are elite pass rushers.  Raiders might be willing to trade down.  

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

Out of curiosity, other than the clip of McDermott at the pro day, what else have they done to show their overwhelming interest in Oliver? 

 

I'm a huge Oliver fan, and want him the most in the first, so I'm just asking seriously.

He is scheduled to visit the Bills twice. They only get 30 total. 

33 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

Let’s keep lighting draft picks on fire. 

I would be happy to light Ray Ray on fire and throw in Austin Proehl too. Should have used those two picks and moved up in the 5th

[Reed83HOF]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They love Oliver. There is a chance that he is their top overall player. They certainly aren’t using 10 picks. They won’t even use 7 imo. These picks are there to move around. They don’t have a ton of spots. Oliver is an absolute stud at a position of need. If they are as high on him as I suspect they have no issue moving up. 

His athleticism is something McD & Beane covet. The 40, 3 cone, shuttle, etc indicate an astounding athlete and his film is damn good too.

 

Allen & Edmunds are the same type of specimens.

Edited March 30, 2019 by Reed83HOF

[BringBackFergy]

All the same experts on this board that loved Josh Rosen (who is being shipped out of Arizona after one year) are telling us we are moving up for Oliver. I’ll reserve judgment based on their whiff on last year’s QB projection. Don’t believe the hype. Beane giving away a 3rd and 4th round pick to move up 3 spots??? Think again. 

[BillsFan17]

7 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

All the same experts on this board that loved Josh Rosen (who is being shipped out of Arizona after one year) are telling us we are moving up for Oliver. I’ll reserve judgment based on their whiff on last year’s QB projection. Don’t believe the hype. Beane giving away a 3rd and 4th round pick to move up 3 spots??? Think again. 

Honestly, there is zero way Rosen being moved is on him. Anyone using that to gauge Rosen is not seeing the forest through the trees. The Cards are absolutely stupid for this.

Edited March 30, 2019 by BillsFan17

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

All the same experts on this board that loved Josh Rosen (who is being shipped out of Arizona after one year) are telling us we are moving up for Oliver. I’ll reserve judgment based on their whiff on last year’s QB projection. Don’t believe the hype. Beane giving away a 3rd and 4th round pick to move up 3 spots??? Think again. 

I have no idea if they are moving up for Oliver, but I liked Allen before the draft and I also like Oliver.

[MrEpsYtown]

I love Bosa, Williams, Allen, Oliver. If we get one of those guys I will be ecstatic. 

25 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

So 9, 40, 2020 first and 2021 second should just about do it to go from 9 to 2..

 

Bosa and Williams had better be the next Bruce Smith for that haul..

 

I'd probably do it, I have a hard time giving up 40, but I'm fine with the rest. But I do think San Francisco might take a player like Zay Jones or even Trent Murphy (Stanford connection) in a trade in place of a pick. I think they want to trade down for a guy like Greedy Williams and in doing so can get the pick they traded for Dee Ford back and then some. But yeah I'd take Bosa, and I think he will be at least as good as his brother, probably better and a perfect fit in McDermott's system imo. 

[ndirish1978]

4 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

I'll suck some D to get Bosa and Hock

 

4 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

You’re not fooling anyone, Mister...we all know you would do it for free...?

 

#alittletooeager

 

Pretty sure @JaCrispy has a Kiko Alonso jersey he's willing to part with... just sayin'

Edited March 30, 2019 by ndirish1978

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Jpsredemption said:

Let’s keep lighting draft picks on fire. 

I dont agree with jp much.....but I do here

 

It costs too much to move up in the top 10 unless its for a QB.......I have NO problem moving back up into the 1st round because that will cost a lot less and 10 draft picks is a lot

[Coach Tuesday]

21 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I love Bosa, Williams, Allen, Oliver. If we get one of those guys I will be ecstatic. 

 

I'd probably do it, I have a hard time giving up 40, but I'm fine with the rest. But I do think San Francisco might take a player like Zay Jones or even Trent Murphy (Stanford connection) in a trade in place of a pick. I think they want to trade down for a guy like Greedy Williams and in doing so can get the pick they traded for Dee Ford back and then some. But yeah I'd take Bosa, and I think he will be at least as good as his brother, probably better and a perfect fit in McDermott's system imo. 

 

You would trade next year’s first to move up for an interior lineman?  Really?  Has that ever happened in the history of the league?  I don’t know about this.  I’d much rather trade down and pick up extra picks on day 2.  Too many needs.  They still have to build a modern offense.  An interior lineman just doesn’t seem like enough value.

[Ronin]

6 hours ago, familykwi said:

Never heard of John Wawrow.  I hope he lacks creditability because we need to stop surrendering assets.

 

.Agree with you tho, if the do this then it shows that they have no idea where they are in the rebuilding process.  

It was bad enough that in a once every 20+ year draft they did what they did last year, but if they do it again it reveals that they're out of touch with what's going on insofar as the cmopetitiveness of the team that they've been entrusted with rebuilding.  

Edited March 30, 2019 by TaskersGhost

[PIZ]

I must be out of the loop.  I have never heard of Ed Oliver being referred to as Eddie.

 

 

[purple haze]

6 hours ago, familykwi said:

Never heard of John Wawrow.  I hope he lacks creditability because we need to stop surrendering assets.

Wawrow is an old school journalist.  If he put it out there he's heard something.   He would tell you if he was totally speculating.. Doesn't mean the Bills end up trading up, but he's most definitely credible.  And a friend of the board...

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

So 9, 40, 2020 first and 2021 second should just about do it to go from 9 to 2..

 

Bosa and Williams had better be the next Bruce Smith for that haul..

And if you think they are, you pull the trigger every time. 

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

You'll have to wait a few weeks.  Even then, it's still a big "if"

Nah, I realize nothing is certain.  Pull up that thread though and read the derision, the disdain etc. Now look at those same people here falling over themselves to jump on the bandwagon.

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

I don't disagree that the Bills covet Oliver but why give up picks to move up to get him when there is a good chance that he will still be on the board when we pick. What increases the chances that he will still be on the board is that a qb or two or maybe three might be targeted before we pick thus increasing the odds that he or another highly rate player will still be available. If he isn't on the board when our turn comes up that will still good options on the line at other positions that will also fortify the roster. 

 

If the Bills were inclined to deal off picks I would rather they do it to move up after our first round selection to get a higher graded player for other positions, such as RB, OL or TE. 

Take the best d lineman at 9.  Hopefully, 3 QBs get picked.  Trade up into the 20s and get the best skill player.  Hockenson, Font, Metcalf, Harry, Butler, Campbell, Brown and I think a sleeper Jacobs.  Idk how I would feel about a trade up for Rb.  Though he is the universal top rated Rb by every credible source.  

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, mikemac2001 said:

Off season is to long it was better when the draft was earlier 

Wouldn’t having the draft in January make the offseason seem even longer ? Anyway, I don’t remember the draft not being in April. 

[Aussie Joe]

32 minutes ago, K-9 said:

And if you think they are, you pull the trigger every time. 

 

Would love to see the melt down here if they gave up that haul..

 

Particularly if the 49ers then pick Oliver at 9

Edited March 30, 2019 by Aussie Joe

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

You would trade next year’s first to move up for an interior lineman?  Really?  Has that ever happened in the history of the league?  I don’t know about this.  I’d much rather trade down and pick up extra picks on day 2.  Too many needs.  They still have to build a modern offense.  An interior lineman just doesn’t seem like enough value.

 

 

Yeah the reality is that with the *possible* exceptions of Morse and Beasley all of the holes they hope to have patched in UFA are going to need replacements very soon and now is the time to do it so they won't have to be forced into the starting lineup and cost the team games as they learn via trial by fire(like Edmunds in the SD game, for instance).  

 

The signing of those players in UFA hopefully alleviates the compulsion to reach for need in the draft..........and ideally the volume of picks and a BPA approach leads to the team finding many long term replacements.

Edited March 30, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Would love to see the melt down here if they have up that haul..

Oh, it would be a meltdown of China syndrome proportions. But GMs need the courage of their convictions, regardless.

[Happy]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah the reality is that with the *possible* exceptions of Morse and Beasley all of the holes they hope to have patched in UFA are going to need replacements very soon and now is the time to do it so they won't have to be forced into the starting lineup and cost the team games as they learn via trail by fire(like Edmunds in the SD game, for instance).  

 

The signing of those players in UFA hopefully alleviates the compulsion to reach for need in the draft..........and ideally the volume of picks and a BPA approach leads to the team finding many long term replacements.

 

Great point.  This ^^^ is why it makes no sense to leverage not only picks this year, but possibly future high round picks to get one guy when the needs that were patched by FA this year become needs again in two years.  McD and Beane should understand this.  I get the argument that not all 10 draft picks will make the team, but that happens every year.  Most will make the team and will grow to fill roles later this season or next.  Repeat the process in 2020 and beyond.  

[longtimebillsfan]

7 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Josh Allen please.

YES PLEASE PLEASE!!! 

[Delete This Account]

6 hours ago, JohnC said:

You stated that you usually don't posts opinions about the draft. That is in contrast to your copious thoughts on exotic beers. Your haughty sneering of the favored beers of the blue collar population that leans toward Miller and Bud is a an example how you set yourself apart in the upper balcony of the opera house. 

 

libel!

 

i’m a music snob.

 

beer? Blue and Guinness 

 

jw

[Delete This Account]

5 hours ago, Rockinon said:

Interesting how most people are taking this tweet and running with the assumption that the trade up is with our 1st pick. Could be they stay at 9 and trade up afterwards. And perhaps Wawrow is enjoying himself watching everyone salivate.

 

i’m not at all surprised how much this has taken off and been to some degree twisted to satisfy some folks’ narratives and hopes.

 

the significance of my initial tweet is, in reality, more of a tidbit and not five-alarm fire that came up during a recent conversation.

 

again, as i’ve posted here an on the tweeter: 

 

i dont know what chance of a trade will happen. simply, a trade up is more likely (odds? dunno) than down in first round.

 

jw

[Juror#8]

There’s an arms race in the Afc East. At least imo. I think this is the draft to add substance over volume. I hope Beane is focused on building around a core of exceptional talent. The squad is long on promise but short on exceptional talent. If you can get Bosa I think this is the year to mortgage some draft capital to do it. 

Edited March 30, 2019 by Juror#8

[Inigo Montoya]

14 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

i’m not at all surprised how much this has taken off and been to some degree twisted to satisfy some folks’ narratives and hopes.

 

the significance of my initial tweet is, in reality, more of a tidbit and not five-alarm fire that came up during a recent conversation.

 

I once started a donnybrook by wondering if the Jets were rope-a-doping everyone and were actually going to draft Barkley and not a QB last year.  You would have thought I wrapped the baby Jesus in Old Glory and set them both on fire.   

 

Such is life on the mean streets of Two Bills Drive.  An extended, wacky, mildly opinionated, dysfunctional family of Bill's Mafioso with just a sprinkling of trolls to keep life interesting.        : )

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2019 by Inigo Montoya

[Delete This Account]

9 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

I once started a donnybrook by wondering if the Jets were rope-a-doping everyone and were actually going to draft Barkley and not a QB last year.  You would have thought I wrapped the baby Jesus in Old Glory and set them both on fire.   

 

Such is life on the mean streets of Two Bills Drive.  An extended, wacky, mildly opinionated, dysfunctional family of Bill's Mafioso with just a sprinkling of trolls to keep life interesting.        : )

 

 

 

 

 

oh, i’m quite familiar with the place.

?

 

[Spiderweb]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

#9 + #40 + 2020 first to move up to #4 and select Christian Wilkins.

 

That would keep this board warm for a good year.

Too expensive...