Joe Marino (paraphrasing): "Bills will add an edge rusher in free agency in a 'creative' way"

[NewEraBills]

1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I think the creative approach is what we saw at the end of last year.

 

I believe we sign either Barr or Za'darious Smith. They play the LB spot and Zo slides to DE which slides Lawson to DT on passing downs. Lawson had some really nice success inside late last year. 

 

Smith would be better here as a DE, which is what he played at UK.  I don't see him as a 4-3 outside linebacker.

[billsredneck1]

On 3/4/2019 at 4:25 PM, Clyde Smith said:

Maybe a three way team trade. I dunno, throwing **** at the wall hoping it sticks.

send shaq to atlanta, sign grady jarrett then swap pick 9 for 14 and their 2nd.....then trade 14 to carolina for 16 and a 3rd.  draft sweat at 16 and ximines in the 3rd.

rotate murphy and lorax at end with sweat and oshane behind him and hughes.

 

boom...done...scary defense for years to come

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Who's Joe Mario? Bills don't leak anything so I have strong doubts.

[Clyde Smith]

32 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

send shaq to atlanta, sign grady jarrett then swap pick 9 for 14 and their 2nd.....then trade 14 to carolina for 16 and a 3rd.  draft sweat at 16 and ximines in the 3rd.

rotate murphy and lorax at end with sweat and oshane behind him and hughes.

 

boom...done...scary defense for years to come

I like Shaq, but that is a pretty clever scenario. I have no complaints at all.

[ctk232]

On 3/4/2019 at 12:02 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

Offense is by far the biggest deficiency, everyone can agree on that.  However, we have more than our pick at #9, in fact we have 9 more picks plus Free Agency (and potential trades) to address offensive holes.

 

So I don't think anyone is going to freak out if we took an elite prospect like Oliver at #9.  Adding a guy to elevate our #2 defense from last year into a potentially elite defense with a guy like Oliver joining our other young talent like Edmunds and Tre as well as our vets like Hyde, Poyer, Hughes, Star, etc would be great. 

 

So not sure why some people think everyone will melt down if we went D with the 9th pick.  Not sure how anyone would be mad at that.  

Exactly.

 

Might just be the symmetry of it, but if Edmunds continues to develop I love the idea of having an elite player at each level of our defense all at roughly the same age. If we're really building a team for the future, it always helps to have that reliable foundation filled by a player per position/skill group. And while I wouldn't hate either Harry or Jordan breaking out to be that guy on the DL (however likely/unlikely that may be), I wouldn't feel our 9th would be wasted in the least if we ultimately go with an exceptional DL talent (barring trade back considerations). Not to mention they would all be a year apart for planning out contract negotiations and cap considerations down the line. 

 

But I appreciate the step-back perspective to the offseason here. I get everyone is all hyped on the offensive need train, but we can't conflate that need with our 9th overall pick. In all honesty, should we stay put, I'm not sure there is an offensive player in this draft I'd take with the 9th pick over what defensive talent will likely still be there. Not to mention, the idea of White/Edmunds/Oliver or whoever shaping the foundation of our defense for the next however many years sounds really nice to me.

[Coach Tuesday]

41 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

send shaq to atlanta, sign grady jarrett then swap pick 9 for 14 and their 2nd.....then trade 14 to carolina for 16 and a 3rd.  draft sweat at 16 and ximines in the 3rd.

rotate murphy and lorax at end with sweat and oshane behind him and hughes.

 

boom...done...scary defense for years to come

 

See now that’s creative 

[billsredneck1]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

See now that’s creative 

hope i didn't blow the plan on them...

[Tipster19]

I’m doing this off an IPhone so I haven’t read all the responses, it’s too hard on the eyes but I have a question. Jadeveon Clowney was a FA but just got tagged. Does he still qualify as a potential FA target now that he got tagged or does this disqualify him as a potential FA target?

Edited March 6, 2019 by Tipster19

[freddyjj]

8 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I’m doing this off an IPhone so I haven’t read all the responses, it’s too hard on the eyes but I have a question. Jadeveon Clowney was a FA but just got tagged. Does he still qualify as a potential FA target now that he got tagged or does this disqualify him as a potential FA target?

If exclusive Franchise tag is used the player can not negotiate with another team. If non exclusive they can talk to other teams who would surrender 2 1st rd draft picks upon signing.  Not a likely scenario given contract $$ required. 

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

send shaq to atlanta, sign grady jarrett then swap pick 9 for 14 and their 2nd.....then trade 14 to carolina for 16 and a 3rd.  draft sweat at 16 and ximines in the 3rd.

rotate murphy and lorax at end with sweat and oshane behind him and hughes.

 

boom...done...scary defense for years to come

 

I have been saying since the start of Jan I don't think a trade back with Carolina (not necessarily with all the to and fro with Atlanta first of course) is that far fetched. They have a major need for a pass rusher and I can see them being worried about the ice getting thin.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Who's Joe Mario? Bills don't leak anything so I have strong doubts.

Dunkirk Don's 2nd nephew once removed ?? 

[Blokestradamus]

Is this the thread to announce that I've bulked up to 250 pounds and sorted out my passport?

 

Creative, indeed.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

Is this the thread to announce that I've bulked up to 250 pounds and sorted out my passport?

 

Creative, indeed.

 

Perhaps. A lot depends on what ‘bulked up’ really means 

[26TrapDraw]

On 3/5/2019 at 6:23 AM, Leonhart2017 said:

My ex-girlfriend?

Can she hold up at the point of attack? 

17 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

send shaq to atlanta, sign grady jarrett then swap pick 9 for 14 and their 2nd.....then trade 14 to carolina for 16 and a 3rd.  draft sweat at 16 and ximines in the 3rd.

rotate murphy and lorax at end with sweat and oshane behind him and hughes.

 

boom...done...scary defense for years to come

You can't have that kind of intelligent forward thinking around here you're gonna hurt someone. The hell's a matter with you!??

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Is there a more Sean McDermott player than Christian Wilkins? If he's the guy he's wearing the 'C' within a year. Great guy to have on and off the field. 

 

[YoloinOhio]

15 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Is there a more Sean McDermott player than Christian Wilkins? If he's the guy he's wearing the 'C' within a year. Great guy to have on and off the field. 

 

He’s on my All-McDermott DNA mock draft along with Terry McLaurin, Rock Ya-Sin and Ben Powers

[The Jokeman]

On 3/4/2019 at 12:21 PM, DCOrange said:

On the most recent episode of the Locked on Bills podcast, around 16 minutes in he starts talking about edge rushers and said that he can't divulge specific names, but he's been told that Buffalo will be taking a run at addressing the edge rusher position in "creative ways" this offseason, specifically to plan for the future at the position.

He also specified that they will not pursue Clowney.

 

I'm guessing this means they'll be making sort of an under-the-radar dart throw of a signing to see if they happen to get lucky and get a guy to breakout. Wouldn't be surprised if maybe it's one of their former Panther guys: Kony Ealy. Seems like people could make an argument that Anthony Barr would be a "creative" approach to adding an edge rusher too since he's been mostly an off-ball LB to this point.

Ealy's been available before and we never showed much interest. In terms of looking to creative ways, and agree that we could go Barr and use him (or Lorax) as an edge rusher this year and then have Barr replace Lorax after he retires or could do something similar with a guy like Aaron Lynch for less money. 

[ndirish1978]

This is the ultimate click-bait. Says something we know to be true - we will need to address the pass rush and says the solution will be "creative" which he can attribute to anything. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

This is the ultimate click-bait. Says something we know to be true - we will need to address the pass rush and says the solution will be "creative" which he can attribute to anything. 

Well he didn’t tweet it out. It was said during his podcast. So anyone who heard it would have already “clicked”, per se 

[ndirish1978]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Well he didn’t tweet it out. It was said during his podcast. So anyone who heard it would have already “clicked”, per se 

 

You're right, my comment wasn't fair. 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s on my All-McDermott DNA mock draft along with Terry McLaurin, Rock Ya-Sin and Ben Powers

I like the idea of All McDermott DNA team lol

 

Dalton Risner and Chris Lindstrom are making that team.

[Jauronimo]

I think this is converting Logan Thomas to EDGE/OLB and installing packages for Allen as situational pass rusher. 

[ndirish1978]

25 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

I like the idea of All McDermott DNA team lol

 

Dalton Risner and Chris Lindstrom are making that team.

 

I would be thrilled to get both of them. Unfortunately it seems like they are both getting picked in the same range.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

On 3/4/2019 at 9:49 AM, Cripple Creek said:

Well, signing a meh guy and selling him as the answer doesn't seem very creative (except on getting buy in from the fan base, that would be a creative sales job).

Draft White, move Edmunds.

I was actually thinking about this yesterday. I think Edmunds would flourish at OLB... and White is unreal in abilities and MLB play. Faster than most TEs also

Edited March 6, 2019 by MakeBuffaloGreatAgain

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s on my All-McDermott DNA mock draft along with Terry McLaurin, Rock Ya-Sin and Ben Powers

Did you see his you tube of cooking

 

This guy would fit right in here

[ChanticleerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s on my All-McDermott DNA mock draft along with Terry McLaurin, Rock Ya-Sin and Ben Powers

I like that “all McDermott DNA” mock. How about adding Risner to that list and Deebo Samuel

[FluffHead]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

I think this is converting Logan Thomas to EDGE/OLB and installing packages for Allen as situational pass rusher. 

Beane saw the pro bowl and took note when Saquan and Kamara were rushing the passer. Mckittrick has been working the pass rushing drills. 

Edited March 6, 2019 by FluffHead

[MAJBobby]

On 3/4/2019 at 12:21 PM, DCOrange said:

On the most recent episode of the Locked on Bills podcast, around 16 minutes in he starts talking about edge rushers and said that he can't divulge specific names, but he's been told that Buffalo will be taking a run at addressing the edge rusher position in "creative ways" this offseason, specifically to plan for the future at the position.

He also specified that they will not pursue Clowney.

 

I'm guessing this means they'll be making sort of an under-the-radar dart throw of a signing to see if they happen to get lucky and get a guy to breakout. Wouldn't be surprised if maybe it's one of their former Panther guys: Kony Ealy. Seems like people could make an argument that Anthony Barr would be a "creative" approach to adding an edge rusher too since he's been mostly an off-ball LB to this point.

Figured I would bump this with the new report of Bills interested in Frank Clark from Seattle.  Working a trade for a Franchised player isn't really creative though and has been done in the past

Edited March 8, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Not at the table Karlos]

On 3/6/2019 at 6:54 AM, freddyjj said:

If exclusive Franchise tag is used the player can not negotiate with another team. If non exclusive they can talk to other teams who would surrender 2 1st rd draft picks upon signing.  Not a likely scenario given contract $$ required. 

You can also discuss other compensation with the team without signing player to offer sheet. 

[ndirish1978]

36 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Figured I would bump this with the new report of Bills interested in Frank Clark from Seattle.  Working a trade for a Franchised player isn't really creative though and has been done in the past

 

It's not done consistently, which would make it creative. He didn't say it was unique.

Edited March 8, 2019 by ndirish1978

[whatdrought]

39 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Figured I would bump this with the new report of Bills interested in Frank Clark from Seattle.  Working a trade for a Franchised player isn't really creative though and has been done in the past

 

Creative might just mean, not signing a direct FA. 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

I think too much attention has gone to this word 'creative' that he threw in at one point. I came away from it feeling that the main thrust of what he was saying was 'hey, they have a specific plan to address the pass rush, I've even heard a name but can't share it. Stay tuned' kind of thing

[without a drought]

I thought creative meant a guy who played 2 games over the last 2 seasons but had a decent season 4 years ago.

[bilzfancy]

Instead of trading picks for a pass rusher, why not just sign a younger Trey Flowers?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

What was the purpose of paying Trent Murphy at this point? Stop wasting top assets on the defense. The defense is good. It’s built. Move on. The rest of the team is a wasteland. Fix the offense and STs. Forget about the defense for a bit.

[poblano]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

What was the purpose of paying Trent Murphy at this point? Stop wasting top assets on the defense. The defense is good. It’s built. Move on. The rest of the team is a wasteland. Fix the offense and STs. Forget about the defense for a bit.

No. This defense is far to be really good, is at the top half of the league but with several deficiencies atop of those is the pass rush, interior and exterior, and stop the run but Clark don't bring that, so that situation still to be solved and don't discount the top of the draft(assuming the Clark deal is done)

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

What was the purpose of paying Trent Murphy at this point? Stop wasting top assets on the defense. The defense is good. It’s built. Move on. The rest of the team is a wasteland. Fix the offense and STs. Forget about the defense for a bit.

Amen to that. Stop obsessing over an already top 5 defense and fix this offense. I'll give you Clark and 1 DT and the rest better be OL, WR, TE etc....

[34-78-83]

Both sides need to be addressed each year. Plenty of cap room and picks available. Pass rush is a need and a priority.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

7 hours ago, poblano said:

No. This defense is far to be really good, is at the top half of the league but with several deficiencies atop of those is the pass rush, interior and exterior, and stop the run but Clark don't bring that, so that situation still to be solved and don't discount the top of the draft(assuming the Clark deal is done)

The defense was top 3 in the league last year and the biggest issue is the passiveness of the DC. If they want to change that and let Mcd be the DC, I’m all for it. Stop wasting all these top line assets on the only unit on the team that’s good. We have probably the 2nd or 3rd best secondary in football. Excellent young Safety’s. 3 corners that have pro bowl potential and the oldest of them is in year 3. Two amazingly athletic LBs. An veteran utility player that can do almost anything you ask of him including rush the passer. The most underrated Bill of the last decade and a top 10 pass rusher in Jerry Hughes. Star, Harry and Phillips inside....And we just paid Murphy. We do not need any more defense. We need almost everything else. Move on and fix the rest of the team. Score some points. No Barr, No Clark, do not waste a pick in the first 4 rounds on Defense. Fix the offense and the special teams.

[Magox]

14 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The defense was top 3 in the league last year and the biggest issue is the passiveness of the DC. If they want to change that and let Mcd be the DC, I’m all for it. Stop wasting all these top line assets on the only unit on the team that’s good. We have probably the 2nd or 3rd best secondary in football. Excellent young Safety’s. 3 corners that have pro bowl potential and the oldest of them is in year 3. Two amazingly athletic LBs. An veteran utility player that can do almost anything you ask of him including rush the passer. The most underrated Bill of the last decade and a top 10 pass rusher in Jerry Hughes. Star, Harry and Phillips inside....And we just paid Murphy. We do not need any more defense. We need almost everything else. Move on and fix the rest of the team. Score some points. No Barr, No Clark, do not waste a pick in the first 4 rounds on Defense. Fix the offense and the special teams.

 

The defense is good but they weren't as good as the overall ranking suggests.  The red zone defense was bad and they need to be able to generate more pass pressure with the front 4.   Murphy was signed on with the hopes that he would help with the pass pressure but he's often injured and now we lost Kyle Williams, which is not an insignificant loss.  Couple that with Hughes going into a contract year and Lorenzo just about at the end of his career, getting another pass rusher is a priority as well and if there is a good one to be had, then you go for it.  The idea that you put on the blinders to defense and only look at offense would be extremely stupid if you were a GM.   No GM worth his salt would ever consider doing something so dumb.   

 

Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a heavier focus at looking at the offensive side of the ball but what you are advocating is to forget about the defense and only look to offense.   You are taking away approximately 50% of the players and would end up overreaching on a number of players if you were to do something like this.   As you noted, the defense has a number of good pieces and those parts will help this team field a good defense, but they have not arrived yet.  They NEED another guy aside from Hughes to wreak havoc in the backfield and from my view and I'm pretty sure theirs as well they believe it to be a priority.   And rightfully so.