YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Summary I’m sure you’re asking, if John Miller has all these tools, why are the Bills so eager to find a replacement? Miller unfortunately has what could be the single worst trait for a lineman, known as “inconsistency.” He’s strong enough to take on a double team and ward off the likes of Margus Hunt but he’s just as capable of letting his feet slip up and getting shoved around as a result. He’s agile and fast enough to move block and bounce around the field, but can be indecisive. Miller’s volatility means that when he turns in a bad rep, it can be really bad. As a result, it’s not unfair to consider Miller a liability. i think he sucks but ayyyyy new OL coach ?? Edited February 10, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I think he can be upgraded even as depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: i think he sucks but ayyyyy new OL coach ?? I don't think he sucks. Wrong scheme fit, probably. Think at this point he's better than Ducasse and Teller. But at what cost is the deal breaker... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t stick around and with some improvement contend for a starting job. All depends on his price tag right? I have my doubts they can draft/sign enough linemen to just lose everyone. The FO will judge locker room and work ethic and those will be deciding factors if they want to bring him back imo. Not just salary 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t stick around and with some improvement contend for a starting job. All depends on his price tag right? I have my doubts they can draft/sign enough linemen to just lose everyone. The FO will judge locker room and work ethic and those will be deciding factors if they want to bring him back imo. Not just salary My thoughts exactly. May the best man win. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Miller is an average G but he was better than Teller and Ducasse. Teller might get better. The whole line is a mess. Dawkins regressed last year. There are too many holes to deal with in one year. Bringing Miller back on a reasonable 3 yr deal would be fine. Could they find a suitable replacement? Probably. My hunch is they sign two linemen in FA and draft at least one more. I'm not even sure they know if Dawkins is the answer at LT. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 As I recall, he wasn't that good as a rookie, but showed promise. His 2nd yr he was pretty good. He regressed once Castillo came & they changed schemes. I think the new OL coach should have a strong say as to whether or not he's worth trying to salvage for the $. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) They might bring him back on minimal money to fight for a depth roster spot.. I don’t think we see him Week 1..Hope I an wrong as I would always like to see a guy they drafted do well with the Bills.. Edited February 10, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I wouldn't offer him a deal immediately. If after the first few waves of free agency he is unsigned, offer him a just above minimum deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) He is a mystery. Started well enough, got better his 2nd year--to the point of looking like a longterm staple of our line, and has seemed to regress the past two years. I am of the camp that says keep him unless there is an obvious upgrade in FA, or sign the upgrade, and let him battle it out with Teller and a draft pick for a G position. Also, could he slide over the Center? Edited February 10, 2019 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Is "inconsistency" correctable? Most likely not. Also, he is not versatile enough to play multiple positions to be a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Problem seems to be mental. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Mountain Man said: I wouldn't offer him a deal immediately. If after the first few waves of free agency he is unsigned, offer him a just above minimum deal. I agree. He would be decent depth, but hasn’t as you’ve mentioned in the last two years performed as a starting Guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 He could be a cheap backup with lots of starting experience. Couldn't hurt to bring him back but I doubt it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Is "inconsistency" correctable? Most likely not. Also, he is not versatile enough to play multiple positions to be a backup. That final point is why I think ultimately he'll be somewhere else. If you are wanting a cheap sub standard backup, at least get versatility. I can't see all things being equal, why you would take Miller over Groy. Neither should be starting, but Groy covers Center too Edited February 10, 2019 by Mountain Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, CSBill said: He is a mystery. Started well enough, got better his 2nd year--to the point of looking like a longterm staple of our line, and has seemed to regress the past two years. I am of the camp that says keep him unless there is an obvious upgrade in FA, or sign the upgrade, and let him battle it out with Teller and a draft pick for a G position. Also, could he slide over the Center? I don’t know but Center is a very difficult position to learn and to play. I’m a fan of drafting or signing a pure Center rather than trying to turn a guard into a center. I don’t even like when colleges take a guard and make him a center for his last season and then he’s expected to play center in the nfl right away. Jmo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Won't break my heart either way. I would rather blame you guys later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 He will get more than you all expect. Most teams hate their lineman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 With Castillo coaching and losing Richie and Wood, it was hard to tell who sucked and who got Castillo'd with a bad scheme. Miller showed enough promise to warrant at least a low end deal, but I'd like to think we are going all out to give Allen the best shot next year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 He is who he is: a guy that was a day 1 starter, with room to improve his functional strength, but was limited athletically and size-wise. He more or less reached his peak in year 2, and that's about what you'll get from him on a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: With Castillo coaching and losing Richie and Wood, it was hard to tell who sucked and who got Castillo'd with a bad scheme. Miller showed enough promise to warrant at least a low end deal, but I'd like to think we are going all out to give Allen the best shot next year. Agree. I like to give the new OL coach a shot at him. He does have some talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 If Buffalo Rumblings is correct about his price, sure. He's showed extended flashes of promise (unfortunately has been a disaster more often), but as many have said here, maybe with a new coach, and it's insurance if we bust on all of our FA OL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 GO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 i would start to like him and then he would have a rough day. then it would start over again. keep him we could do worse. Get a better center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Classic case of “all he needs is more time.” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 He's proven himself to be terrible. Goodbye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Yeah it’s a no for me dawg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 If he couldn’t live up to average expectations on a rookie contract what kind of effort will we expect from him once he gets a pay raise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 If he goes, there will be troubleAnd if he stays it will be double 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Probably time to be rid of him. Had one promising year, then poo after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Miller is a tweener-- not a very good starter, but a great backup. It all comes down to money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) ...was reading an article on the Top TEN FA OL......Miller was at #9........... 9. John Miller, Guard After playing only four games and being benched for Vladimir Ducasse in 2017, Miller returned to a starting role with the Buffalo Bills last season. At just 25 years old, Miller offers teams a younger option than some of the names on this list, but also an option that hasn’t yet broken an overall grade of 70.0 in a season. This past season, he was only charged with one sack in 529 pass-blocking snaps, however. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-10-interior-offensive-linemen-set-to-enter-free-agency-in-2019 Edited February 10, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 11 hours ago, BuffAlone said: I don't think he sucks. Wrong scheme fit, probably. Think at this point he's better than Ducasse and Teller. But at what cost is the deal breaker... i believe this is the problem. he is much better suited for a power scheme. he also played left guard all during his college career. i think that's where he should be and think he would be a road grader for shady at that spot. he could be a reuben brown for us there. i think teller has the ability to play all spots and could be good on the right side. i think the problem for miller was mills. miller had his assignment but had to deal with mills getting whipped around and having 2 guys in his gap all the time. 2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: If he couldn’t live up to average expectations on a rookie contract what kind of effort will we expect from him once he gets a pay raise? he played very well during his rookie year in the power scheme....which juan screwed up. he also had some major adversities in his life that he had to deal with and people tend to not want to consider any of that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Horrible O-Line. IF you have to ask the question, I feel we already have the answer. Move forward with someone else. PLZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Let the new OL coach decide if he's salvageable/scheme fit and go from there. 8 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: i believe this is the problem. he is much better suited for a power scheme. he also played left guard all during his college career. i think that's where he should be and think he would be a road grader for shady at that spot. he could be a reuben brown for us there. i think teller has the ability to play all spots and could be good on the right side. i think the problem for miller was mills. miller had his assignment but had to deal with mills getting whipped around and having 2 guys in his gap all the time. he played very well during his rookie year in the power scheme....which juan screwed up. he also had some major adversities in his life that he had to deal with and people tend to not want to consider any of that. Any insight on the Rob Johnson scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Any insight on the Rob Johnson scheme? As far as I'm concerned the Rob Johnson scheme is to take sacks, throw interceptions and look like a douche. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Miller was clearly a liability last year. Rarely have I seen an offensive linemen look so lost regarding who he should be blocking. Defenders were able to get into his body and drive him back quite often as well. His footwork was terrible, cemented to the ground and often lunging off balance - some of that was late realization of who he should pickup, some of that was just bad technique. There were obviously some questions around how the coaching was being done, maybe more tough love was needed - I dunno but Castillo was let go so there was the thought that he was not coaching these guys up very well. All that being said, an offensive line has to operate as a unit, if you do not trust or know how the guy next to you is going to block and you start trying to compensate it all goes to pieces in a hurry and everyone looks bad. Think of a guard trying to pull on a play where the center can't get anchored and is driven back 3-4 feet; the whole play becomes a train wreck. My vote would be to drop most of the under performers back to the PS, and give fresh blood (free agents and rookies we pick up in the draft) a shot at filling the holes. That gives Bobby Johnson a chance to correct technique and see who can be salvaged and who cannot. Johnson worked under some pretty successful o-line coaches, in Indy last year, and under D'Alessandris on Buffalo's Chan Gailey staff. Most remember how boring Chan was, but the Bills ran the ball extremely well under Gailey. I expect a quantum leap in the performance of this unit next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: As far as I'm concerned the Rob Johnson scheme is to take sacks, throw interceptions and look like a douche. That's not fair. RJ didn't throw many picks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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