Foxx Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 this is a Williams team (even if there are none, atm) there is only room for one McCoy. you choose. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: They do similar things on the field imo. McCoy will draw doubles at about the same rate Lotulelei does.They're both good against the run. He doesn't get upfield all that well, and I'm not sure how often he's asked to do that. I'd say Lotulelei has a quicker first step but McCoy is stronger...imo Lotulelei is more technically capable and McCoy will tend to rely on overwhelming his guy with his strength. Sure he gets more sacks, but they're definitely not opposites in how they're utilized. McCoy's ability to get off the ball might be his biggest strength. McCoy is the pass-rushing specialist who happens to also be decent against the run but they play completely different roles. Star is only on the field to try to free up space for others to make plays. McCoy is the one that Tampa relies on to make the plays. Edit: This article was literally from just before this season in which they proclaimed that McCoy has the quickest first step among defensive linemen in the NFL lol. I don't know how you could possibly think that Star has a quicker first step. Are you thinking of a different Bucs player? I'm genuinely confused. https://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/2018/08/31/bucs-gerald-mccoy-youre-going-to-miss-me-when-im-gone/ Edited January 16, 2019 by DCOrange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Sounds great in theory, but you’ve got to know by now that McDermott rotates his defensive linemen. We don’t like that Star is getting paid ~$10M a year to play about 50% of the snaps, but we want to bring in McCoy for the same price to play roughly the same amount of snaps? I don’t see McBeane putting $20M+ a year into two players at a position that we rotate about 4 players through. That’s bad cap management and if Beane has shown anything, I think he’s shown his ability to manage cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'd say yes if we weren't already on the hooks with Star Lotulelei & Trent Murphy. Those are 2 examples of pricing yourself out of an impact player by overpaying under achievers. And yes I get the whole argument of Star occupies 2 blockers & yadayadayada. But how can you have a dline where it eats up 17% of your cap & where 1 of those guys will hardly be on the field due to historically being injured? I'd love to have him here & would instantly replace Star with McCoy, but with the total cost & with all the other areas we need to improve, I think we simply need to build thru the draft in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: This is getting really old... Someone ONCE a LONG time ago was funny. Now, just played out The Carolina connection has been a little odd, if not slightly humorous. Lighten up a little.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Gerald McCoy had his best seasons playing the 3 tech in Leslie Frazier's 4-3 defense. Just saying. According to PFR, his best season was 2013 under Bill Sheridan (Schiano was coach). It was the only time he made all-pro and he had his highest AV that season. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoGe99.htm I am in no way blaming McCoy for the entire Tampa D performance, but it is the case that his been really terrible during his career there: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 GIT 'R' DUNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I wouldn't hate it, you could sign McCoy and still have plenty of money to spend on offense while drafting an edge rusher or another player at pick 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: McCoy's ability to get off the ball might be his biggest strength. McCoy is the pass-rushing specialist who happens to also be decent against the run but they play completely different roles. Star is only on the field to try to free up space for others to make plays. McCoy is the one that Tampa relies on to make the plays. Well maybe I didn't watch enough Tampa Bay, but I didn't see much out of McCoy when I did come across one of their games. That rookie Vea looked like the interior talent to me, McCoy wasn't anything special...maybe he was carrying an injury or something. I saw them play the Giants I think and he looked ordinary. Not all that quick, still obviously powerful but not really a playmaker. I stand by my Lotulelei comparison, other than McCoy being on the field for more passing downs re: sacks I think they're basically the same player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 From what I have read about the Buc's, Gerald McCoy is their Lorenzo Alexander. If that's true and he still has some gas in the tank, then I'm for putting him on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsClinton Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'm all for it, but can we get him the ball in space? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: And we've got it to spend. Seems like a good fit. But I'm not sure it is a wise investment. If we are going to spend big bucks on a defensive player I would rather it be an OLB, or perhaps an edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, MJS said: But I'm not sure it is a wise investment. If we are going to spend big bucks on a defensive player I would rather it be an OLB, or perhaps an edge rusher. I’m all for this, but the question is who is the free agent edge rusher that they get to come here? I wouldn’t be too against the idea of trading for McCoy’s contract - as has been stated you can cut him at any time for no guaranteed money... Star can be moved on for minimal money at the end of 2020 so that won’t impact on them resigning Tre and Milano... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I can see them making a play - either via trade or a FA signing if cut. I think a signing like this would impact the draft and the thoughts leading up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 If McCoy’s release didn’t happen........... the thread title is a is a little misleading. But it’s just Symantec’s. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m all for this, but the question is who is the free agent edge rusher that they get to come here? I wouldn’t be too against the idea of trading for McCoy’s contract - as has been stated you can cut him at any time for no guaranteed money... Star can be moved on for minimal money at the end of 2020 so that won’t impact on them resigning Tre and Milano... Ezekiel Ansah perhaps at edge rusher. I would love to have Anthony Barr at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Ezekiel Ansah perhaps at edge rusher. I would love to have Anthony Barr at LB. Agree Ansah could be a possibility... I don't think Barr would be value for money... The Bills play a lot of nickel with Taron Johnson on the field and only go with 2 LB's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I have McCoy powered up as a 96 overall DT on my Madden Ultimate Team so I'm wit it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Agree Ansah could be a possibility... I don't think Barr would be value for money... The Bills play a lot of nickel with Taron Johnson on the field and only go with 2 LB's.. Yeah, but not all the time. Plus if you have a guy like Barr you can stay in base defense more often if you want. Plus, I think he can rush the passer (I think), so maybe you have him as a pass rusher on 3rd down sometimes. I feel like LB hurt us this year, especially after injuries. Edited January 16, 2019 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, MJS said: Yeah, but not all the time. Plus if you have a guy like Barr you can stay in base defense more often if you want. Plus, I think he can rush the passer (maybe?), so maybe you have him as a pass rusher on 3rd down sometimes. I feel like LB hurt us this year, especially after injuries. Barr will get overpaid. I hope it is not by us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Barr will get overpaid. I hope it is not by us. Don't you want to see Josh Allen jump over him some more during practice?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 They need a young pass rushing OLB in the first round not a DT. I think a veteran DT would be wise but not top priority. They need to spend their FA dollars on ay least two high end starters on the Oline. Add in the glaring need at TE and DT falls even further down the need list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: They need a young pass rushing OLB in the first round not a DT. I think a veteran DT would be wise but not top priority. They need to spend their FA dollars on ay least two high end starters on the Oline. Add in the glaring need at TE and DT falls even further down the need list. Yeah.. its down the list but not off it.. They need a replacement for Kyle.. I wouldn't be against them getting a DT in Free Agency and using Pick 9 on an Edge Rusher... Options here seem limited though.. Assuming Bosa, Ferrell and Josh Allen are gone who is next man up?? Polite probably.. Edited January 16, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 hours ago, richardb1952 said: He has three years left on current contract, none of it guaranteed. TB has cap issues going into 2019. I would think that Bills would look to set up a trade to get him at current contract. Offer one of our 4th round picks. Do we have 2 or 1 4th Rd pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: They need a young pass rushing OLB in the first round not a DT. I think a veteran DT would be wise but not top priority. They need to spend their FA dollars on ay least two high end starters on the Oline. Add in the glaring need at TE and DT falls even further down the need list. A pass rushing OLB? What? If you mean an edge rusher, I agree that it would be a smart use of 1st round draft capital. A Sam linebacker, though? Not so much. It's the least important of the three positions in McDermott's defense, and is the first linebacker to come off the field when the defense goes to a nickel look. Not worth a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Do we have 2 or 1 4th Rd pick? (2) 4s, 5s and 7s.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Would be a great fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: Yeah.. its down the list but not off it.. They need a replacement for Kyle.. I wouldn't be against them getting a DT in Free Agency and using Pick 9 on an Edge Rusher... Options here seem limited though.. Assuming Bosa, Ferrell and Josh Allen are gone who is next man up?? Polite probably.. Don't sleep Austin Bryant later in the draft. Guy has a nice get off and that pass rushing bend to his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said: The Carolina connection has been a little odd, if not slightly humorous. Lighten up a little.... Right.... making second handle to make it sound less dumb doesnt actually make it sound less dumb imo. That said if this isnt the same person - that might actly be worse... Edited January 17, 2019 by gobills1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: The Bucs are moving toward a 3-4 D and McCoy is reportedly a cap casualty. The Bucs can save 13M from cutting him with no dead money. A possible veteran pick up to fill in for Kyle Williams? Would be awesome but they would have to overpay to get him and that doesn’t sound like the “judicious” kind of FA that Beane was talking about. I’m thinking that they are basically going to sign role players and try to get the stars through the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I’m happy to have options, and eager to see how the FO has this playing out. Prove yourselves, men! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 He's a SLIGHTLY better version Kyle Williams(And I love Kyle). 54.5 career sacks and 79 TFL's. This guy is a playmaker. I'd be all over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Sure but not at that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 9 hours ago, GoBills808 said: He does the same thing Lotulelei does for more money... What? You got it backwards. Penetrating vs. Plugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 18 hours ago, gobills1212 said: This is getting really old... Someone ONCE a LONG time ago was funny. Now, just played out You mean like the Peter Pan photos? I probably shouldn’t have brought it up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 19 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: I'm all for it. Grab LB Devin White in the Draft. That would allow Edmunds to move around, White can move around. Sign Shaq to 5th year. ...................................Shaq/Murphy........... McCoy/ J Phillips........... H Phillips/Star........... Hughes/Zo ..................D White/Zo..... ..........................................Edmunds/White..........................................Milano/Edmunds Wallace...............................................................................................................................................................................T White .................................................Poyer.............................................................Hyde Defense would be set!!!! Id like to see Edmunds as an OLB and at times on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: Id like to see Edmunds as an OLB and at times on the line. Agree. I think they were right though to have him strictly play Mike as a 20 year old rookie. Let him learn and try to master the position before moving him around. I haven't seen much of it but him as an edge Blitzer may be as good as his pass defense. He is so good in coverage you dont want to take alot away from that, but depending on down and distance have him rushing the passer makes alot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 i don't see them spending on mc coy. they may not even look to sign a dt other than j. phillipps. i believe they will draft a dt in the 1st. depending on how the draft is shaking out, they can get a great one at 9 or even trade down a few spots. i can't believe the amount of dline talent there is this year. obviously, i want josh allen at 9, but most mocks i've seen have us taking ed oliver. mc coy's going to get too much money for my liking. if malik jackson gets cut then maybe a one year prove it deal would work but.... if i were running the dline i'd kick shaq inside ( in rotation with oliver unless oliver...or whoever they draft can play full time )and rotate murphy and lorax on the end. i hope they bring back yarbrough and i think mike love may turn out to be very good. i'd like to see free agent money spent. a center and rt for sure. if they can get a glowinski as well, good. i still believe in john miller could be a good to very good guard with someone competent next to him....in the power scheme. i think they are gonna crush this draft. they have improved each year and this year is gonna be no exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Mat68 said: Agree. I think they were right though to have him strictly play Mike as a 20 year old rookie. Let him learn and try to master the position before moving him around. I haven't seen much of it but him as an edge Blitzer may be as good as his pass defense. He is so good in coverage you dont want to take alot away from that, but depending on down and distance have him rushing the passer makes alot of sense. Exactly- he has unique skills and freakish athletic ability that hopefully they can move hin around depending on the situation that presents himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: You mean like the Peter Pan photos? I probably shouldn’t have brought it up though. Peter Pan photos have a purpose in that its kind if a funny game to see who you can get to click. The carolina thing different in that its just played out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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