??Tremaine Edmunds named NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

But what about all of the takez on here?

 

 

For those here and on twitter who have been claiming he has been playing worse and worse lately, Jay, this is...awkward.

Edited January 3, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts

[papazoid]

 

 

So the top 5 graded on defense (minimum 200 snaps) are:

 

1. Jerry Hughes - 88.7

2. Lorenzo Alexander - 85.7

3. Micah Hyde - 84.0

4. Levi Wallace - 83.5

5. Shaq Lawson - 76.4

 

The bottom 5 graded on defense (minimum 200 snaps) are:

 

5. Star Lotulelei - 59.9

4. Trent Murphy - 58.1

2=. Tremaine Edmunds - 57.4

2=. Eddie Yarbrough - 57.4

1. Jordan Phillips - 52.0

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Ehhhhh.  I am a huge Edmunds guy.  I think he has played really well, I think he should stay a MLB, and I think he will be a cornerstone of our defense.  

 

All that being said, this award is for stat counters.  NE was not a good game, but he still got 11 tackles.  It doesn't matter if the tackles were 5 yards past the LOS, he still gets credit for the tackle.  So on the stat sheet it looks great.  

[dollars 2 donuts]

58 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Beane’s first rookie class looking prettay, prettay, prettay good at the end of the season 

 

 

Even though you are tremendous I honestly thought I just plain up-vote you too much every day, so I shall pause.

 

...and then you give a curb your enthusiasm response and the flood gates open back up! 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

For those here and on twitter who have been claiming he has playing worse and worse lately, Jay, this is...awkward.

 

Just a skosh.

[Mat68]

He is not a thumper but in today's NFL you wouldn't want him to be.  He is so young, when he becomes physically mature POA will not be an issue.  Proper technique and a professional offseason you will see a leap in his play.  He is only 20.  

[Gugny]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Ehhhhh.  I am a huge Edmunds guy.  I think he has played really well, I think he should stay a MLB, and I think he will be a cornerstone of our defense.  

 

All that being said, this award is for stat counters.  NE was not a good game, but he still got 11 tackles.  It doesn't matter if the tackles were 5 yards past the LOS, he still gets credit for the tackle.  So on the stat sheet it looks great.  

 

The entire team - both three sides of the ball - was owned by New England for 60 complete minutes.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

The entire team - both three sides of the ball - was owned by New England for 60 complete minutes.

 

Not to mention the problem with our run defense had more to do with not setting the edge than it did with what happened in the heart of the front 7

[Just Joshin']

The awards are interesting.  AFC defensive player for December was Indy's Leonard who is a rookie while Edmunds is the rookie defensive player of the month.  Guess one person can't win both?

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Pretty exciting. Allen and Edmunds were raw prospects that held their own this year. A full off-season can only be good for them.

[teef]

49 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

If Middle linebacker is the QB of the defense... is QB the middle linebacker of the offense? 

now i have to go lay down.

[GoBills808]

Congrats 49! Well deserved.

[Buffalo Boy]

Wasn’t this the guy a bunch of people on here were just calling another failed draft pick.....?

SMDH

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

But he was the worst player on the field.

 

Which reminds me:

 

Paging @nedboy7

 

No no. He was the best player on the field. Why does everything have to be exaggerated to the max until it becomes outright dumb. 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Babich is a legend. If he believes in Tremaine, I don't question it. He was ecstatic when we landed Tremaine. I think he knows more than a few message baord guys reading PFF. He's developed some great players...not just Urlacher. Great coach. 

 

the development of Milanio from last year when he was good to this year when he was great was amazing.  Can't wait to see Termaine in year 2.   I'd also get a young guy for when Lorax eventually retires.  Let Babich coach him up also!

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

MOVE HIM TO OUTSIDE LINEBACKER!!!

Don't worry they will. Love to see McB make a run at Barr.

[RyanC883]

59 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Ehhhhh.  I am a huge Edmunds guy.  I think he has played really well, I think he should stay a MLB, and I think he will be a cornerstone of our defense.  

 

All that being said, this award is for stat counters.  NE was not a good game, but he still got 11 tackles.  It doesn't matter if the tackles were 5 yards past the LOS, he still gets credit for the tackle.  So on the stat sheet it looks great.  

 

I'm also a big Edmunds fan.  The NE game was awful, although the entire defense was awful against the run.   I put more stock in PFF, and their year grad is not fantastic on Edmunds.  That said, I think he played very well for a 20 year old rookie MLB.  

 

In terms of keeping him at MLB or not, it really depends on who is available in the draft (White?) or FA.   If a bona-fide solid MLB is available, perhaps Edmunds will be even more imposing at OLB.   Can he play MLB, I think he can.  Is it the best spot for him, I have no idea. 

 

Good rookie year though. 

[Antonio]

Ohhh nice! I take it. It is not a DROY but it is nice for him to get recon. 

 

I still wish he played with a little more fire in him so he could hit and destroy some RBs, but so far I like what he has done. 

[Logic]

13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Don't worry they will. Love to see McB make a run at Barr.

....It was sarcasm.

He's not moving. 

11 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I'm also a big Edmunds fan.  The NE game was awful, although the entire defense was awful against the run.   I put more stock in PFF, and their year grad is not fantastic on Edmunds.  That said, I think he played very well for a 20 year old rookie MLB.  

 

In terms of keeping him at MLB or not, it really depends on who is available in the draft (White?) or FA.   If a bona-fide solid MLB is available, perhaps Edmunds will be even more imposing at OLB.   Can he play MLB, I think he can.  Is it the best spot for him, I have no idea. 

 

Good rookie year though. 

I just don't get why anyone thinks the "move to OLB" thing has merit whatsoever. 

First of all, they didn't spend his rookie season letting him QB the defense from the Mike position just to switch him in year two and have to start from scratch at a new position.

Secondly, if you move Edmunds to weakside LB, you're bumping Milano out of a job, and that doesn't make any sense because Milano is a playmaker. You're not going to put Edmunds at the strong side linebacker position because that's only a part time player in this defense. He'd be coming off the field for 79% of the snaps (based on how much the Bills were in base defense in 2018).

So is it that people want Edmunds to bump the talented Milano out of the lineup, or that they want Edmunds on the bench 79% of the time? 

Either way, it's ludicrous. He's our long term ILB, Period.

All of that being said, I DO believe there's merit to finding a 3rd down pass-rushing sub-package role for Edmunds in year 2. He showed excellent pass rushing efficiency.

Edited January 3, 2019 by Logic

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I'm also a big Edmunds fan.  The NE game was awful, although the entire defense was awful against the run.   I put more stock in PFF, and their year grad is not fantastic on Edmunds.  That said, I think he played very well for a 20 year old rookie MLB.  

 

In terms of keeping him at MLB or not, it really depends on who is available in the draft (White?) or FA.   If a bona-fide solid MLB is available, perhaps Edmunds will be even more imposing at OLB.   Can he play MLB, I think he can.  Is it the best spot for him, I have no idea. 

 

Good rookie year though. 

 

I hate PFF.  I simply cannot understand how they can grade players without the All-22.  That said, he played like a rookie.  He had bad games and good games.  Exactly what you would hope. 

 

Here is the thing that gets missed, we played in a base defense 20% of the time (the NFL as a whole was like 13%).  Modern defenses do not need two OLBs.  

 

We are set at LB this year and probably next, depending on Edmunds trajectory. 

[RyanC883]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I hate PFF.  I simply cannot understand how they can grade players without the All-22.  That said, he played like a rookie.  He had bad games and good games.  Exactly what you would hope. 

 

Here is the thing that gets missed, we played in a base defense 20% of the time (the NFL as a whole was like 13%).  Modern defenses do not need two OLBs.   

 

We are set at LB this year and probably next, depending on Edmunds trajectory. 

 

if we don't need 2 OLB's, then we can be okay.  I'd still get another 5th rounder (perhaps another Milano find), because the depth was somewhat weak.

[njbuff]

Hopefully he learns a lot from an impressive, yet rocky, rookie season.

 

As I have said before..................

 

hopefully the Bills have found their franchise QB on offense....... and on defense............all in one draft.

[Matt_In_NH]

Wow

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Kid is showing clear progress and couldn't have ended the season on a better note , playing arguably his best game as a pro. 

 

Absolutley see the raw talent and at only 20, he should improve a lot.  My main complaint for him is lack of aggression, he has that huge body but does not throw his weight around like he could.  Maybe that will come with time.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

you mean Allen was Player of the Week, right? Henry was AFC Offensive Player of the Month for December.

 

Henry... it’s taken him a while to get going but I’d love him in the Bills backfield.... next year is his last on the rookie deal?

[Magox]

Hes going to beef up.  That tall frame of his could easily add another 7-10 lbs without taking away from his speed and agility.

 

Look at the difference in Milano from year one to two.  He looked thin his first year and this past year he had bulging biceps.

 

That is what you typically see from year one to two if you have a committed offseason.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

57 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I hate PFF.  I simply cannot understand how they can grade players without the All-22.  That said, he played like a rookie.  He had bad games and good games.  Exactly what you would hope. 

 

Here is the thing that gets missed, we played in a base defense 20% of the time (the NFL as a whole was like 13%).  Modern defenses do not need two OLBs.  

 

We are set at LB this year and probably next, depending on Edmunds trajectory. 

 

True.... permi-nickel

 

Milano, Edmunds and a rotating 4 man front should do the job 

[Shaw66]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

On a serious note, it's hard to imagine the season ending on a higher note for the Bills.

Allen scores 5 TDs and is named AFC Offensive Player of the week* (the first Bills QB to win the award since Drew Bledsoe in 2002).
Edmunds is named NFL Defensive rookie of the month.
Levi Wallace finishes season as PFF's top ranked rookie corner.
Robert Foster and Zay Jones both have breakout seasons at WR.

The future's so bright I gotta wear shades! 

We're all pretty excited.  In his end of season presser, Allen said he wants to keep playing.  

 

My wife is getting sick of hearing about the Bills since Sunday.  

[Boatdrinks]

5 hours ago, jamiezzz said:

Just curious?  How do they determine Offensive and Defensive rookie of the year?  Not sure of the logistics behind it, but curious of how it's determined?  Do they have to be nominated per week, or month?  Thanks in advance.

Those are voted on/ determined by the AP, not the NFL. 

[GreggTX]

I admit that this comes as a very pleasant surprise. I've been down on him all year, but this gives me hope.

[Captain_Quint]

5 hours ago, Captain Murica said:

What a terrible pick... Only player in the league with 100+ tackles, 2 Ints, 2 sacks and 10+ PD. Oh, and he won't be 21 until May.

He'll be out of the league and doing radio by the time he's 23. 

[Royale with Cheese]

The "Edmunds was the worst player on the field...been bad most of the season" thread reached 14 pages.  I wonder if a positive Edmunds thread will reach 14 pages?

[Beast]

But I was told he sucked and I was wrong just recently.

 

 

5 hours ago, Logic said:

....It was sarcasm.

He's not moving. 

I just don't get why anyone thinks the "move to OLB" thing has merit whatsoever. 

First of all, they didn't spend his rookie season letting him QB the defense from the Mike position just to switch him in year two and have to start from scratch at a new position.

Secondly, if you move Edmunds to weakside LB, you're bumping Milano out of a job, and that doesn't make any sense because Milano is a playmaker. You're not going to put Edmunds at the strong side linebacker position because that's only a part time player in this defense. He'd be coming off the field for 79% of the snaps (based on how much the Bills were in base defense in 2018).

So is it that people want Edmunds to bump the talented Milano out of the lineup, or that they want Edmunds on the bench 79% of the time? 

Either way, it's ludicrous. He's our long term ILB, Period.

All of that being said, I DO believe there's merit to finding a 3rd down pass-rushing sub-package role for Edmunds in year 2. He showed excellent pass rushing efficiency.

 

Agreed.

 

Anyone that thinks Edmunds future is on the outside.....all I can do is shake my head.

[Mike in Horseheads]

20 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

But I was told he sucked and I was wrong just recently.

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

Anyone that thinks Edmunds future is on the outside.....all I can do is shake my head.

I also got the he sucks thing recently and a wasted draft pick at #1. The kid was 19 when the season started and put into one of the hardest positions on the field. I think McBeane went after the "QB" of both the offense and defense for years to come and so far I'm liking that future.

[Mark Vader]

But I thought we blew it by not drafting Leighton Vander Esch?!

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Mark Vader said:

But I thought we blew it by not drafting Leighton Vander Esch?!

McD would never draft a player who sounds like a character on Gossip Girl

[Mark Vader]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

McD would never draft a player who sounds like a character on Gossip Girl

I would laugh, but the last 2 words in this sentence just leaves me with so many questions.

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

McD would never draft a player who sounds like a character on Gossip Girl

[BADOLBILZ]

 

First of all.........let me thank YoYo for this tribute thread.

 

And regardless.....Edmunds has been uninstinctive and inefficient at the position this season and was awful in the New England game........arguably worse in the Chargers game though.    Not sure where the narrative that he has gotten *worse* has come from that must be twitter.

 

But he did get credit for about a dozen tackles on that day in NE and that's how these POW/POM decisions are made.........numbers.

 

And again.........let me remind you all that I am a big fan of Edmunds and loved the pick.........but he's been roughed up in the run game and play action at MLB........he had a much better game against a disinterested Dolphins team but it was encouraging nonetheless.

 

I hope he raises his game.........but if not I think he can be a stud edge player........which pays better for a reason.......rushing the passer is second to being the passer.

 

On 1/3/2019 at 9:50 AM, YoloinOhio said:

LB coach Bob Babich is one of the Bills best assistant coaches. He has done a great job with Edmunds and Milano, and is also responsible for the signing of  Poyer a couple years ago. He knew him from his time with the Browns and recommended the Bills sign him in FA. 

 

 

Incorrect YoYo

 

Bob Babich = LB's coach

 

Bobby Babich = Safeties coach

 

I assure you they are different human beings 

 

Amirite @Rico???

 

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

This guy is so young, the fact that he is even starting is amazing. To earn the respect of his fellow player this young rookie  must've put in a lot of work. He is the prototype LB who can cover and tackle, when the game slows down for him and he trusts his instincts he will be a monster. 

[Rico]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Incorrect YoYo

 

Bob Babich = LB's coach

 

Bobby Babich = Safeties coach

 

I assure you they are different human beings 

 

Amirite @Rico???

 

 

 

Yes, most importantly though, it was not Dimwit Doug Whaley who gets credit for Poyer, no matter what the same less savvy posters in here keep saying.