Sal Carpaccio: Corey Coleman Is In Trouble

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I don't get this regime's attachment to Holmes. He is old and mediocre at best. I'd rather that spot go to a potential playmaker.

 

He is the leader in the receiver room both Zay and McDermott have talked about that and he played on all their coverage units last year. All while leading the team in redzone TDs. He has a very specific role but he fulfils that role well. This regime more than the last seems to take the Kirby view on WRs who are not your starters. Get guys with very specific specialty fits who you can have packages for rather than who is next best all round receiver.

[whatdrought]

Not sure about keeping Holmes and Streeter. Lot of age and a “you know what ya got” type situation. I’m okay keeping 1, but i think we’d be dumb not to keep some speed.

[Doc]

The only locks IMHO are KB, Zay and Coleman.  After that it's anyone's guess.

[NoSaint]

47 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

For the all the Hate this group receives, some team is gonna be happy to snatch up 1or 2 of our cuts. I hope we can sign a couple guys back to the PS, but every other team gets 1st dibs.

 

We have plenty of 4-7 guys, but not enough 1-3

[Bronxbomber21]

I see Holmes getting cut

[BobbyC81]

I would say Foster, Dupre, Phillips have little chance of making the team.  In the numbers game,  Reilly and K. Clay haven't shown enough and are probably out also.   That leaves Coleman, McCloud and Prohl for the last spot and I'd definitely lean towards Coleman. Then try and sign the other two for the practice squad.

 

And I agree with others that odds are there will be an injury to one of these receivers on Sunday.

Edited August 23, 2018 by LittleJoeCartwright

[ColoradoBills]

I'm really curious who are the WRs out when JA is playing Sunday.

 

As of now I see it this way.

 

If 6 WRs make the roster then:

KB-Lock

Jones-Lock

Coleman-Lock ( I expect 2 long balls to him on Sundays game.  Coleman would have to do something really crazy not to be a lock.

                           No way Beane gives up a pick and takes on 3.5 million in Dead money otherwise.

 

Holmes/Kerley/Streater - 2 make it out of the 3.

1 slot for Reilly/McCloud

 

PS-  Loser of Reilly/McCloud and Dupree

 

 

 

[folz]

If they keep 7:

Benjamin

Jones

Coleman

Kerley

Streater

McCloud

Holmes

 

If they only keep 6, Holmes would be the odd man out for me (despite his special teams play)

 

And then you hope to get Reilly back on the practice squad to call up in case of injury.

 

 

With a QB who can get the ball to them, that could turn into a pretty nice receiving corps.

Edited August 23, 2018 by folz

[Mat68]

Yes.  Only been here 2 weeks.  He is by far the fastest wr on the roster.  With Allen's deep ball ability he is at worst a decoy/gadget wr.

[SouthNYfan]

0 chance he doesn't make the team.

[Alphadawg7]

WR Order week 1 will be IMO:

 

KB

Streater

Holmes

Zay

Coleman

Ray Ray

Kerley/Foster

 

I fully expect early in the season that both Zay and Coleman will have shots to move up the depth chart, but due to both not being here for OTA's and most of camp, that Streater and Holmes could be listed ahead of them week 1.  

 

I expect that Holmes will be the guy who drops, but I think Streater is going to be hard to knock down, he's been very good again and I think he right now has earned starting spot IMO until someone like Zay or Coleman put more work in and earn the right to challenge for that spot.

Edited August 23, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Pete]

KB

Kerley

Zay

Ray Ray

Holmes

and 1 of Coleman, Foster, Streater

[MarlinTheMagician]

Agree with the OP on the top 5.  Good point about Streater and special teams, but we have no one other than KB that has performed like his best regular season year (60 catches and nearly 900 yards).  I think he makes it.

 

I like Brandon Reilly best of the remaining.  He has decent size, 4.4 speed, finds the openings in the defense and is a great process guy.  If they want 7 I hope they take Ray Ray or Kaelin Clay (both can take the top off), and cut Coleman.  And I think they will indeed cut Coleman unless he shows out against Cinci.  

 

 

 

Reilly couldn't play against Brownies because of his ribs, but he has shown a great deal vs. Carolina, all last year in practice and in last year's preseason.

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, FLFan said:

All true, and although I wish they would move on from Holmes in favor of one of the other younger guys, I do not see that happening.  

 

why are yall so down on Holmes? He made some really nice plays last year and has played well in PS.

 

i think he makes the team and produces.

2 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

That...and the fact he’s a 2nd round pick.  He wasn’t a Beane pick but was a McDermott guy.  Cutting a 2nd round pick in year 2 looks very bad

 

Keeping a guy that can't catch the football looks worse.

[ehfeuh57]

well Ray Ray needs to make the team over either Holmes / Kearly

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Mark my words.  Zay will make you regret saying that. 

 

i hope you're right.

[Orlando Tim]

43 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

WR Order week 1 will be IMO:

 

KB

Streater

Holmes

Zay

Coleman

Ray Ray

Kerley/Foster

 

I fully expect early in the season that both Zay and Coleman will have shots to move up the depth chart, but due to both not being here for OTA's and most of camp, that Streater and Holmes could be listed ahead of them week 1.  

 

I expect that Holmes will be the guy who drops, but I think Streater is going to be hard to knock down, he's been very good again and I think he right now has earned starting spot IMO until someone like Zay or Coleman put more work in and earn the right to challenge for that spot.

1-6 i agree with with the limited amount i jabe seen but i do not see any version of this where foster makes team- he might be PS but i would be shocked if he makes 53

[The Bills Blog]

Streater may be #5 now, but he's going to get cut because he offers nothing on ST.

Benjamin
Jones

Kerley
Coleman
Holmes
McCloud III

[Charlottebillsfan2]

Coleman is a guy teams might actually have to game plan for. He is still on a rookie contract and we gave up nothing to bring him in. No chance he gets with his upside and potential. 

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

I disagree with your top 5, but for the sake of argument, RayRay is #6, clearly.  I'm not a big fan of ClayClay, but he's in there as well because of ST and PR.  I still think Zay Jones is in trouble, and not the lock everyone thinks he is.  Much as I'm a Life of Reilly guy, I see PS for him and Proehl.  The rest?  Hasta la vista, baby.

[BobbyC81]

53 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I disagree with your top 5, but for the sake of argument, RayRay is #6, clearly.  I'm not a big fan of ClayClay, but he's in there as well because of ST and PR.  I still think Zay Jones is in trouble, and not the lock everyone thinks he is.  Much as I'm a Life of Reilly guy, I see PS for him and Proehl.  The rest?  Hasta la vista, baby.

 

I can't see them giving up on Zay so soon.  This regime drafted him and they traded up to get him early in the 2nd round.  If he was a Whaley/Rex pick he'd probably be gone. 

[Freddie's Dead]

3 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

I can't see them giving up on Zay so soon.  This regime drafted him and they traded up to get him early in the 2nd round.  If he was a Whaley/Rex pick he'd probably be gone. 

 

He better play Sunday and make an impact.

[beerme1]

Tune in Sunday for the answer to this and many more answers. 

[Putin]

5 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

Interesting conversation from Sal Carpaccio on WGR this morning.  He thinks Rod Streater’s basically solidified a roster spot.  That means that the top 5 WR are filled with:

 

WR1:  Benjamin

WR 2:  Jones

WR 3:  Kerley

WR 4:  Holmes

WR 5:  Streater

 

That leaves quite the competition for WR including:

 

Corey Coleman

Ray Ray McLeod

Austin Prohl

Brandon Reilly

Malachi Dupre

Kalin Clay

Cam Phillips

Bob Foster

 

Does Buffalo keep 7 WR’s?  Maybe but I’m betting against it.  You have a group of WR’s competing for 1 spot.  

 

I remember Beane saying as a GM you don’t want to cut draft picks.  He almost certainly will this year but will be cut McLeod a 6th round or Prohl who he drafted in the 7th and has a personal relationship with.  

 

Then there’s Coleman.  Has he done enough to even beat out a McLeod?  Is his potential and past high draft status enough to warrant a spot?  Or does the fact the Bills invested a future pick mean he’s sticking around?  

 

And then there are guys like Reilly, Clay and Dupre who the Bills like but might not have the room.

 

Who do you have as the final WR on this roster?

 

 

Why does Z Jones deserves to be our #2 ?? 

Because we had to move up in the 2nd round to get him ? 

I’m not saying we should give up on him BUT he needs to earn it !!! 

[WhickedWilliams]

6 hours ago, Rico said:

Both Coleman and Ray Ray make it. I still think Kerley could be a surprise cut, not much upside at all with him.

 

 

? 

[eball]

I’ll just say I can’t wait to see Allen out there with KB, Zay, and others on Sunday. And I do think Coleman makes the team. 

[Tsaikotic]

Allen

Peterman

 

McCoy

Ivory

Murphy

Jones

 

KB

Jones

Coleman

Streater

Ray Ray

Holmes/Kerley

 

Clay

Thomas

Croom

Lee

 

Dawkins

Mills

Newhouse

Ducasse

Miller

Teller

Groy

Bodine

 

That would make 24 on offense...I'd put Foster and Proehl on PS...Foster could be good with a year or 2 of PS.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

WR Order week 1 will be IMO:

 

KB

Streater

Holmes

Zay

Coleman

Ray Ray

Kerley/Foster

 

I fully expect early in the season that both Zay and Coleman will have shots to move up the depth chart, but due to both not being here for OTA's and most of camp, that Streater and Holmes could be listed ahead of them week 1.  

 

I expect that Holmes will be the guy who drops, but I think Streater is going to be hard to knock down, he's been very good again and I think he right now has earned starting spot IMO until someone like Zay or Coleman put more work in and earn the right to challenge for that spot.

 

Foster is not making this team. You have more chance than him at being on the 53.

[Real McClappy]

Coleman is a lock if he is putting the work in for his speed alone. If he isn't putting the work in to our coaches he will be cut.

 

The process baby!

[Chandler#81]

Just don’t get the love for Foster. Yes, he’s fast and we don’t have enough of that. But he’ dogs it out there, Short-arming catches, no sign of leaping ‘want-it’ and gives up on plays when the QB is forced to scramble. Couldn’t even start in college.

 

anywho, here’s my choices;

KB

Kerley

Zay

Coleman

Streeter

RayRay

Reilly

 

hope we get Proehl back for PS -he’s a Draft Pick after all. Holmes may well be available after waivers as well. Not like he isn’t familiar with unemployment..

[Wayne Arnold]

7 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

He better play Sunday and make an impact.

 

If Zay was in trouble he wouldn't be working exclusively with the starting unit.

 

The top four receivers (and stone cold locks) are obviously Benjamin, Zay, Holmes and Kerley.

[Doc]

I think Kerley gets cut.  Not sure what he brings that the others don't, he's 29 and he's only 5'9" (I think they like the taller WR's). 

[BruceVilanch]

People saying Zay won't make the 53 is about as dumb as saying Foster will.

[SouthNYfan]

12 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

If Zay was in trouble he wouldn't be working exclusively with the starting unit.

 

The top four receivers (and stone cold locks) are obviously Benjamin, Zay, Holmes and Kerley.

 

Coleman is a stone cold lock.

They just traded for him.

They want his speed.

He's very young.

There is zero chance he doesn't make the team, unless he has a massive injury between now and then.

[CommonCents]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

I think Kerley gets cut.  Not sure what he brings that the others don't, he's 29 and he's only 5'9" (I think they like the taller WR's). 

The Bills don’t have much at WR, I don’t see him being cut. KB, Kerley, Zay that must be the plan. Then mix in Holmes, Coleman, Streater. 

 

Kerley is/was a crafty receiver,  he could really help keep drives alive. If he has any of that shiftiness left he should be a lock. 

 

Edited August 23, 2018 by Commonsense

[Chandler#81]

12 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

If Zay was in trouble he wouldn't be working exclusively with the starting unit.

 

The top four receivers (and stone cold locks) are obviously Benjamin, Zay, Holmes and Kerley.

 

I’m not sold on Holmes being a Lock. Sure, he’s made memorable catches, but he has for other teams as well and still found himself out looking for a job. IMO, IF he’s cut, it would mean we have a underrated WR group who could open some eyes across the League. It appears we may finally have a WR Friendly passer. #Unchartered territory ‘round these parts!

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

The Bills don’t have much at WR, I don’t see him being cut. KB, Kerley, Zay that must be the plan. Then mix in Holmes, Coleman, Streater. 

 

Kerley is/was a crafty receiver,  he could really help keep drives alive. If he has any of that shiftiness left he should be a lock. 

 

They have more at WR than people think.  I think that Kerley's size hurts him.

[BigBuff423]

12 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

Interesting conversation from Sal Carpaccio on WGR this morning.  He thinks Rod Streater’s basically solidified a roster spot.  That means that the top 5 WR are filled with:

 

WR1:  Benjamin

WR 2:  Jones

WR 3:  Kerley

WR 4:  Holmes

WR 5:  Streater

 

That leaves quite the competition for WR including:

 

Corey Coleman

Ray Ray McLeod

Austin Prohl

Brandon Reilly

Malachi Dupre

Kalin Clay

Cam Phillips

Bob Foster

 

Does Buffalo keep 7 WR’s?  Maybe but I’m betting against it.  You have a group of WR’s competing for 1 spot.  

 

I remember Beane saying as a GM you don’t want to cut draft picks.  He almost certainly will this year but will be cut McLeod a 6th round or Prohl who he drafted in the 7th and has a personal relationship with.  

 

Then there’s Coleman.  Has he done enough to even beat out a McLeod?  Is his potential and past high draft status enough to warrant a spot?  Or does the fact the Bills invested a future pick mean he’s sticking around?  

 

And then there are guys like Reilly, Clay and Dupre who the Bills like but might not have the room.

 

Who do you have as the final WR on this roster?

 

 

 

I wouldn't automatically keep Holmes or even Kerley....I like Kerley, but Coleman IMHO makes him more expendable. Kerley can add that vet presence in the slot, but Zay Jones' natural abilities put him in the slot as well and even Coleman could move outside or inside. I think Coleman adds a dimension to the team that no one else brings and they traded (yes, basically a dog whistle & some Cracker Jacks) for him when they did because I think they see Coleman as an essential piece of the Offense once the season is underway. We haven't seen him in large part due to still gaining the comfort with the playbook and coming up to speed on their culture, but I don't think Coleman is really at risk of being cut. Possibly....but I just think his strengths help the team more than some of the other WRs. 

 

So: Benji, Zay, Kerley, Coleman, Ray-Ray, Reilly and Streater are the guys I think make the strongest cases for the 53 with Ray-Ray being inactive on game days for awhile. Phillips and either Foster or Proehl go to PS and the rest are cut. 

 

Reilly I think makes it due to his size and quicks that allow him to move from slot to boundary - that versatility that Daboll really likes. 

[wppete]

Ray-Ray makes this team.

[CommonCents]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They have more at WR than people think.  I think that Kerley's size hurts him.

He is a slot guy, why would his size? Is your reasoning that McD wants all big receivers? That would be a horrible mindset for a coach. 

 

Look at this list, if Kerley is healthy and hasn’t ran into a brick wall in the past year he is making the team http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000776994/article/jamison-crowder-leads-top10-slot-receiver-separation%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Daround-the-league-t;team%3Dphi;team%3Dmia;team%3Dwas;team%3Ddal;team%3Dmin;team%3Dsea;conf%3Dnfc;conf%3Dafc;dvsn%3Dnce;dvsn%3Dace;dvsn%3Dncn;dvsn%3Dncw;plyr%3Dpierre_garcon;plyr%3Ddesean_jackson;plyr%3Ddrew_brees&p.ct=Next%2bGen%2bStats&p.adsm=true&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp

91 percent of the time he was in the slot and his average separation was over 3 yards, give me that 5’9 guy that can play. I’m not so sure why you think big Mc wants all bigger WRs, they just drafted 5’9 Mccloud; 5’10 Prohel, and then traded for 5’11 Coleman. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by Commonsense