YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: One more time ? Man whatever happened to that guy? Fell off the face of the earth after that one year in Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Sooner rather than Later.. he can’t be traded until the new league year so I’ll go with later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: A team like Pittsburgh should be all over this, They would fully be able to utilize him. If we got a 4th for Ragland I'm sure we could get in the same ball park with Lawson. Or could be part of a package for a player, such as Alex Smith. KC runs defense similar to Rex, may value Shaq. 2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Sooner rather than Later.. he can’t be traded until the new league year so I’ll go with later I would consider anything pre-draft to be “Sooner” rather than “later” in the offseason which would be when guys like Sammy, Darby, Ragland were unloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Or could be part of a package for a player, such as Alex Smith. KC runs defense similar to Rex, may value Shaq. That could be interesting. Might be too much value for a 34 year old Smith though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Not a fan of the move unless we can get a 4th or better or a player that fills a need. While he shouldn’t be a starter I think he can play several positions along our line as depth. He’d be fine rotating in at DT once in awhile too. While he can’t rush the passer he is good stopping at the run, something we were really bad at. He’s at worst a solid depth player. If we get a 5th and it turns out to be a Milano type I’ll be happy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Given we are DT needy, can he be kicked inside and be effective? He'd possibly be a somewhat quick DT vs a less than fleet DE. Maybe 'kicked' isn't the best of words. Repositioned.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Talk about exiling virtually every Whaley pick...woof. I suspect Bills will have 2 new starting DEs to start 2018 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 It just didn’t make sense to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I would like to see the Bills try to pry Dunlap away from Cincinnati. 4 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: Talk about exiling virtually every Whaley pick...woof. I suspect Bills will have 2 new starting DEs to start 2018 season. The whole starting front four looks like it will be brand new. Maybe guys like Yarborough, Davis and Washington remain back ups, which isn't bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) He played well at times at the end of last season, you thought he might keep it going, but in the scheme change which you thought might of been better for him he played worse. From the Whaley injury fiasco to the end it was a mini tire fire. You have to get these interior picks right if you want a lasting success. Washington is another who will end up traded or waived. Edited January 13, 2018 by Jamie Muellers Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I remember all the reports from camp saying Shaq was rushing the passer better than anyone? Then when seeing him play (although other posters mentioned the 4 sacks) appeared to not be rushing the passer. What I mean by that is, it looked like he was being asked to set the edge based on how he was positioning himself. I have no idea how I feel about this. If it's true, I hope the draft pick in return makes me feel better about it. Keep in mind this could all be for the sole reason of moving up to get a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I think he should get into the 290 lbs range and play DT. He is such a one dimensional player and I'm 100% sure Rex was the main reason for Ragland and Lawson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Day one starter.... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 they come and go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, NickelCity said: Not terribly surprising, but by god we've got to draft better. Dude, this isn't a case of "draft better". This is a case of "scheme change shedding". What we've got to do, is find competent coaching and FO so we can maintain some continuity. I hoped we had, but we're changing OC (and maybe OL/run game) - maybe Dawkins and Ducasse won't be such a good fit for the next guy, or Zay Jones doesn't suit his style, and on we turn. 13 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I think he should get into the 290 lbs range and play DT. He is such a one dimensional player and I'm 100% sure Rex was the main reason for Ragland and Lawson. I think your thinking on this is correct Edited January 13, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Was he drafted by Whaley? Then he's a bum get him out of here!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Shaq is more effective than Hughes and like 1/4 the cost. See it to believe it in regards to him being gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 43 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: People keep saying that and he had 4 this year before he got hurt. I don’t know why people think that 7-8 is unreasonable? I don’t see him ever at 12 but a sack every other game? That’s not crazy. Shaq was atrocious on the pass rush this year. 3 of the 4 sacks he had he never actually touched the QB while the QB was live(inbounds or not on a knee). Utter vulture sacks that would not have kept coming. They just don't. By my count he touched a live QB at or behind the LOS twice all season..........and one was a personal foul for a late hit on McCown. I wasn't real high on him but I really didn't anticipate he would be this bad. But that slow first step is just a killer for a pass rusher. Half the battle(or more) is getting the OT off balance and he just puts every OT in a comfort zone. If he doesn't figure out how to get off the ball faster he's nothing more than a journeyman.........slow off the ball doesn't even translate to being a pass rusher inside. They tried him some in preseason and early season at DT in passing situations and it was ugly there too.......you better be 340 if you can't get out of the way. If he can figure out how to fix that first step he has some potential because he's strong and has excellent hands. What throws people off is that quick burst he shows in run defense.......once he's in motion he has the ability to make a quick move to finish a play. But that first step is maybe even the worst in the NFL for a DE. It's so bad that it just stands out. All that said.........I'm not for trading him cheap because the Bills track record with DL in the draft after the 1st and 2nd rounds is woeful. I think KW is the only good one they've drafted post round 2 this century. Maybe a straight up deal with KC for Alex Smith? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 Maybe already mentioned but he was benched at one point by McD for a reason that he said he would keep between he and Shaq. Don’t remember which game off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Shaq's a better dancer than his haters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Fanatics were starting to build up some cred and then they went to the mat over resigning Zach Brown, which didn’t happen. They’ve been nothing since so take it Fwiw- Bills probably are seeing what they can get, but hope they don’t just sell to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 From the start this pick smelled off. The bigger point is we need to stick with a HC and GM for a while so they can get their players, vision and scheme implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 The whole DL may be different next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, White Linen said: What I mean by that is, it looked like he was being asked to set the edge based on how he was positioning himself. This was a mistake fan observers made with regard to Shaq at Clemson too. He was so slow off the ball that people thought he was supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: The whole DL may be different next year. It can't get much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: The whole DL may be different next year. Year 1: the secondary Year 2: the DL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Most your getting for him is a 5th, maybe. Might be one if the slowest DEs in the NFL, which was evident on his college game tape. Yoiu don't draft run stuffing DEs in the 1st round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Trade him for a third and I am good. 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Year 1: the secondary Year 2: the DL? Year two QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I wouldn’t sell low on him. I don’t know that he will ever be a top end guy but I think that he can be an 8 sack guy that’s good against the run. There’s no reason to open another hole. If true that shaq and cordy are on the block it’s hard to get past the idea that there’s a scarlet W on guys he picked. It would be quite literally every single first, second, and most thirds gone in just a year. It’s remarkable in how thorough the process was. I can’t think of another regime that has even gone this far this quick, yet alone maybe the next couple moves being possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 They want as much ammunition for this draft as possible because they are preparing to trade up for a Quarterback and know they have other holes to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 He’s on a rookie contract give him a chance to prove himself. I don’t want to see Shaq go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 And yet another spectacular Whaley pick that didn't pan out. Man, we suck at draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 This upcoming draft is very weak at 4-3 edge rushers . This is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: They want as much ammunition for this draft as possible because they are preparing to trade up for a Quarterback and know they have other holes to fill. But whats shaq going to fetch? A day 3 pick? I’d rather have him coming off the bench relatively cheaply for a DE than a late pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Good, it's the right move. Injury prone with very little pass rush abilities. Him and Ragland both failed picks by foot fetish. Hopefully we can find a team that needs a run stopping DE. Jumping the gun a bit? They are both 2 year pros , who have lost a large amount of those 2 years rehabbing on injuries. To say the book has been written is unfair. We never saw Ragland in Rex's scheme and he's just got promoted starter for KC. Shaq is very good at stopping run , the hope is he can develop enough to turn into an all around DE like Hughes. He can be situational and work his way up, we definitely need a guy to pair with Hughes! So underrated this year, numbers weren't very good but he got the hurries consistently. He needs a legit threat opposite him so qb can't always roll to his right where the rush is contained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: But whats shaq going to fetch? A day 3 pick? I’d rather have him coming off the bench relatively cheaply for a DE than a late pick. Yea a 5th maybe? I don't think that matters to them as much. They are looking at Glenn, Taylor and Lawson as at least 3 more draft picks taking them to 11 total. This draft is about finding a Quarterback and then continuing to plug in young talent that fits their template. This is the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Bills Pimpin' said: Ragland didnt fit McD's scheme and neither does Lawson. It makes absolutely no difference how released or traded players play on a different team. The coach is not going to keep around mediocre players that he didn't choose and doesn't fit his DNA, you certainly know that by now. I would rather have a player that the coaching staff is completely vested in than an over reach by a former regime. Lawson will never be good enough. In fact, the defensive line did not drop off at all when he went on IR. If they get a decent draft pick, say a 4th or 5th, IMO do it. I disagree, our pass rush got worse and our run game suffered without him as he is actually strong against the run too. Good coaches utilize talent, not dump talent for the ego of their scheme. And sorry, but I don't buy that he cant fit into McD's scheme in the first place as he was fitting before the injury. By the way, GM's and Coaches don't give a rats a** about who "chose" the player in the draft when debating on keeping or getting rid of a player. That is fan mythology, all they want to do is win. If they feel Shaq isnt the right guy, they will move him...but its not because he was "Whaleys" pick. Beane is Cleary going hyper aggressive on acquiring draft assets, so not out of the question they are shopping Shaq as he has been slowed from injuries now for 2 years and has yet to really cement his place on the team. But, I feel like Shaq has a lot of upside still and I dont prefer to sell low like we did with Dareus and create another hole. Would rather bring in competition with Shaq and see if he can win the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Jamie Nails said: Fanatics were starting to build up some cred and then they went to the mat over resigning Zach Brown, which didn’t happen. They’ve been nothing since so take it Fwiw- Bills probably are seeing what they can get, but hope they don’t just sell to sell I agree but they were saying the Bills wanted to sign Zach Brown, which they did want and try to do. He chose to sign in Washington. Edited January 13, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 39 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Maybe a straight up deal with KC for Alex Smith? I wouldn't hate this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: I wouldn't hate this. I think it would take a draft pick plus Shaq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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