Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: then what kind of trade value does he have ? He would be fine depth and cheap for another year or two, see if the light comes on. I still struggle in trading Ragland. he may not have been the ideal fit but he had/has upside How could you possibly have known that about Ragland? More importantly how can you know that about Lawson who was drafted hurt (fail) and when he’s been healthy has had zero pass rush impact? The guys trash and wouldn’t be a #2 de on any quality team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, danc said: Even if you could get an identical player with a 4th, why, bother. Give him another year and see what happens. Our draft scouts will be busy enough evaluating talent for the picks we do have. Why divert scouting focus to find a replacement for a player we already have. Because that player will have 4 years under a minimum contract. Pretty simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Have not read a single reply in the topic but this is a Classic sell low move if it happens AGAIN by the FO. Edited January 27, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Have not read a single reply in the topic but this is a Classic sell low move if it happens AGAIN by the FO. Say it with me: Shaq Lawson is traaaaaash. You’re not gonna get anything more for him by carrying his dead weight for another year or two 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Say it with me: Shaq Lawson is traaaaaash. You’re not gonna get anything more for him by carrying his dead weight for another year or two Don't sound so foolish Joe. You don't get drafted in the 1st round of the NFL if your "Trash". This is Ragland 2.0 at it's finest if we do trade him, creating yet again another hole on this team. Some Bills fans are so damn fickle and will not even give a player 2 full seasons to develop into anything under one system. Truly sad the mindset of some around here. Joe, how many new jobs have you started were your just a rockstar the 1st year? It usually takes couple years to really start making a impact to your company. The exact same thing applies here. Are there exceptions? Of course but very rarely. Edited January 27, 2018 by Real McCoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 You won’t get much for him, he’s still cheap, I don’t see the point. I’d give him another season. (My son vehemently disagrees, however...it seems to be personal for some reason!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Say it with me: Shaq Lawson is traaaaaash. Give me a friggin' break. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bad Things said: Give me a friggin' break. He'd be saying Bruce was trash too after his first year as well when he only had 6 sacks. Also, by no means and I'm comparing Shaq and Bruce for the record. Edited January 27, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 McD needs pressure from the front 4. Lawson has an extremely slow get off and isn't going to provide what the HC needs. I can see why they'd be look to move in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: Don't sound so foolish Joe. You don't get drafted in the 1st round of the NFL if your "Trash". This is Ragland 2.0 at it's finest if we do trade him, creating yet again another hole on this team. Some Bills fans are so damn fickle and will not even give a player 2 full seasons to develop into anything under one system. Truly sad the mindset of some around here. Joe, how many new jobs have you started were your just a rockstar the 1st year? It usually takes couple years to really start making a impact to your company. The exact same thing applies here. Are there exceptions? Of course but very rarely. Hes a DE that cant sack the QB. He serves literally no purpose. 46 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: He'd be saying Bruce was trash too after his first year as well when he only had 6 sacks. Also, by no means and I'm comparing Shaq and Bruce for the record. Dont be an idiot. Bruce showed promise. Shaq hasn’t shown diddly squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, danc said: Even if you could get an identical player with a 4th, why, bother. Give him another year and see what happens. Our draft scouts will be busy enough evaluating talent for the picks we do have. Why divert scouting focus to find a replacement for a player we already have. Perhaps he could be replaced with a better player in either FA or different draft pick , one that can actually both rush the passer and stop the run, and the pick we get for him could be used on, say, a RB. It isn’t necessary to use the pick you get for a certain player on his replacement. He could also be included in a package for a player like Alex Smith, depending on what route they go for a vet QB. Edited January 28, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Perhaps he could be replaced with a better player in either FA or different draft pick , one that can actually both rush the passer and stop the run, and the pick we get for him could be used on, say, a RB. Not going to happen. I have a source that tells me our top TWO picks will be spent on the RB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I trust this front office to make moves to improve this team. It worked laat year when many of us raised an eyebrow or doubted them and we finally made the playoffs. Ill trust them again this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: Not going to happen. I have a source that tells me our top TWO picks will be spent on the RB position. Ground and pound 4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Shaq tied with Jerry for team leader in sacks. How does THAT happen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Shaq tied with Jerry for team leader in sacks. How does THAT happen? The entire DL was atrocious that’s how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: The entire DL was atrocious that’s how. But.....other than that.... Build both lines and work out from there (other than get a QB). The loss of Wood hurts creating one more hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, Augie said: Shaq tied with Jerry for team leader in sacks. How does THAT happen? In half the time as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 If you can get a 3rd for Shaq, fine. But he has only been healthy for basically the last 14 months. That, and he has been in two completely different pro schemes. I'd like to see what he can be after another McD camp. You never know. The dude was going to be a first rounder that draft even if the Bills didn't take him...so there are teams that prob like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Shaq Lawson plays for the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: In half the time as well. 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: The entire DL was atrocious that’s how. While i personally don’t care whether they trade Shaq or not, I think that sack stat is too simple to tell a story. Neither had enough sacks this year to raise an eyebrow. I would be more interested in how many pressures were generated by Shaq, and in comparison, Hughes. Using sack totals to define pass rushers isn't as reliable anymore with the next gen stats available now. Pressure comes in many forms and Hughes is often shown affecting the QB and the play even if he isn’t finishing it off with tallying a sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 19 hours ago, joesixpack said: How could you possibly have known that about Ragland? More importantly how can you know that about Lawson who was drafted hurt (fail) and when he’s been healthy has had zero pass rush impact? The guys trash and wouldn’t be a #2 de on any quality team. because they were both successful College players. and rex effect set rookie players back season. I don't know. I did not know. But both certainly have yet to reach their abilities in the NFL. The only argument i might give consideration? Is scheme fit. and gee whiz looks like there might be a major turnover in LBs this year too. certainly they are moving Alexander to situational pass rushing. No one but me likes Preston Brown and Humber is a ST player who can support the LBs. still a weak feature of the defense for the Bills. Lawson led the Bills in sacks or something like that. Thats a defense problem not a Lawson problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I would not call Shaq trash......there are aspects to his game that are very valuable Is he tearing it up as pass rusher? No he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 18 hours ago, BillsVet said: McD needs pressure from the front 4. Lawson has an extremely slow get off and isn't going to provide what the HC needs. I can see why they'd be look to move in. depth and quality rotation are McDermotts buzz words for D line/ Lawson fits that bill. Now Washington kinda actually blows and i have no issue with moving on from him in trade. But again. needed depth? quality depth ? Adolphus might catch fire this offseason. bird in the hand eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: While i personally don’t care whether they trade Shaq or not, I think that sack stat is too simple to tell a story. Neither had enough sacks this year to raise an eyebrow. I would be more interested in how many pressures were generated by Shaq, and in comparison, Hughes. Using sack totals to define pass rushers isn't as reliable anymore with the next gen stats available now. Pressure comes in many forms and Hughes is often shown affecting the QB and the play even if he isn’t finishing it off with tallying a sack. Jerry had 11 QB hits and Shaq had 6 Edited January 28, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 17 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Shaq Lawson plays for the Bills? lines up on the edge and can move inside. surely you have seen him. 17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: While i personally don’t care whether they trade Shaq or not, I think that sack stat is too simple to tell a story. Neither had enough sacks this year to raise an eyebrow. I would be more interested in how many pressures were generated by Shaq, and in comparison, Hughes. Using sack totals to define pass rushers isn't as reliable anymore with the next gen stats available now. Pressure comes in many forms and Hughes is often shown affecting the QB and the play even if he isn’t finishing it off with tallying a sack. its one of Kyle Williams best attributes. Pressures. whether tallied or not. I watched them. everyone will improve when we get Dareus' replacement who needs to be doubled 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Jerry had 11 QB hits and Shaq had 6 might as well put the list up for Bills front four and the backups. and then the run pass ratio per game. geez stats are funny things. But Hughes gets much more pressure and attention (eyes) as compared to Lawson so far. rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: lines up on the edge and can move inside. surely you have seen him. its one of Kyle Williams best attributes. Pressures. whether tallied or not. I watched them. everyone will improve when we get Dareus' replacement who needs to be doubled might as well put the list up for Bills front four and the backups. and then the run pass ratio per game. geez stats are funny things. But Hughes gets much more pressure and attention (eyes) as compared to Lawson so far. rightly so. I don't know the run pass ratio but Lorenzo had 13 QB hits. jerry 11 Kyle 9 yarborough 7 Ryan Davis 7 Shaq 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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