EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow! https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow! https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right A new head coach usually brings in his own staff, so this is not surprising. I think he'll get an OC or a "senior offensive assistant" job somewhere. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 What is his appeal? He left KC and they still won. He went to Washington and they didn't win. What does he have to hang his hat on? That he coached maybe the best young QB in history? Not a tough job. Clearly they didn't need him and neither did Washington 13 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Isn’t he a super, super jerk? 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPL7 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 There is/was a reason none of the teams he interviewed with about a HC job never hired him. And it wasn’t because he’s black and the owners are racist, like all the sports talking heads tried to say. The dude is a bum and not a leader of men. Period! 4 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, Low Positive said: A new head coach usually brings in his own staff, so this is not surprising. I think he'll get an OC or a "senior offensive assistant" job somewhere. Agreed. I don’t think this is an indictment on him as a coach. I actually was a doubter of EB, but I felt like he did some really good things in Washington, and I am coming around on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Bienemy is the most overrated OC to come along in the last 5 years . Rode the coattails of Mahomes and Reid 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Isn’t he a super, super jerk? I think this is the biggest issue. Thought he did a solid job in Washington all things considered. Apparently not the easiest guy to get along with. With today’s youth handling them with anything other than kid gloves probably is not going to make you a popular guy in the locker room. https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/eric-bieniemys-fiery-coaching-style-reality-check-for-commanders So not surprised new HC would go with someone new if you didn’t have personal relationship with prior coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 He’s a hard ass on the players and they don’t like it and don’t respond to it well. Andy Reid was able to insulate it in KC but the players in Washington didn’t like EB at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 There were rumors of strife in KC with Bienemy. And rumors of him being terrible in interviews. And rumors of him being hard to get along with for players and other coaches. Where there is smoke, there's fire. Just keep him away from the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 look some guys, just rub people the wrong way. doesnt matter how talented they are. people looking for obvious racial thing in all this. i dont see it. theres more here, theres been whispers before about him not being head coach material, has nothing to do with his color. not everybody becomes a head coach, million legit reasons why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow! https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right Dan Quinn hiring his own staff especially OC and DC is SOP for a HC change At the least it’s more common than not But What’s intriguing about this, is that 1) Sam Howell showed promise 2) The Commanders own the #2 pick 3) Kingsbury just spent last season coaching Caleb Williams at USC (Kingsbury was his QB coach) So….what will happen there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 6 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Dan Quinn hiring his own staff especially OC and DC is SOP for a HC change At the least it’s more common than not But What’s intriguing about this, is that 1) Sam Howell showed promise 2) The Commanders own the #2 pick 3) Kingsbury just spent last season coaching Caleb Williams at USC (Kingsbury was his QB coach) So….what will happen there? Howell really didn't show much promise. In fact, he was benched at the end of the season, but then Jacoby Brissett got injured and they had to send Howell back out there when they had already given up on him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 By all reports he is an awful person and he never called plays in KC. At least losers like Josh McDaniels and Adam Gase called plays before proving how awful they are without HOF QBs. Probably should go the college OC route and try to make a name for himself there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 8 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Isn’t he a super, super jerk? I do t know but he gave Milano lots and lots of “flowers” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Washington were 24th in yards, and 25th in points offensively in 2023. I think that is probably a very slight overperformance of their talent but not significant. They had some success early in the year with Sam Howell, but he cooled off as the season went on. I quite like him as a gamer. Think he definitely has a future in the league but probably not as a starter. He reminds me a lot of Baker Mayfield though and with better talent he could have some success. Bienemy went there to prove he wasn't just riding Reid and Mahomes's coat tails. I think he proved he can coach, he is a credible OC. But he didn't prove himself more than that. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up sitting this year out, or takes essentially an advisory role somewhere, but he will be back as an OC in 2025. I think his shot at Head Coach jobs are passed though. You are a hot candidate for a relatively short window and once your window is gone it can be gone for good. I always cite Ray Horton for this. He was a really hot HC candidate for two cycles - think it was 2012 and 2013 - he is now coaching in the USFL. Teryl Austin was another - he had three years in the mid-2010s of multiple interviews. He is still in the league as the Steelers DC they finished 6th best this year in points against, but there were zero interviews coming out of it. His moment has passed. Kellen Moore might be going the same way. Had a couple of hot years when he first became OC in Dallas where he had multiple HC interviews. Other than a courtesy interview as a man on staff in LA he didn't have a sniff this year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Washington were 24th in yards, and 25th in points offensively in 2023. I think that is probably a very slight overperformance of their talent but not significant. They had some success early in the year with Sam Howell, but he cooled off as the season went on. I quite like him as a gamer. Think he definitely has a future in the league but probably not as a starter. He reminds me a lot of Baker Mayfield though and with better talent he could have some success. Bienemy went there to prove he wasn't just riding Reid and Mahomes's coat tails. I think he proved he can coach, he is a credible OC. But he didn't prove himself more than that. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up sitting this year out, or takes essentially an advisory role somewhere, but he will be back as an OC in 2025. I think his shot at Head Coach jobs are passed though. You are a hot candidate for a relatively short window and once your window is gone it can be gone for good. I always cite Ray Horton for this. He was a really hot HC candidate for two cycles - think it was 2012 and 2013 - he is now coaching in the USFL. Teryl Austin was another - he had three years in the mid-2010s of multiple interviews. He is still in the league as the Steelers DC they finished 6th best this year in points against, but there were zero interviews coming out of it. His moment has passed. Kellen Moore might be going the same way. Had a couple of hot years when he first became OC in Dallas where he had multiple HC interviews. Other than a courtesy interview as a man on staff in LA he didn't have a sniff this year. That’s why what Ben Johnson is doing is super risky imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Eric "Sleeping with" Bieniemy!! Sorry That's a little tribute to Chris Berman there circa 1990 for the old folks on here. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Thought I saw a tweet that he's in consideration for the Raiders OC spot. Havent seen much else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 9 hours ago, Beck Water said: Dan Quinn hiring his own staff especially OC and DC is SOP for a HC change At the least it’s more common than not But What’s intriguing about this, is that 1) Sam Howell showed promise 2) The Commanders own the #2 pick 3) Kingsbury just spent last season coaching Caleb Williams at USC (Kingsbury was his QB coach) So….what will happen there? I think Washington should absolutely go QB at 2. I personally have Maye rated higher than Caleb so Chicago taking Caleb is perfect IMO. But I’m sure with Caleb growing up in DC and having the superstar aura around him already, Washington would love to bring him home and get their fans excited for the first time in awhile. Having said that, USC’s offense with Kingsbury and Caleb was absolutely garbage to watch. I don’t know how anyone could watch what they did this season and think that’s what they want to emulate in the NFL. TLDR: there’s a lot of non football reasons for Washington to want Caleb but I think they are in a perfect spot right now where they can get who I believe is the best QB without needing to trade up and use their many other draft picks to add some much needed talent to the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I was wondering with all the HC openings if he would get a interview or not & apparently every one isn't as high on him as the so called experts think . Seeing as Andy is taking his team to another SB & Washington sucked it was more Andy than Eric . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Thought I saw a tweet that he's in consideration for the Raiders OC spot. Havent seen much else. makes a ton of sense there. players coach and a former player in place at HC. history of guys slacking off, doing their own thing. good cop/bad cop scenario, and a place for him to prove his OC skills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 12 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow! https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right It's almost as if... he's just not a good coach. He's been interviewed by 15+ teams and hasn't been hired. Something isn't clicking and this is a nothing story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 18 minutes ago, T master said: I was wondering with all the HC openings if he would get a interview or not & apparently every one isn't as high on him as the so called experts think . Seeing as Andy is taking his team to another SB & Washington sucked it was more Andy than Eric . I'm sure EB is a smart coach and knows football and how to be a good coach. With the amount of HC interviews he has had, if someone truly believed he would be a good leader, he would have gotten a job. He hasn't, that doesn't need to be some big conspiracy. Some guys just are not HCs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: I'm sure EB is a smart coach and knows football and how to be a good coach. With the amount of HC interviews he has had, if someone truly believed he would be a good leader, he would have gotten a job. He hasn't, that doesn't need to be some big conspiracy. Some guys just are not HCs Yeah I think even the talking heads have backed down on wondering why he isnt being hired. At this point, he's been through so many cycles folks are realizing there must be a reason there that is better off left alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Sexual Assault accusations follow you a long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Just now, thenorthremembers said: Sexual Assault accusations follow you a long time. Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 56 minutes ago, FireChans said: That’s why what Ben Johnson is doing is super risky imo. Yea, it is. But the two jobs it looks like was offered was Carolina in 2023 and Washington in 2024. They are both bad jobs IMO. He probably has to make the jump next year though, or else teams will just stop calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yeah I think even the talking heads have backed down on wondering why he isnt being hired. At this point, he's been through so many cycles folks are realizing there must be a reason there that is better off left alone. That and 4 minorities were hired this cycle so they have nothing to complain about now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Washington were 24th in yards, and 25th in points offensively in 2023. I think that is probably a very slight overperformance of their talent but not significant. They had some success early in the year with Sam Howell, but he cooled off as the season went on. I quite like him as a gamer. Think he definitely has a future in the league but probably not as a starter. He reminds me a lot of Baker Mayfield though and with better talent he could have some success. Bienemy went there to prove he wasn't just riding Reid and Mahomes's coat tails. I think he proved he can coach, he is a credible OC. But he didn't prove himself more than that. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up sitting this year out, or takes essentially an advisory role somewhere, but he will be back as an OC in 2025. I think his shot at Head Coach jobs are passed though. You are a hot candidate for a relatively short window and once your window is gone it can be gone for good. I always cite Ray Horton for this. He was a really hot HC candidate for two cycles - think it was 2012 and 2013 - he is now coaching in the USFL. Teryl Austin was another - he had three years in the mid-2010s of multiple interviews. He is still in the league as the Steelers DC they finished 6th best this year in points against, but there were zero interviews coming out of it. His moment has passed. Kellen Moore might be going the same way. Had a couple of hot years when he first became OC in Dallas where he had multiple HC interviews. Other than a courtesy interview as a man on staff in LA he didn't have a sniff this year. The offense got worse over the season, though. In their final five games, they didn't get to 300 yards even once. And they had 10 turnovers in those five games. Edited February 5 by dave mcbride 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 We need a league wide investigation within 8 hours 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 30 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The offense got worse over the season, though. In their final five games, they didn't get to 300 yards even once and averaged 12.5 points per game in that stretch (with 18 being their highest total). And they had 10 turnovers in those five games. They didn't get to 30 points once all season. They scored 30 points 3 times last season. https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/wsh/washington-commanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 13 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: What is his appeal? He left KC and they still won. He went to Washington and they didn't win. What does he have to hang his hat on? That he coached maybe the best young QB in history? Not a tough job. Clearly they didn't need him and neither did Washington KC’s offense looked much worse this season and KC fans were clamoring for Bienemy back until literally about 2 or 3 weeks ago. They still won because of their defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 6 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: They scored 30 points 3 times last season. https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/wsh/washington-commanders Ugh! I was stupidly looking at the wrong column (first downs!). Thanks for the correction. The point about the yardage in the final five games stands, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 13 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow! https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right What makes this interesting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Yea, it is. But the two jobs it looks like was offered was Carolina in 2023 and Washington in 2024. They are both bad jobs IMO. He probably has to make the jump next year though, or else teams will just stop calling. I agree but Eric Bienemy would kill for both of those jobs. And turning around a bad team is the instant COTY material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: Sexual Assault accusations follow you a long time. And people still can’t figure out why Araiza never got a job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 If Belichick, Carroll and Vrabel can't get jobs why should Bienemy? This round of hirings shows that owners are not willing to blow up their organization for just anyone not named Harbaugh. Bienemy will have to tutor a young quarterback to somewhere between competence and greatness for a return to relevance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, FireChans said: That’s why what Ben Johnson is doing is super risky imo. If Ben Johnson has another top 10 offense this season, he will have his pick of pretty much any job that becomes available. That would prove that he can sustainably generate top 10 offenses over several years and different players. The problem this year was the two teams that really pushed for him are terrible franchises. Not just a bad roster, but terrible owners or a brand new owner that is learning on the job. With the leverage he has, I wouldn’t have taken either of the jobs either. I think he made a smart choice. Most people only get one chance at a HC job. You have to make the right choice because he may be only your chance ever. I get your point about turning around a bad franchise, but its tough to overcome bad ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Kingsbury is a far better OC. And Bieniemy is not HC material, never was. Laughable that anyone ever thought he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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