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This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow!

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator

 

https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right

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1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow!

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator

 

https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right

A new head coach usually brings in his own staff, so this is not surprising. I think he'll get an OC or a "senior offensive assistant" job somewhere. 

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What is his appeal? He left KC and they still won. He went to Washington and they didn't win. What does he have to hang his hat on? That he coached maybe the best young QB in history? Not a tough job. Clearly they didn't need him and neither did Washington 

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There is/was a reason none of the teams he interviewed with about a HC job never hired him. And it wasn’t because he’s black and the owners are racist, like all the sports talking heads tried to say. The dude is a bum and not a leader of men. Period! 

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12 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

A new head coach usually brings in his own staff, so this is not surprising. I think he'll get an OC or a "senior offensive assistant" job somewhere. 


Agreed. I don’t think this is an indictment on him as a coach. I actually was a doubter of EB, but I felt like he did some really good things in Washington, and I am coming around on him.

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1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Isn’t he a super, super jerk?


I think this is the biggest issue. Thought he did a solid job in Washington all things considered. 
 

Apparently not the easiest guy to get along with. With today’s youth handling them with anything other than kid gloves probably is not going to make you a popular guy in the locker room.

 

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/eric-bieniemys-fiery-coaching-style-reality-check-for-commanders

 

So not surprised new HC would go with someone new if you didn’t have personal relationship with prior coaches. 

 

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He’s a hard ass on the players and they don’t like it and don’t respond to it well.  Andy Reid was able to insulate it in KC but the players in Washington didn’t like EB at all.

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There were rumors of strife in KC with Bienemy. And rumors of him being terrible in interviews. And rumors of him being hard to get along with for players and other coaches.

 

Where there is smoke, there's fire. Just keep him away from the Bills.

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look some guys,  just rub people the wrong way.  doesnt matter how talented they are.  people looking for obvious racial thing in all this.  i dont see it.   theres more here,  theres been whispers before about him not being head coach material,  has nothing to do with his color.   not everybody becomes a head coach,  million legit reasons why.

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2 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow!

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator

 

https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right

 

Dan Quinn hiring his own staff especially OC and DC is SOP for a HC change

At the least it’s more common than not

 

But

 

What’s intriguing about this, is that 1) Sam Howell showed promise 2) The Commanders own the #2 pick 3) Kingsbury just spent last season coaching Caleb Williams at USC (Kingsbury was his QB coach)

 

So….what will happen there?

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6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dan Quinn hiring his own staff especially OC and DC is SOP for a HC change

At the least it’s more common than not

 

But

 

What’s intriguing about this, is that 1) Sam Howell showed promise 2) The Commanders own the #2 pick 3) Kingsbury just spent last season coaching Caleb Williams at USC (Kingsbury was his QB coach)

 

So….what will happen there?

Howell really didn't show much promise. In fact, he was benched at the end of the season, but then Jacoby Brissett got injured and they had to send Howell back out there when they had already given up on him. 

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Washington were 24th in yards, and 25th in points offensively in 2023. I think that is probably a very slight overperformance of their talent but not significant. They had some success early in the year with Sam Howell, but he cooled off as the season went on. I quite like him as a gamer. Think he definitely has a future in the league but probably not as a starter. He reminds me a lot of Baker Mayfield though and with better talent he could have some success. 

 

Bienemy went there to prove he wasn't just riding Reid and Mahomes's coat tails. I think he proved he can coach, he is a credible OC. But he didn't prove himself more than that. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up sitting this year out, or takes essentially an advisory role somewhere, but he will be back as an OC in 2025. I think his shot at Head Coach jobs are passed though. You are a hot candidate for a relatively short window and once your window is gone it can be gone for good. I always cite Ray Horton for this. He was a really hot HC candidate for two cycles - think it was 2012 and 2013 - he is now coaching in the USFL. Teryl Austin was another - he had three years in the mid-2010s of multiple interviews. He is still in the league as the Steelers DC they finished 6th best this year in points against, but there were zero interviews coming out of it. His moment has passed. Kellen Moore might be going the same way. Had a couple of hot years when he first became OC in Dallas where he had multiple HC interviews. Other than a courtesy interview as a man on staff in LA he didn't have a sniff this year. 

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Washington were 24th in yards, and 25th in points offensively in 2023. I think that is probably a very slight overperformance of their talent but not significant. They had some success early in the year with Sam Howell, but he cooled off as the season went on. I quite like him as a gamer. Think he definitely has a future in the league but probably not as a starter. He reminds me a lot of Baker Mayfield though and with better talent he could have some success. 

 

Bienemy went there to prove he wasn't just riding Reid and Mahomes's coat tails. I think he proved he can coach, he is a credible OC. But he didn't prove himself more than that. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up sitting this year out, or takes essentially an advisory role somewhere, but he will be back as an OC in 2025. I think his shot at Head Coach jobs are passed though. You are a hot candidate for a relatively short window and once your window is gone it can be gone for good. I always cite Ray Horton for this. He was a really hot HC candidate for two cycles - think it was 2012 and 2013 - he is now coaching in the USFL. Teryl Austin was another - he had three years in the mid-2010s of multiple interviews. He is still in the league as the Steelers DC they finished 6th best this year in points against, but there were zero interviews coming out of it. His moment has passed. Kellen Moore might be going the same way. Had a couple of hot years when he first became OC in Dallas where he had multiple HC interviews. Other than a courtesy interview as a man on staff in LA he didn't have a sniff this year. 

That’s why what Ben Johnson is doing is super risky imo. 

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9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dan Quinn hiring his own staff especially OC and DC is SOP for a HC change

At the least it’s more common than not

 

But

 

What’s intriguing about this, is that 1) Sam Howell showed promise 2) The Commanders own the #2 pick 3) Kingsbury just spent last season coaching Caleb Williams at USC (Kingsbury was his QB coach)

 

So….what will happen there?

I think Washington should absolutely go QB at 2. I personally have Maye rated higher than Caleb so Chicago taking Caleb is perfect IMO. But I’m sure with Caleb growing up in DC and having the superstar aura around him already, Washington would love to bring him home and get their fans excited for the first time in awhile. Having said that, USC’s offense with Kingsbury and Caleb was absolutely garbage to watch. I don’t know how anyone could watch what they did this season and think that’s what they want to emulate in the NFL.

 

TLDR: there’s a lot of non football reasons for Washington to want Caleb but I think they are in a perfect spot right now where they can get who I believe is the best QB without needing to trade up and use their many other draft picks to add some much needed talent to the roster. 

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I was wondering with all the HC openings if he would get a interview or not & apparently every one isn't as high on him as the so called experts think . Seeing as Andy is taking his team to another SB & Washington sucked it was more Andy than Eric .

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10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Thought I saw a tweet that he's in consideration for the Raiders OC spot. Havent seen much else.

makes a ton of sense there. players coach and a former player in place at HC. history of guys slacking off, doing their own thing. good cop/bad cop scenario, and a place for him to prove his OC skills.  

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12 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow!

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator

 

https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right

It's almost as if... he's just not a good coach. He's been interviewed by 15+ teams and hasn't been hired. Something isn't clicking and this is a nothing story. 

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18 minutes ago, T master said:

I was wondering with all the HC openings if he would get a interview or not & apparently every one isn't as high on him as the so called experts think . Seeing as Andy is taking his team to another SB & Washington sucked it was more Andy than Eric .

I'm sure EB is a smart coach and knows football and how to be a good coach. With the amount of HC interviews he has had, if someone truly believed he would be a good leader, he would have gotten a job. He hasn't, that doesn't need to be some big conspiracy. Some guys just are not HCs

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4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I'm sure EB is a smart coach and knows football and how to be a good coach. With the amount of HC interviews he has had, if someone truly believed he would be a good leader, he would have gotten a job. He hasn't, that doesn't need to be some big conspiracy. Some guys just are not HCs

 

Yeah I think even the talking heads have backed down on wondering why he isnt being hired. At this point, he's been through so many cycles folks are realizing there must be a reason there that is better off left alone.

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56 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That’s why what Ben Johnson is doing is super risky imo. 

 

Yea, it is. But the two jobs it looks like was offered was Carolina in 2023 and Washington in 2024. They are both bad jobs IMO. He probably has to make the jump next year though, or else teams will just stop calling. 

 

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15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah I think even the talking heads have backed down on wondering why he isnt being hired. At this point, he's been through so many cycles folks are realizing there must be a reason there that is better off left alone.

That and 4 minorities were hired this cycle so they have nothing to complain about now. 

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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Washington were 24th in yards, and 25th in points offensively in 2023. I think that is probably a very slight overperformance of their talent but not significant. They had some success early in the year with Sam Howell, but he cooled off as the season went on. I quite like him as a gamer. Think he definitely has a future in the league but probably not as a starter. He reminds me a lot of Baker Mayfield though and with better talent he could have some success. 

 

Bienemy went there to prove he wasn't just riding Reid and Mahomes's coat tails. I think he proved he can coach, he is a credible OC. But he didn't prove himself more than that. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up sitting this year out, or takes essentially an advisory role somewhere, but he will be back as an OC in 2025. I think his shot at Head Coach jobs are passed though. You are a hot candidate for a relatively short window and once your window is gone it can be gone for good. I always cite Ray Horton for this. He was a really hot HC candidate for two cycles - think it was 2012 and 2013 - he is now coaching in the USFL. Teryl Austin was another - he had three years in the mid-2010s of multiple interviews. He is still in the league as the Steelers DC they finished 6th best this year in points against, but there were zero interviews coming out of it. His moment has passed. Kellen Moore might be going the same way. Had a couple of hot years when he first became OC in Dallas where he had multiple HC interviews. Other than a courtesy interview as a man on staff in LA he didn't have a sniff this year. 

The offense got worse over the season, though. In their final five games, they didn't get to 300 yards even once. And they had 10 turnovers in those five games. 

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30 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The offense got worse over the season, though. In their final five games, they didn't get to 300 yards even once and averaged 12.5 points per game in that stretch (with 18 being their highest total). And they had 10 turnovers in those five games. They didn't get to 30 points once all season.

They scored 30 points 3 times last season. 
 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/wsh/washington-commanders

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13 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

What is his appeal? He left KC and they still won. He went to Washington and they didn't win. What does he have to hang his hat on? That he coached maybe the best young QB in history? Not a tough job. Clearly they didn't need him and neither did Washington 

 

KC’s offense looked much worse this season and KC fans were clamoring for Bienemy back until literally about 2 or 3 weeks ago.

 

They still won because of their defense. 

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13 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

This is a VERY interesting situation that has developed. Eric Bienemy has problems and can't seem to find a head coaching gig and now gets replaced as OC in Washington. Wow!

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39461124/washington-commanders-hiring-kilff-kingsbury-offensive-coordinator

 

https://fansided.com/posts/eric-bieniemy-missed-opportunity-commanders-chiefs-right

What makes this interesting?

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea, it is. But the two jobs it looks like was offered was Carolina in 2023 and Washington in 2024. They are both bad jobs IMO. He probably has to make the jump next year though, or else teams will just stop calling. 

 

I agree but Eric Bienemy would kill for both of those jobs. And turning around a bad team is the instant COTY material. 

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If Belichick, Carroll and Vrabel can't get jobs why should Bienemy?

 

This round of hirings shows that owners are not willing to blow up their organization for just anyone not named Harbaugh.

 

Bienemy will have to tutor a young quarterback to somewhere between competence and greatness for a return to relevance.

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1 hour ago, FireChans said:

That’s why what Ben Johnson is doing is super risky imo. 

 

If Ben Johnson has another top 10 offense this season, he will have his pick of pretty much any job that becomes available. That would prove that he can sustainably generate top 10 offenses over several years and different players.

 

The problem this year was the two teams that really pushed for him are terrible franchises. Not just a bad roster, but terrible owners or a brand new owner that is learning on the job. With the leverage he has, I wouldn’t have taken either of the jobs either.

 

I think he made a smart choice. Most people only get one chance at a HC job. You have to make the right choice because he may be only your chance ever.

 

I get your point about turning around a bad franchise, but its tough to overcome bad ownership.

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