stevestojan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 4 hours ago, Brand J said: I felt that Brandon Beane coming out and saying “Diggs is a number one receiver,” in his season ending presser was curious. He no doubt hears the chatter and I believe knows he’s gotta get a guy who strikes fear in the opponent. Diggs is great, but I don’t think any of these teams fear him. Even the Chiefs were puffing out their chest saying “he knew what was up” when Sneed locked him up. We’ll have to hit on a guy, a future number one who plays like it right out of the gate. When you have a clear WR1, you don’t need to remind people that you have one and who he is. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 24 minutes ago, JMM said: Flowers is a rookie who had an excellent season. He definitely is a #1 WR going forward for them. Yes. Totally true. But his year they don’t have a star WR and might win the SB. They’re winning with defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 27 minutes ago, Low Positive said: Yes. Totally true. But his year they don’t have a star WR and might win the SB. They’re winning with defense. They are top 3 in offense across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 45 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: He still finished 7th in receptions, 13th in yards Yeah, his first half (or thereabouts) was massive numbers. The hope would be that he tailed off due to some injury he was hiding, but I’m not sure I buy it. If he’s playing hurt, why throw him a ton of screens? And what injury causes you to get the drops for the first time in your career? If it wasn’t physical health, I’m wondering if it was mental health, or something else. There has to be a reason his performance dropped off so dramatically - even adjusting for changes in usage under Brady. It’s probably a combination of factors, but I think there’s one main reason that Diggs knows, but we don’t. I’d love to know that reason. And if it’s something that’s likely to carry forward into next year. At Diggs’ age, I’m going to assume that it will carry forward unless I have reason to believe otherwise. And I think that’s where the “not a #1 WR” sentiment is coming from. They’re assuming that 2024 Diggs will be the same guy we saw down the stretch this year. And that guy was not what people think of as “a #1 receiver”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Pretty amazing comment. He says it’s based on film study. The Bills don’t have a number 1 receiver. Comment starts at 2:13 in. But it’s a good listen. Not sure if this link will work. https://go.audacy.com/rzMEawrpGGb It's not an amazing comment. Diggs offers no dynamic traits and is clearly not a #1. 5 hours ago, ToGoGo said: Diggs will decline into the best slot receiver in the league. We just need to take work off his plate and give it to quality receivers. Why would this happen? He's not fast, and Maryland was the last time he was decisive and dynamic with the ball in his hands. Shakir is the future in the slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Next year's receiving corps: Rookie 1st-round pick Diggs Shakir Rookie 4th-round pick Shorter Hamler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: He still finished 7th in receptions, 13th in yards That's fine, but the post to which I was responding said his stats fell off when Brady took over from Dorsey. My point is - his receptions and yards fell off about a month before Dorsey was "relieved of his duties" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Im not buying it. Dude had a poor 1/2 season. He will be back in form. agreed. Clear to anyone too he had a bunch of health things going on, which he was gutting out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It's not an amazing comment. Diggs offers no dynamic traits and is clearly not a #1. Why would this happen? He's not fast, and Maryland was the last time he was decisive and dynamic with the ball in his hands. Shakir is the future in the slot. This is actually baloney. Diggs was the #1 receiver in the league in receptions and yards in 2020. About 1/3 of those yards were YAC. He didn't do that because he "offers no dynamic traits". He had an amazing release off the line and his route running was *chef's kiss*. He could juke a CB out of his cleats, his jock, and next weeks' travel money. Dion Dawkins didn't praise him "I had no idea someone could be that good at the sport of football" during an off-season get together because he wasn't dynamic. I don't know what's gone on with Diggs the last 2 seasons, whether it's injuries or age or the lack of quality depth in the receiving corps, but let's lay off the tale that he hasn't been "decisive and dynamic" since Maryland. That said...the guy in the slot takes a helluva beating, play after play. It got to Beasley about age 32. I don't think Diggs would hold up in the slot now. Leave it to Shakir and Kincaid. 3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: agreed. Clear to anyone too he had a bunch of health things going on, which he was gutting out. Hope so Edited January 27 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 hours ago, Jon in Pasadena said: Why? Is he going to give his hands a stern talking to? Because drops have not been a long term issue for him. He is more likely to go back to his norm which is a reliable catcher of the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Low Positive said: Yes. Totally true. But his year they don’t have a star WR and might win the SB. They’re winning with defense. We’ll see if that defense matters on Sunday. Maybe it will. Maybe it won’t. Chiefs also had an elite defense and we tore it up. Their best defense was Bills self-sabotage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Because drops have not been a long term issue for him. He is more likely to go back to his norm which is a reliable catcher of the football. The tendency is to think that speed and quickness are the first things to go.........hence "lost a step"..........but hand-eye coordination is often the first sign of the end for great receivers. That's how it went for James Lofton. He could still get open and over the top of defenses right until the end. He just started dropping passes left and right late in the 1992 season.....leading to his release from the Bills........and the drops continued as he quickly circled the drain in 1993. More recently, TO was still a freak athlete long after he was a star WR. He could still run at the end but his hands had gotten comically bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, Gugny said: Wasn’t Diggs leading the league in receptions up until Dorsey got canned? I’m not bringing this up to bash Brady (I like wins); only making a point that Diggs was every bit of a #1 until the change was made. For a second straight year his production collapsed in the second half of the season. He's hit a wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) The moment this happened was the moment that Stefon Diggs lost his "Number 1 WR" status forever. Edited January 27 by Wayne Arnold 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 The difficulty with basing the WR # 1 on performance is that if you don't have a WR # 2 you don't have a # 1 Wr. Why? The #1 gets double covered. How many of you remember the Bills' drought years; I'm thinking of Eric Moulds. A great receiver but he was usually x2 covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 What the hell are we talking about here, we all know the deal: - Diggs is now an elite WR2 at best - Shakir is an elite WR3 with WR2 potential - Most importantly, Beane needs to throw in a future first or second rounder to move up and get an elite burner with great hands and YAC ability If that happens then I am sure we won't be crying after the divisional round next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 The problem is, if Cosell is right, this is not a problem you're likely to fix in one year picking late in the draft and lacking cap room to sign a premium free agent. The Bils can draft a WR in the first round, and I'd be happy if they did, but more receivers need time to develop than come in and set the league on fire in their rookie year, and the later you pick in round one, the lower the odds of the receiver you pick having a rookie season worthy of a #1 receiver. Still, drafting an outside receiver is a priority for this draft. If he is going to be a true #1 receiver at some point, whether or not it is in his rookie season, they need to look for elite physical traits and coachability. Guys like Troy Franklin and Xavier Legette have elite physical traits. The coachability is something that the Bils have to do in depth research on, but they would be the kind of player I think the Bils should look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Trevon is not going to be happy with Cosell. Whether he is a number one or not, we are stuck with him. Perhaps this and the last several games of the season will cause S. Diggs to approach this offseason and next season differently, and we can get a return on the field for our investment in him. If I recall Diggs has the second highest cap hit on the team. I hope he performs like the someone who has the second highest cap hit on the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 You don't need a pure No. 1 if you have an excellent group of pass catchers that keeps the defense from scheming or double-teaming a player to take them away. Compare the Bills to GB. They have 5 WRs and 2 TEs who all catch the ball well, the WRs all have speed and run good routes. How does one defend when there are 5 guys in the pattern that can beat you and take the ball to the house? You don't, you can only hope to slow them down and hope they make a mistake. GB's top 4 receivers, all drafted in the last 2 drafts account for 2500 yards and 25 TDs. This is what Brady did at LSU and what he should do here. When opponents looked at the Bills they focused on Diggs. Diggs helped them out by dropping passes (he has now done that in the last 2 years). They ignored Davis, Sherfield, and Harty. Davis had a few big games but otherwise faded as the season progressed. As Diggs faded as well, Kincaid and Shakir picked up some of the slack, but not enough in the end. However, draft two capable guys early in the draft and we go from just having 3 targets to 5 and we look much more like GB. Add Cook to the mix and Allen should have a huge year regardless of whether or not the 2 draftees are as impactful as GB's kids. Add guys like Adonai Mitchell and Ladd McConkey and our size, speed, and hands all improve immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 It has been since the first Miami game since he’s taken over a game. I remain steadfast in the belief that he was injured in Jacksonville/London 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Pretty amazing comment. He says it’s based on film study. The Bills don’t have a number 1 receiver. Comment starts at 2:13 in. But it’s a good listen. Not sure if this link will work. https://go.audacy.com/rzMEawrpGGb I'm assuming that what he means by a #1 is what is what is usually called a true #1. There are about 10 of those guys in the league generally. Diggs hasn't consistently performed as a true #1 this year. If by a #1 you mean a guy in the top 32 WRs in the league, he's there. He's among that group. He's been a true #1 for his time in Buffalo. But this year? Fair enough to say not this year, I think. The question is whether it's injury, age, play design, playcalling ...? Can he get it back? My guess is that he can. But the problem has to be diagnosed correctly and fixed. It's definitely not a sure thing that he will. And he doesn't have more than another year or two, maybe three as a guy with that kind of ceiling. Edited January 27 by Thurman#1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 20 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: You don't need a pure No. 1 if you have an excellent group of pass catchers that keeps the defense from scheming or double-teaming a player to take them away. Compare the Bills to GB. They have 5 WRs and 2 TEs who all catch the ball well, the WRs all have speed and run good routes. How does one defend when there are 5 guys in the pattern that can beat you and take the ball to the house? You don't, you can only hope to slow them down and hope they make a mistake. GB's top 4 receivers, all drafted in the last 2 drafts account for 2500 yards and 25 TDs. This is what Brady did at LSU and what he should do here. When opponents looked at the Bills they focused on Diggs. Diggs helped them out by dropping passes (he has now done that in the last 2 years). They ignored Davis, Sherfield, and Harty. Davis had a few big games but otherwise faded as the season progressed. As Diggs faded as well, Kincaid and Shakir picked up some of the slack, but not enough in the end. However, draft two capable guys early in the draft and we go from just having 3 targets to 5 and we look much more like GB. Add Cook to the mix and Allen should have a huge year regardless of whether or not the 2 draftees are as impactful as GB's kids. Add guys like Adonai Mitchell and Ladd McConkey and our size, speed, and hands all improve immediately. That's right. Brady never had a true #1 except maybe a year or so with Moss. And they never won a Super Bowl with Moss on the team. You don't need a true #1. You do need a capable group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 8 hours ago, Low Positive said: The Ravens don't have one either. They are probably going to the SB with no WR having over 1,000 yards. Zay Flowers led the team with 858, but no one else even had 600 yards. Also, Lamar is their leading rusher. Helps when you have a defense as good as any of the last 20 yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 8 hours ago, Unforgiven said: Meanwhile KC has 75 Million plus to play with in free agency. They won't after they re-sign Jones and Sneed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, chongli said: They won't after they re-sign Jones and Sneed: Chiefs are cheap. They don’t pay like Cincy. They will draft 2 CBs and 5 DTs to replace those old ass players. Cheaper too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 9 hours ago, Unforgiven said: Diggs and Von Miller contracts are going to prevent the bills from fixing this team. Both are washed and we are stuck with them. Meanwhile KC has 75 Million plus to play with in free agency. The bills can forget superbowl for years to come. Josh Allen will end like manning not winning til over 30. Talk about billsy. Truth spoken and the truth hurts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Anyone who knows football and isn’t a Bills fan knows that the Bills have put their draft capital on the wrong side of the Ball and not surrounded their best players with enough talent on offense. Sorry but Knox isn’t a weapon, Gabe’s been a guy that shows up best in big moments but he is very replaceable and could easily be a place where the Bills improve dramatically, and they need a younger big body back that can be a receiving threat to compliment Cook. I think about a guy like Mike Evans, who has a tendency to drops, but ultimately can’t be denied because of his ability to get the ball no matter the coverage - and I’m not saying a HOFer is just waiting to be picked in every draft but those skills paired with Allen would be scary for the rest of the NFL. He also blocks. The Bills need to knock it out of the park again this year in the draft. I think last year was a great draft - Kincaid, Torrence and Williams will all likely be quality starters next year, but the drafts the preceding 2-3 years weren’t. They need to pick up more draft picks if they can as they carry the weight of the Miller and Diggs contracts. I get spending the money to take a chance to get over the hump but everyone grimaced at the Miller contract when it was announced and now it’s going to be up to Beane to get his staff to kill it in the draft. There really is no other way to get this team retooled to be the best of the AFC. Honestly, I don’t give a crap about the D bc if it isn’t going to show up when it matters as has been the case every year, then what’s the point of limiting the offensive weapons bc of investments in the D. Maybe take the medicine on some of these contracts so they are off the books ASAP and start looking to reshape with a new core. The team has a lot of money outside Allen in places that don’t warrant the compensation. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 14 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said: I trust Cosell's analysis as he doesn't appear to be emotionally-biased and goes by the tape (tape don't lie) I find the same on Cosell. He’s fair and has balance in his approach to tape. I also agree with his sentiment on Diggs. He was a top #1 in years past, but not now. I have some who have mentioned he played with an ankle problem so maybe with an off season, he may return to a top. WR. With that said, we need to pick up two WR’s in the draft. We don’t have $ for any free agents. I expect we probably will purge Von, and Tre, and although some dead cap, it will still help with the cap. The sad part is we don’t have the space to extend guys like Jones, Floyd, and others. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 WR1, WR2 does it matter really? Eye test and tape say not enough. Best way for WR/QB is draft in Buffalo. No way FA WR comes to Buffalo without a larger premium. They’ve seen the videos of weather. Pickup highest WR Draft possible. Take advantage of unicorn QB now until it’s too late and explosive O, helps D anyway too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) If I’m being perfectly honest I don’t think any free agent WR is going to be worth the contract they are looking for. I also don’t see any of them as guys we need. They are mostly big possession WRs that can’t get separation and drop a lot of passes. Yes, Higgins, Ridley, Pittman, Evans make the incredible play but it comes in tight coverage and after they dropped an easy pass earlier in the game (maybe a little unfair but basically true). Ridley may be the best bargain because unlike the others I do think he can get some separation with his route running but it’s not consistent enough. All this to be said, I wouldn’t invest money in the free agent class. Like Greg Cosell said we need to get our #1 WR first round and then later in the draft get a guy who can stretch the field (I’d also be ok with Hollywood brown if he was cheap but he’s always hurt and I have a feeling will cost too much). Another approach would be to find players on the last year or 2 of their contract that teams are trying to unload cheap. I’ve said it before but Courtland Sutton is developing into a true #1 and I’d be ecstatic if we could get him on the cheap from Denver. But at the end of the day I’d be fine going 3 WRs in this loaded draft class (take a page out of GBs recent book) and fill other needs in free agency so that Josh has guys he can work with for years to come Edited January 27 by NeverOutNick Typo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 10 hours ago, Beck Water said: This is actually baloney. Diggs was the #1 receiver in the league in receptions and yards in 2020. About 1/3 of those yards were YAC. He didn't do that because he "offers no dynamic traits". He had an amazing release off the line and his route running was *chef's kiss*. He could juke a CB out of his cleats, his jock, and next weeks' travel money. Dion Dawkins didn't praise him "I had no idea someone could be that good at the sport of football" during an off-season get together because he wasn't dynamic. I don't know what's gone on with Diggs the last 2 seasons, whether it's injuries or age or the lack of quality depth in the receiving corps, but let's lay off the tale that he hasn't been "decisive and dynamic" since Maryland. That said...the guy in the slot takes a helluva beating, play after play. It got to Beasley about age 32. I don't think Diggs would hold up in the slot now. Leave it to Shakir and Kincaid. Hope so 2020 was a completely different story. Diggs was in his peak prime. Totally different conversation in 2024. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 The Bills don’t have a #1 front office. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2-3 years back, you could make the claim that Diggs was arguably in the Top 5 Receivers in the NFL. Not the best, but in the conversation. No longer. The following are better- much better than Diggs now: Hill, Lamb, St. Brown, Nacua, Jefferson, A Brown, Moore, Collins, Evans, Cooper, Allen, Chase, Adams, Metcalf, DHop, Kittle. He’s in with the Ridley, Godwin, Smith & Pickens- fine WRs, but not in the class of the above! And definitely not in the separation on routes AND contested ball skills- like every other Bills Receiver. Plus, we are now unsure about when he will clang one. The Bills need a #1 who always catches the ball, gets constant separation for Josh and can climb and get contested throws. This applies to #s 2,3 & 4 as well, but let’s start with Diggs or someone better! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I’ll continue to say over and over and over again stay away from Coleman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 breaking news..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: That's right. Brady never had a true #1 except maybe a year or so with Moss. And they never won a Super Bowl with Moss on the team. You don't need a true #1. You do need a capable group. AND an OC that can scheme them open. If only we could interview that OC... 1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: 2-3 years back, you could make the claim that Diggs was arguably in the Top 5 Receivers in the NFL. Not the best, but in the conversation. No longer. The following are better- much better than Diggs now: Hill, Lamb, St. Brown, Nacua, Jefferson, A Brown, Moore, Collins, Evans, Cooper, Allen, Chase, Adams, Metcalf, DHop, Kittle. He’s in with the Ridley, Godwin, Smith & Pickens- fine WRs, but not in the class of the above! And definitely not in the separation on routes AND contested ball skills- like every other Bills Receiver. Plus, we are now unsure about when he will clang one. The Bills need a #1 who always catches the ball, gets constant separation for Josh and can climb and get contested throws. This applies to #s 2,3 & 4 as well, but let’s start with Diggs or someone better! This is spot on. Bills fans have always had a hard time recognising players were on the downside and were let go. Edited January 27 by SoonerBillsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I think we can all agree that our biggest Ks outside of Josh didnt make a positive difference in the biggest game. When Diggs, Oliver, and Miller dont make an impact its not really a mystery as to why they lost. At least Oliver was a big part of how they got in that position. I love Diggs' passion but you got lead by example not flub it at crunch time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 19 hours ago, nedboy7 said: I just dont see how his age can catch up to him in one week. Usually you would see a slow decline. But perhaps he has. We will find out. No way are they trading him. seems he was working through an injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 We may not have a #1, but that is in large part that our #2 takes no load off of our #1 , this is not said to pile on Davis, it’s just that he is in a position that his skill set can’t fill, Davis is better suited to be a 3/4 and was far more useful in that role, jmo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG Murdock Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Doesn't matter what level of player Diggs is in 2024. Like Von Miller, were 100% stuck with them both. Sadly, were at the mercy of how motivated they are to even care. Looking back on 2023, I have serious doubts that they're all-in. Diggs seems more interested in a fashion/modeling career, and Miller a future GM. The checks will be cashed either way. Beane needs to kill the draft. Neither of these guys should be mistaken to have the character of a Kyle Williams/Jim Kelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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