stevestojan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 4 hours ago, Brand J said: I felt that Brandon Beane coming out and saying “Diggs is a number one receiver,” in his season ending presser was curious. He no doubt hears the chatter and I believe knows he’s gotta get a guy who strikes fear in the opponent. Diggs is great, but I don’t think any of these teams fear him. Even the Chiefs were puffing out their chest saying “he knew what was up” when Sneed locked him up. We’ll have to hit on a guy, a future number one who plays like it right out of the gate. When you have a clear WR1, you don’t need to remind people that you have one and who he is. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 24 minutes ago, JMM said: Flowers is a rookie who had an excellent season. He definitely is a #1 WR going forward for them. Yes. Totally true. But his year they don’t have a star WR and might win the SB. They’re winning with defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 27 minutes ago, Low Positive said: Yes. Totally true. But his year they don’t have a star WR and might win the SB. They’re winning with defense. They are top 3 in offense across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 45 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: He still finished 7th in receptions, 13th in yards Yeah, his first half (or thereabouts) was massive numbers. The hope would be that he tailed off due to some injury he was hiding, but I’m not sure I buy it. If he’s playing hurt, why throw him a ton of screens? And what injury causes you to get the drops for the first time in your career? If it wasn’t physical health, I’m wondering if it was mental health, or something else. There has to be a reason his performance dropped off so dramatically - even adjusting for changes in usage under Brady. It’s probably a combination of factors, but I think there’s one main reason that Diggs knows, but we don’t. I’d love to know that reason. And if it’s something that’s likely to carry forward into next year. At Diggs’ age, I’m going to assume that it will carry forward unless I have reason to believe otherwise. And I think that’s where the “not a #1 WR” sentiment is coming from. They’re assuming that 2024 Diggs will be the same guy we saw down the stretch this year. And that guy was not what people think of as “a #1 receiver”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Pretty amazing comment. He says it’s based on film study. The Bills don’t have a number 1 receiver. Comment starts at 2:13 in. But it’s a good listen. Not sure if this link will work. https://go.audacy.com/rzMEawrpGGb It's not an amazing comment. Diggs offers no dynamic traits and is clearly not a #1. 5 hours ago, ToGoGo said: Diggs will decline into the best slot receiver in the league. We just need to take work off his plate and give it to quality receivers. Why would this happen? He's not fast, and Maryland was the last time he was decisive and dynamic with the ball in his hands. Shakir is the future in the slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Next year's receiving corps: Rookie 1st-round pick Diggs Shakir Rookie 4th-round pick Shorter Hamler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: He still finished 7th in receptions, 13th in yards That's fine, but the post to which I was responding said his stats fell off when Brady took over from Dorsey. My point is - his receptions and yards fell off about a month before Dorsey was "relieved of his duties" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Im not buying it. Dude had a poor 1/2 season. He will be back in form. agreed. Clear to anyone too he had a bunch of health things going on, which he was gutting out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It's not an amazing comment. Diggs offers no dynamic traits and is clearly not a #1. Why would this happen? He's not fast, and Maryland was the last time he was decisive and dynamic with the ball in his hands. Shakir is the future in the slot. This is actually baloney. Diggs was the #1 receiver in the league in receptions and yards in 2020. About 1/3 of those yards were YAC. He didn't do that because he "offers no dynamic traits". He had an amazing release off the line and his route running was *chef's kiss*. He could juke a CB out of his cleats, his jock, and next weeks' travel money. Dion Dawkins didn't praise him "I had no idea someone could be that good at the sport of football" during an off-season get together because he wasn't dynamic. I don't know what's gone on with Diggs the last 2 seasons, whether it's injuries or age or the lack of quality depth in the receiving corps, but let's lay off the tale that he hasn't been "decisive and dynamic" since Maryland. That said...the guy in the slot takes a helluva beating, play after play. It got to Beasley about age 32. I don't think Diggs would hold up in the slot now. Leave it to Shakir and Kincaid. 3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: agreed. Clear to anyone too he had a bunch of health things going on, which he was gutting out. Hope so Edited January 27 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 hours ago, Jon in Pasadena said: Why? Is he going to give his hands a stern talking to? Because drops have not been a long term issue for him. He is more likely to go back to his norm which is a reliable catcher of the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Low Positive said: Yes. Totally true. But his year they don’t have a star WR and might win the SB. They’re winning with defense. We’ll see if that defense matters on Sunday. Maybe it will. Maybe it won’t. Chiefs also had an elite defense and we tore it up. Their best defense was Bills self-sabotage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Because drops have not been a long term issue for him. He is more likely to go back to his norm which is a reliable catcher of the football. The tendency is to think that speed and quickness are the first things to go.........hence "lost a step"..........but hand-eye coordination is often the first sign of the end for great receivers. That's how it went for James Lofton. He could still get open and over the top of defenses right until the end. He just started dropping passes left and right late in the 1992 season.....leading to his release from the Bills........and the drops continued as he quickly circled the drain in 1993. More recently, TO was still a freak athlete long after he was a star WR. He could still run at the end but his hands had gotten comically bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, Gugny said: Wasn’t Diggs leading the league in receptions up until Dorsey got canned? I’m not bringing this up to bash Brady (I like wins); only making a point that Diggs was every bit of a #1 until the change was made. For a second straight year his production collapsed in the second half of the season. He's hit a wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) The moment this happened was the moment that Stefon Diggs lost his "Number 1 WR" status forever. Edited January 27 by Wayne Arnold 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 The difficulty with basing the WR # 1 on performance is that if you don't have a WR # 2 you don't have a # 1 Wr. Why? The #1 gets double covered. How many of you remember the Bills' drought years; I'm thinking of Eric Moulds. A great receiver but he was usually x2 covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 What the hell are we talking about here, we all know the deal: - Diggs is now an elite WR2 at best - Shakir is an elite WR3 with WR2 potential - Most importantly, Beane needs to throw in a future first or second rounder to move up and get an elite burner with great hands and YAC ability If that happens then I am sure we won't be crying after the divisional round next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 The problem is, if Cosell is right, this is not a problem you're likely to fix in one year picking late in the draft and lacking cap room to sign a premium free agent. The Bils can draft a WR in the first round, and I'd be happy if they did, but more receivers need time to develop than come in and set the league on fire in their rookie year, and the later you pick in round one, the lower the odds of the receiver you pick having a rookie season worthy of a #1 receiver. Still, drafting an outside receiver is a priority for this draft. If he is going to be a true #1 receiver at some point, whether or not it is in his rookie season, they need to look for elite physical traits and coachability. Guys like Troy Franklin and Xavier Legette have elite physical traits. The coachability is something that the Bils have to do in depth research on, but they would be the kind of player I think the Bils should look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Trevon is not going to be happy with Cosell. Whether he is a number one or not, we are stuck with him. Perhaps this and the last several games of the season will cause S. Diggs to approach this offseason and next season differently, and we can get a return on the field for our investment in him. If I recall Diggs has the second highest cap hit on the team. I hope he performs like the someone who has the second highest cap hit on the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 You don't need a pure No. 1 if you have an excellent group of pass catchers that keeps the defense from scheming or double-teaming a player to take them away. Compare the Bills to GB. They have 5 WRs and 2 TEs who all catch the ball well, the WRs all have speed and run good routes. How does one defend when there are 5 guys in the pattern that can beat you and take the ball to the house? You don't, you can only hope to slow them down and hope they make a mistake. GB's top 4 receivers, all drafted in the last 2 drafts account for 2500 yards and 25 TDs. This is what Brady did at LSU and what he should do here. When opponents looked at the Bills they focused on Diggs. Diggs helped them out by dropping passes (he has now done that in the last 2 years). They ignored Davis, Sherfield, and Harty. Davis had a few big games but otherwise faded as the season progressed. As Diggs faded as well, Kincaid and Shakir picked up some of the slack, but not enough in the end. However, draft two capable guys early in the draft and we go from just having 3 targets to 5 and we look much more like GB. Add Cook to the mix and Allen should have a huge year regardless of whether or not the 2 draftees are as impactful as GB's kids. Add guys like Adonai Mitchell and Ladd McConkey and our size, speed, and hands all improve immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 It has been since the first Miami game since he’s taken over a game. I remain steadfast in the belief that he was injured in Jacksonville/London 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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