SinceThe70s Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, GunnerBill said: Yes I think he has lost confidence in his ability to find the right play. And I think both he and Josh have lost some confidence in the other offensive pieces. Well if you're right that he has lost confidence in his ability to find the right play - then Ken and I share the same lack of confidence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 He's getting worse. Or at least, he's not improving. Opposing teams know what the Bills are going to do and Dorsey ends up doing it. *****, we all know what play Dorsey is calling on 2nd and 7. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm afraid so. Perhaps it will screech itself out of rotation and a more constructive and interesting one will take its place. 🤞 Or maybe it will get folded into the already existing Fire Ken Dorsey thread and somebody will take a minute and try to start a better one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: Guy can’t call a decent offense. We saw it all game that running the ball from under center was working. Why abandon that so quickly. Heck, Daboll seemed to run the same play 5 times in a row in the second drive of the second half. If it works, keep using it. Josh in the gun on then 1 inch line is inexcusable. Ken can’t adjust and has been a bad OC since the second half of the GB game last year. He needs to go ASAP Official? Like zebra officials who make frequent mistakes and do not treat all teams fairly. You are qualified to be a chief official, maybe even a right hand pawn of Roger Goodell. I hope you are happy with your Don Quixote quest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Yup. I am on board. Dorsey is terrible. There is just something not right with his offense. I don't care what the stats say about #2 offense last year and Josh completion percent or whatever other stupid stat someone wants to pull up... Dorsey is not good. He has no idea how to make use of the guys we have. He makes a couple cool plays per game but that's about it. The shotgun with the back behind the QB on the goal line is what sealed it for me. I don't care that he had a good play after that. That play alone is just braindead stupid enough that he should be fired for. Totally agree. To dog hump on the misuse of players, Knox and Kinkaid have been almost invisible this year (yes i know Kinkaid was out tonight) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 We get the ball and need 1 first down. We have the best roll out QB in the nfl. We set up a total hs we are running in first and down. The call is JA under center roll out play action on first down!! Not 3rd and 8.. yikes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockeye Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Where do we sign up??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Einstein said: I simply never want to see a handoff from shotgun ever again. Not because it can’t work sometimes. but because I don’t trust Dorsey to know when NOT to run it. Like at the freaking goal line. If Allen isn't a threat to run it's just a regular old draw play and it's a lot easier to defend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I’m on board with moving on……took him a whole 2.5 quarters and 0 points before he finally decided to commit to the run which resulted in 14 4th quarter points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, CLTbills said: I roll my eyes at literally every single "fire the coordinator" or "fire the coach" post on here, or call on WGR. But I'm on board. This was horrific. His obsession with running the ball is maddening. The worst was a run play, from the shotgun, from INSIDE THE ONE YARD LINE. Handed the ball off at the 6. When you have a cheat code at QB that scores on literally 100% of those plays. Maybe if the Giants lose enough games, we can get Daboll back. Dorsey just has NO imagination. You want Daboll to come back who hasn't scored a TD in 4 games and is 1-5 in his 2nd year? Edited October 16, 2023 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Simon said: Or maybe it will get folded into the already existing Fire Ken Dorsey thread and somebody will take a minute and try to start a better one? This is certainly not better without Official Official blessing! ( that word always sounds like waste to me ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 This is familiar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Right now the offense is making everyday plays look difficult. Teams with much less talent are making plays routinely that the bills are struggling with. Then Josh is doing heroic things to make them work. Its great we have Josh to do that but we shouldn't need heroic actions to complete routine plays. 3 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, CLTbills said: I didn't go to stats until you said that we "didn't run the ball". I watched every play. Burning 10 minutes on a 17 play drive with 11 or 12 runs when you're running out of possessions and time, and playing from behind isn't gonna get it. That's the reason we were behind lol. Dorsey's stubborn inability to consistently attack the opponents biggest vulnerability is why we we were in the situation we found ourselves. The Giants were 30th in the NFL against the rush and playing with half a deck on offense, missing their starting qb and 4/5 of their offensive line. To have 3 rush attempts with 5 minutes to go in the 1st half is not only unforgivable, it's unfathomable 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I bet at half McD told him to run the ***** ball. Lol! Brutal he couldn’t figure it out himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROC INTEL Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I’ve watched the Bills my whole life. The offensive play calling is some of the worst i’ve ever seen. Add me to the list. It’s unbearable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 It’s billboard time. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Well if you're right that he has lost confidence in his ability to find the right play - then Ken and I share the same lack of confidence. I don't think I ever had any confidence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I’ve been saying Dorsey was an issue all last year, off-season and this season. I gave him his credit for the fame plan against Miami, but that D sucks in Mia and it was one game. He’s been awful most the rest of the season. At this point, I don’t think he can figure it out and needs to go. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: I’ve been saying Dorsey was an issue all last year, off-season and this season. I gave him his credit for the fame plan against Miami, but that D sucks in Mia and it was one game. He’s been awful most the rest of the season. At this point, I don’t think he can figure it out and needs to go. Will you admit you miss Daboll now, just for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I’ve been saying Dorsey was an issue all last year, off-season and this season. I gave him his credit for the fame plan against Miami, but that D sucks in Mia and it was one game. He’s been awful most the rest of the season. At this point, I don’t think he can figure it out and needs to go. Last year he sucked, but in the back of your mind you could hope it was just inexperience. I have always thought that hiring was a bad decision but I gave him a rookie year and offseason to see what would happen. So far there's been nothing this year that makes me think he has taken his play calling to another level 1 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I think it's will be a tragedy if they wait until the end of the season to fire him. Let's see what Brady or Shula can do with this offense before we completely abandon it and make everyone learn new plays. I think the problem is the PLAY CALLING and Knowing what and when to call certain things and not the PLAYS themselves 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 🔥 Ken Dorsey? Not yet, but almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I’ve been saying Dorsey was an issue all last year, off-season and this season. I gave him his credit for the fame plan against Miami, but that D sucks in Mia and it was one game. He’s been awful most the rest of the season. At this point, I don’t think he can figure it out and needs to go. Yeah, I ignored history and gave Dorsey credit after the thrashing of Miami as well. I was fooled. The Dolphins defense is trash and made Bryce Young look like a veteran qb today. That was eye opening 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Dorsey's in over his head. The problem is that we have a head coach that's so patient that he'll give him five seasons to figure it out, in the name of culture and loyalty. We'll see where this goes. No one should hold their breath that Dorsey's going anywhere. That's a McD issue. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Are we really proposing firing the offensive coordinator mid-season at 4-2 with a top offense? You think throwing a brand new guy in there mid-season will go smoothly? man… Welcome to the message board! Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, loyal2dagame said: 🔥 Ken Dorsey? Not yet, but almost. No, now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 29 minutes ago, Virgil said: It’s one thing to suck. It’s another to suck so badly you make other units worse. The time of possession difference over the past two games is incredibly concerning. It’s almost 2-1. The offense is so bad right now that the defense is gassed by the end of the game and can’t slow anyone down. It’s what cost us the Jags game and almost cost us the Giants game. Gotta disagree with this. The Giants longest drive happened directly after our offense's 17 play 10 minute drive. Was the defense gassed from sitting on the bench for too long ? This isn't the draught era Bills where the Offense played like garbage for the entire game and the defense puts together 3 strong quarters to keep it close for most of the game only to get blown out in the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 that was some of worst play calling I’ve ever seen. I can’t even think about this game any more. We should fire Dawson Knox while we’re at it. He should be benched. Once I saw Josh throw him the ball I screamed NOOOOO NOT KNOX!!!!! Incomplete pass was a given. And DB coaches need to start teaching the art of accidental tripping. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) He doesn’t have much creativity I’ve been wary of canning the guy but Joe Brady is right next to him if something doesn’t change we basically have our version of Matt Canada Edited October 16, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: I think it's will be a tragedy if they wait until the end of the season to fire him. Let's see what Brady or Shula can do with this offense before we completely abandon it and make everyone learn new plays. I think the problem is the PLAY CALLING and Knowing what and when to call certain things and not the PLAYS themselves Then call it a tragedy. There is no chance of him being fired mid season. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 This is time of the year when they figure dorsey out and moving the ball becomes a herculean effort from here on out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Then call it a tragedy. There is no chance of him being fired mid season. This is how you waste a window lmao. It's like a reverse Sean Payton. Dude couldn't get his defense right and wasted a bunch of Prime Brees. We are gonna waste two years with Kenny in the booth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 No sense of rhythm with this guy, terrible play caller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, VaMilBill said: Guy can’t call a decent offense. We saw it all game that running the ball from under center was working. Why abandon that so quickly. Heck, Daboll seemed to run the same play 5 times in a row in the second drive of the second half. If it works, keep using it. Josh in the gun on then 1 inch line is inexcusable. Ken can’t adjust and has been a bad OC since the second half of the GB game last year. He needs to go ASAP No arguments here. He's a deer in the headlights with zero clever concepts. If I see another f-ing shotgun draw that neutralizes Cook's speed, I will personally deliver the pink slip to this 7th round scrub Hurricane qb myself. He can throw his headset at me all he wants. Edited October 16, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, FireChans said: This is how you waste a window lmao. It's like a reverse Sean Payton. Dude couldn't get his defense right and wasted a bunch of Prime Brees. We are gonna waste two years with Kenny in the booth. How many teams have won a SB after firing an OC mid-season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: How many teams have won a SB after firing an OC mid-season ? lets make history baby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, FireChans said: This is how you waste a window lmao. It's like a reverse Sean Payton. Dude couldn't get his defense right and wasted a bunch of Prime Brees. We are gonna waste two years with Kenny in the booth. Looks like it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Welcome to the message board! Enjoy! It’s truly baffling to me…look at what the jets did to Andy Reid and sirianni…if your oline is getting smoked the playbook gets very very small. Edited October 16, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Dorsey calls a good RZ game. Perhaps we should let Allen run the K-Gun and play more uptempo. The slowness between plays is another thing that bugged me. There seemed to be no sense of urgency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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