Dubie54 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 After his 165 yds. on 23 carries against the Titans he now has 445 yds. through 5 games and is averaging 5 yds/carry. On track for a 1,400 yd. season. Interesting that the Titans are no slouch against the run with teams averaging only 94 yds/game. I have to say I'm happy for the kid as it looked like his NFL career wasn't going to match the success he had in Utah. And being a Utah fan I had seen quite a few of his college games and wasn't sure he had the speed for the NFL. He does have a ton of wear on his tires as he set all kinds of HS rushing records in Florida and carried a ton for Utah during his 4 years, so I'm not sure he has that many good years left in the NFL, but we'll have to see how it plays out. We didn't get much for him with Dorsey never figuring out how to use Hines last year and then losing Hines all of this year to the freak accident. We also got the 5th rounder this year which turned into Justin Shorter who's now on IR. The way he has turned his game around, it could have been an interesting tandem with he and Cook this year, especially with our improved O-line. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 His YPC is about the same as it always has been. It's just that the Colts are giving him the ball A LOT. He had 30 carries in a single game in week 3 against Baltimore. He's got 89 carries in 4 games. He is the type of RB that you have to live with the rushes for no gain in order to get production from him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Good. He was misused, underutilized and inexplicably benched during his tenure in Buffalo. The disconnect between Beane and the coaches has been an issue. I hope Moss kicks ass. 5 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Good. He was misused, underutilized and inexplicably benched during his tenure in Buffalo. The disconnect between Beane and the coaches has been an issue. I hope Moss kicks ass. He also sucked 5 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said: He also sucked Sucked based on how many opportunities to actually do something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) Devin Singletary and Zach Moss both always seemed like rhythm/opportunity backs, not timeshare guys. That is, both of them always seemed most effective when they were given a steady dose -- and the lion's share -- of carries. When they could get into rhythm. The more sporadically they touched the ball, the worse they seemed to do. Now obviously in the 2023 NFL, where many teams employ running-back-by-committee, and where pass-first offenses often relegate running backs to single digit carries in a game, this isn't always possible. There are also plenty of running backs for whom this is NOT the case. So...blame whoever you want, but having two guys who do best as bellcows in Moss and Singletary, and then refusing to use EITHER of them as such, seemed to mitigate the effectiveness of both and, thus, to limit the Bills' run game. Happy to see Moss doing well elsewhere, and I hope Motor does, too. Edited October 10, 2023 by Logic 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Sucked based on how many opportunities to actually do something? Same YPC as here. Singletary + Moss equaled 468 yards and 4 touchdowns in first 5 games in 2021. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 It's not very quiet. Most know about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 It was Dorsey that ran him out of town! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Logic said: Devin Singletary and Zach Moss both always seemed like rhythm/opportunity backs, not timeshare guys. That is, both of them always seemed most effective when they were given a steady dose -- and the lion's share -- of carries. When they could get into rhythm. The more sporadically they touched the ball, the worse they seemed to do. Now obviously in the 2023 NFL, where many teams employ running-back-by-committee, and where pass-first offenses often relegate running backs to single digit carries in a game, this isn't always possible. There are also plenty of running backs for whom this is NOT the case. So...blame whoever you want, but having two guys who do best as bellcows in Moss and Singletary, and then refusing to use EITHER of them as such, seemed to mitigate the effectiveness of both and, thus, to limit the Bills' run game. Happy to see Moss doing well elsewhere, and I hope Motor does, too. We were also judging their play based on our 2022 OL which was one of the worst in the league. I always thought both Singletary and Moss were underrated here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Logic said: Devin Singletary and Zach Moss both always seemed like rhythm/opportunity backs, not timeshare guys. That is, both of them always seemed most effective when they were given a steady dose -- and the lion's share -- of carries. When they could get into rhythm. The more sporadically they touched the ball, the worse they seemed to do. Now obviously in the 2023 NFL, where many teams employ running-back-by-committee, and where pass-first offenses often relegate running backs to single digit carries in a game, this isn't always possible. There are also plenty of running backs for whom this is NOT the case. So...blame whoever you want, but having two guys who do best as bellcows in Moss and Singletary, and then refusing to use EITHER of them as such, seemed to mitigate the effectiveness of both and, thus, to limit the Bills' run game. Happy to see Moss doing well elsewhere, and I hope Motor does, too. Singletary had a successful career here. He proved more valuable than Zack Moss and got the majority of the caries because of it. Good for Moss that he is finding success on another team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: Same YPC as here. Singletary + Moss equaled 468 yards and 4 touchdowns in first 5 games in 2021. Singletary was top 5 in the league for YPC while he was a Bill. Similarly to Moss, they didn’t feed him. His YPC were better than Derrick Henry’s. The brain trust landed on giving him 12 carries/game as the master plan. Again, I say - the disconnect between Beane and the coaches is clear. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 So now we want Moss back? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, MJS said: It's not very quiet. Most know about it. Yeah....there is a 7 plus page thread about it and I'm sure this thread will soon be merged into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) You guys do know Moss is headed back to the bench with Taylor coming back? Edited October 10, 2023 by streetkings01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Haven’t watch him play yet but I bet they are using him much different then Dabol and Dosey used him. Good for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I almost adopted his dog when he got traded. My body knows his agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 51 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said: He also sucked You have 3 disagrees, but it’s true. All the Swifites (people crying over what could have been) also hated him here. His vision was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, MJS said: Singletary had a successful career here. He proved more valuable than Zack Moss and got the majority of the caries because of it. Good for Moss that he is finding success on another team. One day people will get it through their head that the ball in a running back’s hands will almost never be a better play than the ball in Josh’s hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 There is nothing special about Zack Moss. He is an average NFL running back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 6th ranked back in fantasy so far this year. Makes me wonder how they will use him and Taylor going forward. Can’t really expect Miss to take an 80/20 split when he’s started off this well. 9 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: There is nothing special about Zack Moss. He is an average NFL running back. The fact that’s he’s producing on the colts goes to show you that any RB can produce given the right situation. Then you have Josh Jacobs who is barely effective this season. Never pay running backs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I am old enough to remember how certain posters here were about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Peter said: I am old enough to remember how certain posters here were about him. Some posters must wish he was still here so they could trade him again… Edited October 10, 2023 by Aussie Joe 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Logic said: Devin Singletary and Zach Moss both always seemed like rhythm/opportunity backs, not timeshare guys. That is, both of them always seemed most effective when they were given a steady dose -- and the lion's share -- of carries. When they could get into rhythm. The more sporadically they touched the ball, the worse they seemed to do. Now obviously in the 2023 NFL, where many teams employ running-back-by-committee, and where pass-first offenses often relegate running backs to single digit carries in a game, this isn't always possible. There are also plenty of running backs for whom this is NOT the case. So...blame whoever you want, but having two guys who do best as bellcows in Moss and Singletary, and then refusing to use EITHER of them as such, seemed to mitigate the effectiveness of both and, thus, to limit the Bills' run game. Happy to see Moss doing well elsewhere, and I hope Motor does, too. Where has Singletary ever done his best as a bellcow?? he has 5 career games over 20 carries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Where has Singletary ever done his best as a bellcow?? he has 5 career games over 20 carries. yea, ultimately both these guys are below average backs but serviceable nfl contributors. It’s like lamenting that fitz or tyrod didn’t get a fair shake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Nice to have an OC that knows how to develop a run game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Nice to have an OC that knows how to develop a run game I know. I wish Daboll developed a run game. 2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: There is nothing special about Zack Moss. He is an average NFL running back. Physically yes is. But he does have very good hands and ball skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Gugny said: Good. He was misused, underutilized and inexplicably benched during his tenure in Buffalo. The disconnect between Beane and the coaches has been an issue. I hope Moss kicks ass. Nothing was inexplicable about it. He was awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Who knows. Maybe his years of world class health care and very few carry’s allowed him to fully recover his body. I wouldn’t be surprised if he hasn’t felt this good in years. Good for him, I truly wish him the best as I do all former Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Moss leads the league in attempts per game. That is quite amazing. Cook is 23rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 53 minutes ago, NewEra said: Nice to have an OC that knows how to develop a run game Only call running plays with a high probability of ending in negative yardage then throw your hands up and say we tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 It's their O-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) And FWIW, here are Moss' and Cooks' numbers thus far this season. Keep in mind that Moss has played in only four games to Cook's five. Moss has 89 carries for 445 Yards, 3 rushing TDs, and 24 1st-Downs, a long run of 56, 5.0 YPC, and 111 YPG, 8 catches for 72 Yards, 1 receiving TD, and 517 YFS Cook has 61 carries for 292 Yards, 1 rushing TD, 14 1st-Downs, a long run of 36, 4.8 YPC, and 58 YPG; 14 catches for 140 and 0 receiving TDs, and 432 YFS. Moss plays with the rookie Richardson on a team that ranked 30th in scoring offense and 27th in yardage offense last season, and is currently 11th in scoring and 12th in yards. He currently ranks 2nd in YPG, first for RBs with more than 38 carries, 2nd in rushing 1st-Downs behind only McCaffrey, 8th in YPC for RBs with more than 38 carries, and 5th in Long Run. Cook plays with Allen on a team that ranked 2nd in both scoring and yardage offense last season and which is currently 3rd in scoring and 4th in yardage O. I have no idea how that doesn't at least to a significant extent relate to coaching. ... on a side note. Edited October 11, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, PBF81 said: And FWIW, here are Moss' and Cooks' numbers thus far this season. Keep in mind that Moss has played in only four games to Cook's five. Moss has 89 carries for 445 Yards, 3 rushing TDs, and 24 1st-Downs, a long run of 56, 5.0 YPC, and 111 YPG, 8 catches for 72 Yards, 1 receiving TD, and 517 YFS Cook has 61 carries for 292 Yards, 1 rushing TD, 14 1st-Downs, a long run of 36, 4.8 YPC, and 58 YPG; 14 catches for 140 and 0 receiving TDs, and 432 YFS. Moss plays with Tannehill on a team that ranked 30th in scoring offense and 27th in yardage offense last season, and is currently 11th in scoring and 12th in yards. He currently ranks 2nd in YPG, first for RBs with more than 38 carries, 2nd in rushing 1st-Downs behind only McCaffrey, 8th in YPC for RBs with more than 38 carries, and 5th in Long Run. Cook plays with Allen on a team that ranked 2nd in both scoring and yardage offense last season and which is currently 3rd in scoring and 4th in yardage O. I have no idea how that doesn't at least to a significant extent relate to coaching. ... on a side note. Say what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 4 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said: He also sucked Like your post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 3rd in the NFL: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 35 minutes ago, Doc said: Say what? LOL, thanks for the catch. Corrected. Even worse tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Do you people really want to hand the ball off to a RB 30 times a game? Cause that’s what the Colts are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 5 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said: He also sucked It's becoming apparent that the issue wasn't with Zack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 What was the point of signing Taylor then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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