NFL Trade Deadline Oct 31 - Rumored List of Players Available

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

I’d give atleast a 1st for Surtain, (I read somewhere they’d consider trading him), and let’s be real, they’re likely going to draft a CB next year anyway, why risk another Elam?

 

Maybe the rest of the league doesn’t know how bad Elam is yet, and Beane can do Elam and a 2nd…

Edited October 26, 2023 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan

[The Wiz]

 

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

With the way the O looked Thursday and Shakir, Davis and Dalton looking better, does it change your mind at all as to the trade deadline and position priority? Or if a trade is really needed?

Edited October 28, 2023 by LyndonvilleBill

[Solomon Grundy]

On 10/26/2023 at 3:19 PM, The Wiz said:

 

 

Let's see if he plays this week. If King Henry/DHop are inactive this week, then there's smoke

Edited October 28, 2023 by Solomon Grundy

[LyndonvilleBill]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Let's see if he plays this week. If King Henry/DHop are inactive this week, then there's smoke

I keep trying to picture him in the backfield,  but I just can't get there.🤷🏻

[Casey D]

On a limited budget, priority for Bills has to be defensive help-- LB, DT or CB.  Running backs and receivers are luxuries they cannot afford right now IMO.

[The Wiz]

35 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Let's see if he plays this week. If King Henry/DHop are inactive this week, then there's smoke

Unless they eat a lot of Henry's contract, it's not happening.

 

DHop on the other hand would fit with the money they have available and can still address other needs.

[T master]

After what we saw last game & what the Bills have in the WR room as far as Isabella, Shorter (on IR) I think there would be other positions that may be more priority than the WR's & RB's those 2 could be fine for this season CB, & LB may be more important at this point & time .

[Mr Info]

1 hour ago, Casey D said:

On a limited budget, priority for Bills has to be defensive help-- LB, DT or CB.  Running backs and receivers are luxuries they cannot afford right now IMO.

I agree with that primary focus but otoh, if something happens to Cook then they are screwed since losing Harris. 

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

After what we saw last game & what the Bills have in the WR room as far as Isabella, Shorter (on IR) I think there would be other positions that may be more priority than the WR's & RB's those 2 could be fine for this season CB, & LB may be more important at this point & time .

Going to be interesting to see what if, anything, “one game” before the trade deadline influenced…

 

Offense looked much better in 11 personnel.  
 

Diggs/Gabe/Shakir looked like a legit 3-wide.  
 

Is that the springboard for consistency of was it just one game?  Do we believe Harty/Sherfield is adequate depth should we revert to more 11?

 

Poona Ford had his best game as a Bill.  Looked like he finally had his sea legs under him.  Only one game though.. and prior to that, he was a liability in replacing Jones at 1T. 
 

Jackson/Benford look like a slightly above average outside CB duo in our system.   If Elam is traded or so far gone that Norman is active over him.. we have no depth.  

We don’t seem to have a 3 down LB outside of Bernard.  They don’t trust Williams yet.  Dodson is a liability against the pass.  We’ve gone to Dime in passing downs.  Is that sustainable?  Do we need a true 3 down LB? 
 

 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Going to be interesting to see what if, anything, “one game” before the trade deadline influenced…

 

Offense looked much better in 11 personnel.  
 

Diggs/Gabe/Shakir looked like a legit 3-wide.  
 

Is that the springboard for consistency of was it just one game?  Do we believe Harty/Sherfield is adequate depth should we revert to more 11?

 

Poona Ford had his best game as a Bill.  Looked like he finally had his sea legs under him.  Only one game though.. and prior to that, he was a liability in replacing Jones at 1T. 
 

Jackson/Benford look like a slightly above average outside CB duo in our system.   If Elam is traded or so far gone that Norman is active over him.. we have no depth.  

We don’t seem to have a 3 down LB outside of Bernard.  They don’t trust Williams yet.  Dodson is a liability against the pass.  We’ve gone to Dime in passing downs.  Is that sustainable?  Do we need a true 3 down LB? 
 

 

Henry would be nice, but expensive. He's a bit of a luxury, though I'd love to have him.

I think they should prioritize 1DT and LB. Don't know what is out there.

[LyndonvilleBill]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Going to be interesting to see what if, anything, “one game” before the trade deadline influenced…

 

Offense looked much better in 11 personnel.  
 

Diggs/Gabe/Shakir looked like a legit 3-wide.  
 

Is that the springboard for consistency of was it just one game?  Do we believe Harty/Sherfield is adequate depth should we revert to more 11?

 

Poona Ford had his best game as a Bill.  Looked like he finally had his sea legs under him.  Only one game though.. and prior to that, he was a liability in replacing Jones at 1T. 
 

Jackson/Benford look like a slightly above average outside CB duo in our system.   If Elam is traded or so far gone that Norman is active over him.. we have no depth.  

We don’t seem to have a 3 down LB outside of Bernard.  They don’t trust Williams yet.  Dodson is a liability against the pass.  We’ve gone to Dime in passing downs.  Is that sustainable?  Do we need a true 3 down LB? 
 

 

Still have Isabella on the bench. Also Ankou back. So we have a couple to pull for wr and dt.

 

Personally, being a Williams fan, I think he needs to get snaps. Not going to improve much without experience. Also have Klein and Matakevich if push comes to shove. Or stick with Dime if needed. Could be a lot worse. 

 

I'm disappointed on the Elam side. I was very hopeful,  but, if he can't get on the field, I understand moving on (very unfortunate). So I put CB as a priority at this point.

 

Not to jinx anything, but Edge and Saftey are also on my mind to look into.🤫

 

[BADOLBILZ]

On 10/26/2023 at 3:19 PM, The Wiz said:

 

 

 

 

I believe it.

 

As I've said in other places,  the defense is compromised in several areas and even if they swung trades for several players the chance that they all fit in and played well is not good.

 

The offensive side of the ball is not far from being at a point where they could consistently put up 35 points per game.     One player.   Personally,  I think that player is a high quality playmaking WR1B or WR2.  

 

But I can see them thinking they can put Henry in the backfield and not have to substitute for long stretches.........play up tempo 11 personnel and spread the field and get the ball out quick to achieve success thru the air(as versus Tampa)........and blast light boxes with the 250# Henry and be more successful in short yardage and goal line runs.   And the latter is important with Harris gone and Murray looking like he's hit a wall in recent weeks.

 

It makes sense on paper but executing without making yourself vulnerable to TFL's running Henry out of shotgun requires more unpredictability than we have been seeing to avoid TFL's thru run blitz.........and the whole thing also assumes that Bills receivers will consistently execute in the pass game like they did Monday(which is doubtful, IMO).   I will say that Henry is no worse running out of shotgun than James Cook........Henry still gets to top speed pretty quick.

[John from Riverside]

Well, it’s not like Henry is not a good player

 

I just questioning the dynamic because we throw the ball so much

[Brand J]

Keep your eye on which players are inactive this week…

[CNYfan]

I see Harrison Phillips as being most likely.  The Bills are bleeding at 1T, although Thursday was better, and this FO has familiarity with HP.   

Right now, for me, this is the most likely scenario.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

34 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Well, it’s not like Henry is not a good player

 

I just questioning the dynamic because we throw the ball so much

I think we’re having a big issue where when cook is on the field the pass blocking takes a huge hit.  I’m pretty sure some of this shotgun draw business is to catch the defense off guard that dials up a delayed blitz to confuse cook in his pass blocking assignments.  And it’s not like you can trot cook out there for running plays and Murray for passing plays because then you’re pretty much telegraphing what you’re trying to do presnap 

 

 Singletary was actually a pretty competent pass blocker but not that explosive in the running game.  Derrick Henry is near top in the league in both so that would be a pretty big upgrade if he’s still got juice. 

derrick Henry also can’t truck josh Norman if he’s on our team 😂

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

19 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Keep your eye on which players are inactive this week…

Like this?: 🔽

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

With the way the O looked Thursday and Shakir, Davis and Dalton looking better, does it change your mind at all as to the trade deadline and position priority?

 

No. The Bucs are a poorly coached team playing on a short week and seemed totally unprepared. They had crazy off coverage alignments and never adjusted, which allowed us to funnel the ball to Davis in a way that we normally can't. To his credit he was able to make a couple plays after the catch, but we have seen him have these sudden high production games in the past before falling back into 2 catches on 5 targets for 27 yards the following week. Don't be a prisoner of the moment. A WR that can play outside is still a big need.

 

To me, of the realistic available targets, Hopkins makes way more sense than anyone else. Right now in obvious man situations we are always throwing the ball to Diggs. That's obviously the right read 100% of the time given our current personnel, but Diggs is not a contested catch specialist and is not all that great at dealing with physical coverage, so if he doesn't outright win the route the ball likely falls to the turf. One of our drives against the Bucs in the 2nd half stalled out for exactly that reason, and it was at a time when we desperately needed to get out of our offensive rut.

 

So now add Hopkins into the mix. Suddenly defenses have to be very concerned about those jump balls/contested catches and Allen can just kind of chuck it up to him, instead of always relying on Diggs to win his route. That hopefully will pull defenses out of man coverage more frequently which gets us into favorable zone looks that we can beat with our preferred spread formations. Hopkins also gives us an actual downfield explosive presence that we currently don't have at all.

 

I'm at least intrigued by the idea of Derrick Henry because Murray has not been good the past couple weeks and we currently have no goal-to-go run offense. Henry/Cook would be a great 1-2 punch, arguably the best in the league. But I would prefer to lean into our strength which is obviously passing the ball downfield.

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by HappyDays

[aristocrat]

I think we need a true daquon replacement. Derrick brown would be a dream and also Jonathan Allen in Washington. Our pass rush would be insane. Swing for the fences 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

Henry would be nice, but expensive. He's a bit of a luxury, though I'd love to have him.

I think they should prioritize 1DT and LB. Don't know what is out there.

Thank you....has anyone noticed the incredible drop off in pressure up the middle since DQ got hurt.  Ed is literally all by himself.  Phillips, Settle & Ford combined aren't even worth a 6pk of Genesee. 

 

DT is the #1  priority followed closely by LB, CB.  We don't even have a good enough run blocking OL to justify Henry?  

[Einstein's Dog]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

No. The Bucs are a poorly coached team playing on a short week and seemed totally unprepared. They had crazy off coverage alignments and never adjusted, which allowed us to funnel the ball to Davis in a way that we normally can't. To his credit he was able to make a couple plays after the catch, but we have seen him have these sudden high production games before falling back into 2 catches on 5 targets for 27 yards. Don't be a prisoner of the moment. A WR that can play outside is still a big need.

 

To me, of the realistic available targets, Hopkins makes way more sense than anyone else. Right now in obvious man situations we are always throwing the ball to Diggs. That's obviously the right read 100% of the time given our current personnel, but Diggs is not a contested catch specialist and is not all that great at dealing with physical coverage, so if he doesn't outright win the route the ball likely falls to the turf. So now add Hopkins into the mix. Suddenly defenses have to be very concerned about those jump balls/contested catches and Allen can just kind of chuck it up to him, instead of always relying on Diggs to win his route. That hopefully will pull defenses out of man coverage more frequently which gets us into favorable zone looks that we can beat with our preferred spread formations. Hopkins also gives us an actual downfield explosive presence that we currently don't have at all.

 

I'm at least intrigued by the idea of Derrick Henry because Murray has not been good the past couple weeks and we currently have no goal to go run offense. Henry/Cook would be a great 1-2 punch, arguably the best in the league. But I would prefer to lean into our strength which is obviously passing the ball downfield.

I'm with you, hope for a move for DHop.  We will never really know how much the recency bias affects the moves (unless we get him) but Gabe had a good game and it doesn't feel on the board as a crisis anymore.

 

Conversely, the poor short yardage problems were more present.  We don't have a practically guaranteed yard from any of our RBs (and not even Josh).  It does make D Henry more attractive but his salary and just one year are not what the Bills usually do.  Maybe AJ Dillon for the budget version.

[34-78-83]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

No. The Bucs are a poorly coached team playing on a short week and seemed totally unprepared. They had crazy off coverage alignments and never adjusted, which allowed us to funnel the ball to Davis in a way that we normally can't. To his credit he was able to make a couple plays after the catch, but we have seen him have these sudden high production games in the past before falling back into 2 catches on 5 targets for 27 yards the following week. Don't be a prisoner of the moment. A WR that can play outside is still a big need.

 

To me, of the realistic available targets, Hopkins makes way more sense than anyone else. Right now in obvious man situations we are always throwing the ball to Diggs. That's obviously the right read 100% of the time given our current personnel, but Diggs is not a contested catch specialist and is not all that great at dealing with physical coverage, so if he doesn't outright win the route the ball likely falls to the turf. One of our drives against the Bucs in the 2nd half stalled out for exactly that reason, and it was at a time when we desperately needed to get out of our offensive rut.

 

So now add Hopkins into the mix. Suddenly defenses have to be very concerned about those jump balls/contested catches and Allen can just kind of chuck it up to him, instead of always relying on Diggs to win his route. That hopefully will pull defenses out of man coverage more frequently which gets us into favorable zone looks that we can beat with our preferred spread formations. Hopkins also gives us an actual downfield explosive presence that we currently don't have at all.

 

I'm at least intrigued by the idea of Derrick Henry because Murray has not been good the past couple weeks and we currently have no goal-to-go run offense. Henry/Cook would be a great 1-2 punch, arguably the best in the league. But I would prefer to lean into our strength which is obviously passing the ball downfield.

 

Hopkins is the only one that makes sense to me as well on the offensive side of the ball. On defense, I could see us acquiring a DT or LB, but IDK... it still seems most likely that we will acquire no one (not saying that would be my choice).

[Pete]

DT, CB, RB this please 

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, 34-78-83 said:

Hopkins is the only one that makes sense to me as well on the offensive side of the ball. On defense, I could see us acquiring a DT or LB, but IDK... it still seems most likely that we will acquire no one (not saying that would be my choice).

 

I just don't see any good trade options to improve our defense all that much. None of the DT ideas I've seen excite me at all. A true #1 caliber CB is unlikely to be traded. WLB is a non-premium position and can be papered over just fine. On defense the realistic path to substantial improvement is Rousseau, Miller, and Oliver recovering from their nagging injuries and becoming the best versions of themselves.

 

On offense on the other hand there is no realistic path to substantial improvement with the current personnel. Nobody is playing injured, we're kind of just stuck with the limitations we have on that side of the ball. Adding Hopkins or Henry creates an immediate and clear path to substantial improvement.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I just don't see any good trade options to improve our defense all that much. None of the DT ideas I've seen excite me at all. A true #1 caliber CB is unlikely to be traded. WLB is a non-premium position and can be papered over just fine. On defense the realistic path to substantial improvement is Rousseau, Miller, and Oliver recovering from their nagging injuries and becoming the best versions of themselves.

 

On offense on the other hand there is no realistic path to substantial improvement with the current personnel. Nobody is playing injured, we're kind of just stuck with the limitations we have on that side of the ball. Adding Hopkins or Henry creates an immediate and clear path to substantial improvement.

I could definitely see Henry…he’s hitting the point in his career where the titans might want to get something for him when he still has value and he could help solidify our offense which is gonna need to carry our defense.  
 

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I just don't see any good trade options to improve our defense all that much. None of the DT ideas I've seen excite me at all. A true #1 caliber CB is unlikely to be traded. WLB is a non-premium position and can be papered over just fine. On defense the realistic path to substantial improvement is Rousseau, Miller, and Oliver recovering from their nagging injuries and becoming the best versions of themselves.

 

On offense on the other hand there is no realistic path to substantial improvement with the current personnel. Nobody is playing injured, we're kind of just stuck with the limitations we have on that side of the ball. Adding Hopkins or Henry creates an immediate and clear path to substantial improvement.

What about someone like Kendall Fuller from the Commanders? Or a Michael Pittman from the Colts? They were looking at possible trades before the draft. Both would be rentals at this point, but could possibly be re-signed.. Don't know what it would take for a trade though.🤔

[HappyDays]

A few nuggets from a Dianna Russini article at The Athletic:

 

https://theathletic.com/5007267/2023/10/28/nfl-week-8-news-trade-deadline?source=user-shared-article

 

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the Buffalo Bills are scanning the cornerback market.

 

 

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Las Vegas Raiders wide receiver Davante Adams and New York Giants running back Saquon Barkley aren’t getting moved by their teams. Both teams have told that to interested parties.

 

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The Broncos are not open to trading cornerback Patrick Surtain II, in fact, one team source described him as “the best and smartest player on the Broncos roster.” Denver is listening to offers on others like receivers Jerry Jeudy and Courtland Sutton and linebacker Josey Jewell, but no offer has come close to motivating GM George Paton to make a move. A general manager who spoke to Denver told me, “The Broncos aren’t selling cheaply.”

 

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DeAndre Hopkins and Derrick Henry look to be staying in Tennessee. Teams have called GM Ran Carthon on a number of players, and I was told Carthon is not moving on any offer unless it’s exceptional.

 

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The Arizona Cardinals want Marquise “Hollywood” Brown to be part of their future despite getting calls from interested teams. I expect him to stay in Arizona.

 

[gjv]

Wish there was a stud DT on that list.

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

A few nuggets from a Dianna Russini article at The Athletic:

 

https://theathletic.com/5007267/2023/10/28/nfl-week-8-news-trade-deadline?source=user-shared-article

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That makes it sound like everyone is weirdly stubborn, like I get Surtain and Hollywood Brown, hell even Devante Adams to a degree though that team isn't even in position to tank properly for a new QB in a rebuild. You have to keep core players particularly if they're young and definitely if they'll help a rookie QB you draft.

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

No. The Bucs are a poorly coached team playing on a short week and seemed totally unprepared. They had crazy off coverage alignments and never adjusted, which allowed us to funnel the ball to Davis in a way that we normally can't. To his credit he was able to make a couple plays after the catch, but we have seen him have these sudden high production games in the past before falling back into 2 catches on 5 targets for 27 yards the following week. Don't be a prisoner of the moment. A WR that can play outside is still a big need.

 

To me, of the realistic available targets, Hopkins makes way more sense than anyone else. Right now in obvious man situations we are always throwing the ball to Diggs. That's obviously the right read 100% of the time given our current personnel, but Diggs is not a contested catch specialist and is not all that great at dealing with physical coverage, so if he doesn't outright win the route the ball likely falls to the turf. One of our drives against the Bucs in the 2nd half stalled out for exactly that reason, and it was at a time when we desperately needed to get out of our offensive rut.

 

So now add Hopkins into the mix. Suddenly defenses have to be very concerned about those jump balls/contested catches and Allen can just kind of chuck it up to him, instead of always relying on Diggs to win his route. That hopefully will pull defenses out of man coverage more frequently which gets us into favorable zone looks that we can beat with our preferred spread formations. Hopkins also gives us an actual downfield explosive presence that we currently don't have at all.

 

I'm at least intrigued by the idea of Derrick Henry because Murray has not been good the past couple weeks and we currently have no goal-to-go run offense. Henry/Cook would be a great 1-2 punch, arguably the best in the league. But I would prefer to lean into our strength which is obviously passing the ball downfield.

 

Great post!

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

I think we need a true daquon replacement. Derrick brown would be a dream and also Jonathan Allen in Washington. Our pass rush would be insane. Swing for the fences 

Just getting a true run stuffing DT would do wonders for the defense. Adding a run stuffing one tech DT won’t replace all that Jones does but it will at least alleviate the run defense that is lost when Jones is out.

[Low Positive]

Reading Twitter. apparently not one single player in the league is being traded. 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Reading Twitter. apparently not one single player in the league is being traded. 

Essentially every GM on a ***** team right now.

 

[billsbackto81]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Thank you....has anyone noticed the incredible drop off in pressure up the middle since DQ got hurt.  Ed is literally all by himself.  Phillips, Settle & Ford combined aren't even worth a 6pk of Genesee. 

 

DT is the #1  priority followed closely by LB, CB.  We don't even have a good enough run blocking OL to justify Henry?  

The turnovers have literally dropped off the earth to ZERO since Jones and Milano got injured. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

17 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

The turnovers have literally dropped off the earth to ZERO since Jones and Milano got injured. 

Almost had 2 int Thursday night if they weren't dropped. Close to a fumble on a botched snap as well.

Edited October 28, 2023 by LyndonvilleBill

[billsbackto81]

7 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Almost had 2 int Thursday night if they weren't dropped. Close to a fumble on a botched snap as well.

"Almost" doesn't show up on the stat sheet. 🤨

[3rdand12]

On 10/10/2023 at 2:08 PM, The Jokeman said:

We have good depth at DE, DT on the other hand is questionable especially for a guy that can tie up blockers and free up LBs to wrap up tackles. Jones is the only one that really does that, Phillips has size but he's also been more of a pass rusher, Settle isn't someone I'd say can constantly demand double teams like Jones can. 

I would be pleased to see Phillips position upgraded. I think he is about done.

Broncos LB might be worth a shot. to stabilize

 a corner , is that a need now with Elam on the outs ? Certainly should be looking for upgrades there regardless

 

a young safety with upside to steal ?

[BillsFanForever19]

11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

No. The Bucs are a poorly coached team playing on a short week and seemed totally unprepared. They had crazy off coverage alignments and never adjusted, which allowed us to funnel the ball to Davis in a way that we normally can't. To his credit he was able to make a couple plays after the catch, but we have seen him have these sudden high production games in the past before falling back into 2 catches on 5 targets for 27 yards the following week. Don't be a prisoner of the moment. A WR that can play outside is still a big need.

 

To me, of the realistic available targets, Hopkins makes way more sense than anyone else. Right now in obvious man situations we are always throwing the ball to Diggs. That's obviously the right read 100% of the time given our current personnel, but Diggs is not a contested catch specialist and is not all that great at dealing with physical coverage, so if he doesn't outright win the route the ball likely falls to the turf. One of our drives against the Bucs in the 2nd half stalled out for exactly that reason, and it was at a time when we desperately needed to get out of our offensive rut.

 

So now add Hopkins into the mix. Suddenly defenses have to be very concerned about those jump balls/contested catches and Allen can just kind of chuck it up to him, instead of always relying on Diggs to win his route. That hopefully will pull defenses out of man coverage more frequently which gets us into favorable zone looks that we can beat with our preferred spread formations. Hopkins also gives us an actual downfield explosive presence that we currently don't have at all.

 

I'm at least intrigued by the idea of Derrick Henry because Murray has not been good the past couple weeks and we currently have no goal-to-go run offense. Henry/Cook would be a great 1-2 punch, arguably the best in the league. But I would prefer to lean into our strength which is obviously passing the ball downfield.

 

 

I'm not opposed to adding Hopkins, especially at the cost of his remaining contract.

 

But this idea that Davis has big production games and then doesn't have big production games is not uncommon amongst #2 WR's. You make it sound as though unless he produces like he did last week every single week, he's a total failure as a #2 WR.

 

He currently sits at 23rd in the league in WR yardage and tied for 4th in the league in TD's by WR's. For a #2 in a league with 32 #1's, that's incredibly good statistics.

Edited October 29, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Thank you....has anyone noticed the incredible drop off in pressure up the middle since DQ got hurt.  Ed is literally all by himself.  Phillips, Settle & Ford combined aren't even worth a 6pk of Genesee. 

 

DT is the #1  priority followed closely by LB, CB.  We don't even have a good enough run blocking OL to justify Henry?  

Settle and Phillips are NOT the long term answer. and maybe not even the short term

Edited October 28, 2023 by 3rdand12